Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: last ditch being used as a first strike -exploit-
OrionSeven
Thu Jun 30, 2005 5:29 am
#66
AngusMacGregor wrote:
Don't bring this crap to the Smuggler forum. We'll do to you what we did to the last guy who tried it... tear you a new one. Seriously.
And we won't be as nice about it as these kind BH's have been.
LOL
I wouldn't test the Smugglers on this one 
RebsBeware
Thu Jun 30, 2005 5:32 am
#67
Its a perfectly legitimate tactic. I'll kill a jedi any way I can. Its because I'm a bounty hunter, and have been since before there were player jedi in the game. Sounds like this bh had a think, and got his result. Just out of interest, it sounds as though the situation was as follows :
You were grinding at the bugged spot on the Ryatt trail, ready to run into the biggest known and used exploit in the entirety of SWGs history, the no LOS area next to the bridge. You probably do this all day, every day. A hunter came along, not too pleased at repeatedly going to kashyyk only to see a jedi lolzoring at him from an invulnerable point, and decided to do something about it.
He got in his so called 'exploit' before you were able to use your very well known one. You died.
Deal with the xp loss, if you dont like it, drop jedi.
OrionSeven
Thu Jun 30, 2005 5:36 am
#68
RebsBeware wrote:
.....Deal with the xp loss, if you dont like it, drop jedi.
QFE
SolarusArc
Thu Jun 30, 2005 5:58 am
#69
You've yet to prove it's an exploit. /lastditch is working as intended. Kudos to the BH for figuring this out. It's very risky and will probably fail more than it will work but it's not an exploit. Running to the LOS area and avoiding an attack, that's an exploit. Using the /duel command to determine who a BH is after, that's an exploit. Using a special like lastditched to take out a mark or an NPC, not an exploit.
Eskie wrote:
JeffIncredible wrote:
LMAO, people hate tactics.
No, but people hate exploiters.
Dlek_Krego
Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:01 am
#70
RebsBeware wrote:Its a perfectly legitimate tactic. I'll kill a jedi any way I can.
In that case, we can say the same about the LOS bug....
Its a perfectly legitimate tactic. I'll stay alive any way I can.
And as for the "Deal with the xp loss, if you dont like it, drop Jedi" crap, it is not the fact that xp is lost, it's that the BH exploited a move as to where we have no chance to defend against the xp loss!!!
Jedi hunting is supposed to hard, and NOT a one-shot activity, if you can't handle that, DROP BH!
SolarusArc
Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:06 am
#71
This move works about 50% of the time in combat, sothe Jedihad a 50/50 chance of surviving it. :chuckles: Guesshe wasn't on the right ends of the odds there. Are you going to tell us next that /snipershot is an exploit too because I've seen some one hit incapps against jedi at the hands of a rifleman using it.Jedi hadhis saber out, sothe jedihad a chance to block it.Jedi missed,BH didn't. Sounds like the jedi got beat by someone who used better tactics and got a little lucky.
Dlek_Krego wrote:
RebsBeware wrote:
Its a perfectly legitimate tactic. I'll kill a jedi any way I can.
In that case, we can say the same about the LOS bug....
Its a perfectly legitimate tactic. I'll stay alive any way I can.
And as for the "Deal with the xp loss, if you dont like it, drop Jedi" crap, it is not the fact that xp is lost, it's that the BH exploited a move as to where we have no chance to defend against the xp loss!!!
Jedi hunting is supposed to hard, and NOT a one-shot activity, if you can't handle that, DROP BH!
Iaxa
Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:10 am
#72
Used this way, I'd have to say, yes, without question it is an exploit!
RebsBeware
Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:13 am
#73
Jedi Knight is supposed to be harder, and not just a semi afk level grinding treadmill. Last ditch is a perfectly legitimate attack, not a bug.Ever think that maybe the guy genuinely had agro from the spiders, and used his LD as just that, a Last Ditch to take his mark before he got dropped? Unlikely, but possible.
Having no line of sight to someone that is stood in the open 3 meters away from me does not seem so explainable. You called the LOS trick for what it is, a bug. Not an attack used cleverly, a bug. And you knowingly use this bug. Thats the definition of an exploit. Hence you should account ban yourself.
I dont need to deal with anything, I kill jedi on the trail nightly. And as mentioned, I've been a bh since pre player jedi. I've spent a long time sat outside houses, bases, and a million other places to get my mark. One shot kills are not to be expected, but if you can get them, why not? Btw, i also solo full temp JK, post CU. I know how hard it can be to kill a jedi, and also how easy if you use your head.
Think yourself lucky perma death isnt still in place.
Eskie
Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:15 am
#74
SolarusArc wrote:
You've yet to prove it's an exploit. /lastditch is working as intended. Kudos to the BH for figuring this out. It's very risky and will probably fail more than it will work but it's not an exploit. Running to the LOS area and avoiding an attack, that's an exploit. Using the /duel command to determine who a BH is after, that's an exploit. Using a special like lastditched to take out a mark or an NPC, not an exploit.
Eskie wrote:
JeffIncredible wrote:
LMAO, people hate tactics.
No, but people hate exploiters.
I already made my point furhter up in this thread - one-shot incaps are not intended post-CU as stated by the devs in the published CU design documents, and LD if used as a first strike by a BH can be a one-hit incap.
Since one-hit incaps are not intended and LD is a one-hit incap as described in this thread, it is a bug.
So by using it, a BH is using a bug to gain an advantage over another player, which is the definition of exploit.
It does not matter if the smuggler has a chance to fail - trying to exploit and failing in the process does not legalize an exploit.
And just to clear things up:
I think LD is working as intended.
I think critters / NPCs damaging players is working as intended.
I think insta-incaps by slapping stormies is working as intended.
The only point I am making is that using LD as a first strike on another player with no TEF on the one using LD is a bug. I am not saying LD needs a nerf, I am saying the combination of attacking A to get low health and using LD on B afterwards needs to be fixed.
This issue is of no concern to pure smugglers as far as I can tell, it is only of concern to BHs who picked up LD and use it as a first strike - BH vs. Jedi is the only scenario in which LD can be used as a first strike.
Message Edited by Eskie on 06-30-2005 03:18 PM
SolarusArc
Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:19 am
#75
Show me in writing on a page endorsed by a Dev from SOE that one shot kills are exploits?
Eskie wrote:
SolarusArc wrote:
I already made my point furhter up in this thread - one-shot incaps are not intended post-CU as stated by the devs in the published CU design documents, and LD if used as a first strike by a BH can be a one-hit incap.
Since one-hit incaps are not intended and LD is a one-hit incap as described in this thread, it is a bug.
So by using it, a BH is using a bug to gain an advantage over another player, which is the definition of exploit.
It does not matter if the smuggler has a chance to fail - trying to exploit and failing in the process does not legalize an exploit.
And just to clear things up:
I think LD is working as intended.
I think critters / NPCs damage players is working as intended.
I think insta-incaps by slapping stormies is working as intended.
The only point I am making is that using LD as a first strike on another player with no TEF on the one using LD is a bug. I am not saying LD needs a nerf, I am saying the combination of attacking A to get low health and using LD on B afterwards needs to be fixed.
This issue is of no concern to pure smugglers as far as I can tell, it is only of concern to BHs who can picked up LD and use it as a first strike - BH vs. Jedi is the only scenario in which LD can be used as a first strike.
I'll give you that pulling out your stormie and slapping him before taking on a jedi is not working as intended but you can't be serious that going after a Jedi on the trails, getting aggroed (which you can never prove was done on purpose, you can get aggroed down there just by looking funny at a spider or Ferrel Wookiee) and using lastditch is an exploit.
Raganius
Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:22 am
#76
Not going to spend 30 minutes wading through all the other posts, so forgive me if this has been said already.
What about the BH's side of this? I have made that trip, it is NOT easy. He may not have intended to do this, he might have been running for his life, gotten free of the mobs, and then instead of sitting around for 10 minutes healing up and whatnot giving the jedi ample time to prepare, he just took him out. It is all about the element of surprise.
And as far as that a$$clown who posted that we wont be happy until we can teleport the jedi and have them at 1 hp when they get there, get a grip dude. 75% of the fun in being a BH is the hunt.
RebsBeware
Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:22 am
#77
Should create a new sticky thread for us BH called : Jedi Whines - post your amusing tales of being beaten by a smarter player here.
Thenwe'd know where to go look when we fancied a laugh, at your expense. Its a game, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. /shrug
Dont see me whining when you're sat in your house, I just wait for my next opportunity.
Eskie
Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:27 am
#78
SolarusArc wrote:
Show me in writing on a page endorsed by a Dev from SOE that one shot kills are exploits?
Eskie wrote:
SolarusArc wrote:
I already made my point furhter up in this thread - one-shot incaps are not intended post-CU as stated by the devs in the published CU design documents, and LD if used as a first strike by a BH can be a one-hit incap.
Since one-hit incaps are not intended and LD is a one-hit incap as described in this thread, it is a bug.
So by using it, a BH is using a bug to gain an advantage over another player, which is the definition of exploit.
It does not matter if the smuggler has a chance to fail - trying to exploit and failing in the process does not legalize an exploit.
And just to clear things up:
I think LD is working as intended.
I think critters / NPCs damage players is working as intended.
I think insta-incaps by slapping stormies is working as intended.
The only point I am making is that using LD as a first strike on another player with no TEF on the one using LD is a bug. I am not saying LD needs a nerf, I am saying the combination of attacking A to get low health and using LD on B afterwards needs to be fixed.
This issue is of no concern to pure smugglers as far as I can tell, it is only of concern to BHs who can picked up LD and use it as a first strike - BH vs. Jedi is the only scenario in which LD can be used as a first strike.
I'll give you that pulling out your stormie and slapping him before taking on a jedi is not working as intended but you can't be serious that going after a Jedi on the trails, getting aggroed (which you can never prove was done on purpose, you can get aggroed down there just by looking funny at a spider or Ferrel Wookiee) and using lastditch is an exploit.
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