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Thread: The Reason Why People Whine About Jedi...
CPA wrote:
TheMadCoder wrote:
CPA wrote:
You know, I really need to drop the Entertainer stuff and go back to combat. My posts are getting increasingly more unlike my normal attitude. To much love in-game I guess. You know what really upsets me about the time-fram?
We live in a galaxy that discovered faster than light travel, but they have not discovered landscaping yet. Why can't I place a house ANYWHERE I want? We sure can here on Earth.
We have zoning laws preventing the placement of buildings, and how those buildings will be zoned - Commercial, residential, and industrial. You can't just drop a Dunkin' Donuts in the middle of a apartment complex - the laws and communities don't allow it.
I'm missing your point. Are you complaing about not placing a house on Endor or something?
My point was that I have my own city and there is area for the footprint, meaning the footprint won't go over another buildings. But the terrain, such as hills and ditches, prevent me from placing the building. Just dumb, like the devs never thought of digging a hole and pouring a concrete foundation to level the base.
Agreed, stupid. Have you tried placing a camp, disbanding it, and immediately placing the structure before the landscape goes back to normal? There's a slight delay.
Wait.... Jedi didn't have togrind out 20k exp/novice box.
rob0t wrote:
CPA wrote:
Jedi have exploited the Respec in order to train a bunch of low level boxes so that they could just respec 12 hours later to the high level boxes in order to circumvent the higher XP requirements. ROFL - check out the Jedi forums for the hilarious respec BH tells. Wow, you suck at this. Respec BH's grinded out another profession and respeced the points to BH. Jedi learned novice boxes (without having to grind for them) and saved them up until they were full temp.
There you go.
rob0t wrote:
Wow, you suck at this. Respec BH's grinded out another profession and respeced the points to BH. Jedi learned novice boxes (without having to grind for them) and saved them up until they were full temp.
Ok, while we are on this one..... I'll refer BACK to my post earlier about gungan head statues.
A person gets to novice Architect in about an hour, then sits by a crafting station for another hour crafting NOTHING but gungan head statues, and within 2 hours, they have MASTER Architech, which is then respec'ed to MASTER BOUNTY HUNTER.... so a level 1 novice artisen went to MASTER BOUNTY HUNTRER in 2 hours! And after ANOTHER hour of crafting more statues, they master architect again, so in 12 hours, a level 1 artisan goes to a DOUBLE ELITE COMBAT MASTERY template.
Was this as intended?
ShaikeRamjet wrote:
Let's see....
First, The Exploits:
Jedi have used an exploit to mess up BH droids by logging off and then back on.
hmm riiight a jedi is allowed to log off and back one whenever they like plus jedi cant use it as exploit cos they dont know if any BH have mission on them ppl do relog every so oftern u know.
Jedi have used exploits to over power their sabers by stack crystals and pearls... not once but twice now.
not an exploit retard a 4th gen LS can stack up to 4 crystals as intended.
Jedi have used an exploit using the /duel command in order to see if a BH has thier mission.
known exploit i put my hand up to that too
Jedi have used the exploit of attacking while cloaked.
know exploit
Jedi have used an exploit that allowed them to take advantage of a broken TEF system allowing them to run inside house while in combat with the BH.
erm /cough the BH TEF system has not been implimented as of yet until next patch/publish so yes we can run into houses if we want right now.
Jedi have used the exploit of using bugged battlefields to avoid combat with BH.
thats news to me mabe a new one.
Jedi have used the exploit of /offerRide and /acceptRide from 32m away in order to escape combat.
again the offeride is not an exploit when the new publish is up then u can call it an exploit if it happens.
Jedi have used an exploit of using 2 attacks simultaneously in order to hit twice in a single action.
hmm i think thats called force speed skill in enhancer branch i dont belive this is an exploit.
Jedi have exploited the Respec in order to train a bunch of low level boxes so that they could just respec 12 hours later to the high level boxes in order to circumvent the higher XP requirements.
respec is not an exploit we was given respec and was allowed to do whatever we wanted with to change skills as intended.
Jedi have used the LOS exploit on the Rryyat Trails in order to avoid combat from BH.
i hold my hands up to that one too.
Jedi have used an exploit allowing them to DB themselves in order to not lose XP from a BH.
never tried that one.
I know there are more... but you get the point. There is plenty of reason for people to complain and "whine" about Jedi. A lot of the exploits affected more than just BH. Jedi are always finding an exploit and some way to get around the few drawbacks that Jedi have.
Second, Inconvenience of Jedi:
Many people feel that Jedi are too great in number.
Many people feel that the Jedi profession has ruined the GCW because of their numbers.
Many people feel that because of their numbers, Jedi are too powerful.
Many people feel that Jedi are an alpha class and do not have a place in a game with 32 other professions unless their power is greatly reduced in order to maintain a balance for ALL professions.
In general, a LOT of people feel that Jedi have ruined this game. There really is just too many of them. A lot of people don't think it's fair that just because they do not want to be a Jedi, they seem to be punished for it. Many Jedi like to try to point the finger and say these people are just jealous of their power when in actuality... that power is grossly overpowered and should be toned down due to the vast number of Jedi. If Jedi were few, then I agree to their need for great power. But when a server of 1500 subscribers has 750 or more Jedi on it... there is a problem.
Message Edited by ShaikeRamjet on 07-23-2005 03:49 PM
Dlek_Krego wrote:
rob0t wrote:
Wow, you suck at this. Respec BH's grinded out another profession and respeced the points to BH. Jedi learned novice boxes (without having to grind for them) and saved them up until they were full temp.
Ok, while we are on this one..... I'll refer BACK to my post earlier about gungan head statues.
A person gets to novice Architect in about an hour, then sits by a crafting station for another hour crafting NOTHING but gungan head statues, and within 2 hours, they have MASTER Architech, which is then respec'ed to MASTER BOUNTY HUNTER.... so a level 1 novice artisen went to MASTER BOUNTY HUNTRER in 2 hours! And after ANOTHER hour of crafting more statues, they master architect again, so in 12 hours, a level 1 artisan goes to a DOUBLE ELITE COMBAT MASTERY template.
Was this as intended?
/respec was/is temporary. Yeah, there are going to be issues in the system. If he grinded to MBH/MR or whatever via the architect game flaw (certainly NOT an exploit) more power to him. It doesn't come down to XP gained or boxes filled, it's the abilities of the player that count. As I said in a previous post, there's currently and actual EXPLOIT that allows Jedi to master professions quicker than most normal professions.
Things get borked. Let it go. If he sucks as a BH, it'll be known when his face hits the dirt.
As opposed to the 200k they would have had to for the first box in either prof. Also, if I'm not mistaken, novice boxes give more respec points than higher ones do.
And yes, if a Jedi gets cought exploiting the LoS bug, he should be dealt with harshly, but BH's who do it do it should be dealt with JUST as harshly, and not use the "But we are Bounty Hunters, we only exploit cuz Jedi made us!" or "We should be able to exploit, because we aren't supoosed to be honorable anyway." exscuses
/agree
Your point (the one in red, right) points out that the Jedi was "grinding on Kashyyk" in response to him saying that BH's use the LoS bug as well. I am saying that "Grinding on Kashyyk" is NOT an exploit.
Regardless of whether it's a quest planet, adventure planet or whatever, just because you don't want them grinding there does not make it an exploit. If so, the same can be said of Dath, Endor, and Yavin4. They are ADVENTURE planets, and should be off limits to ANYONE from grinding on them, and anyone caught doing it should be dealt with for exploiting.
Yes, I know all about the droid issue, but droids not working there seems to be an intended feature, and therefore cannot be tied into your need to rename anything a Jedi does as an exploit.
I think perhaps I may have miscommunicated my point. I wasn't trying to insinuate that grinding on Kash was an exploit. My point was that it wouldn't happen if Kash wasn't so poorly designed (in regards to BH). Also, I was making fun of him for grinding on Kash. IMO, Jedi that grind on Kash have no right to complain about anything. At all. Ever.
About Dath, Endor, and Yavin...they don't have the instance problems of Kash. BH'ing on Kash is difficult because you have to find your mark on 1 of 6 instances. I have no problem finding and tracking a mark on Dath, Endor, or Yavin.
TheMadCoder wrote:
Dlek_Krego wrote:
rob0t wrote:
Wow, you suck at this. Respec BH's grinded out another profession and respeced the points to BH. Jedi learned novice boxes (without having to grind for them) and saved them up until they were full temp.
Ok, while we are on this one..... I'll refer BACK to my post earlier about gungan head statues.
A person gets to novice Architect in about an hour, then sits by a crafting station for another hour crafting NOTHING but gungan head statues, and within 2 hours, they have MASTER Architech, which is then respec'ed to MASTER BOUNTY HUNTER.... so a level 1 novice artisen went to MASTER BOUNTY HUNTRER in 2 hours! And after ANOTHER hour of crafting more statues, they master architect again, so in 12 hours, a level 1 artisan goes to a DOUBLE ELITE COMBAT MASTERY template.
Was this as intended?
/respec was/is temporary. Yeah, there are going to be issues in the system. If he grinded to MBH/MR or whatever via the architect game flaw (certainly NOT an exploit) more power to him. It doesn't come down to XP gained or boxes filled, it's the abilities of the player that count. As I said in a previous post, there's currently and actual EXPLOIT that allows Jedi to master professions quicker than most normal professions.
Things get borked. Let it go. If he sucks as a BH, it'll be known when his face hits the dirt.
where is your great advice of wisdom telling the original poster accusing Jedi of exploiting respec about how respec was/is temporary, and it's not about how a Jedi respec'ed but how he uses the skills?
as for the exploit allowing Jedi currently ot master faster than normal, I would assume this is in regards to the AFK grind on the Ryatt trail?
Dlek_Krego wrote:
rob0t wrote:
Wow, you suck at this. Respec BH's grinded out another profession and respeced the points to BH. Jedi learned novice boxes (without having to grind for them) and saved them up until they were full temp.
Ok, while we are on this one..... I'll refer BACK to my post earlier about gungan head statues.
A person gets to novice Architect in about an hour, then sits by a crafting station for another hour crafting NOTHING but gungan head statues, and within 2 hours, they have MASTER Architech, which is then respec'ed to MASTER BOUNTY HUNTER.... so a level 1 novice artisen went to MASTER BOUNTY HUNTRER in 2 hours! And after ANOTHER hour of crafting more statues, they master architect again, so in 12 hours, a level 1 artisan goes to a DOUBLE ELITE COMBAT MASTERY template.
Was this as intended?
Wasn't aware that that could be done. But, wow. That's shameful.
MadAdder3 wrote:Here's the thing to keep in mind -1. Exploits are done by both sides.2. A minority of Jedi / BH knowingly use these exploits.I really hate that both sides take a massive amount of heat because a few idiots felt like exploiting.
Very tru man... Very true.
But what really bothers me, is that a few Jedi get caught doing an exploit, and it's an automatic "jedi exploit because ALL jedi exploit!" thing, yet when BH's get caught doing it, it's fought toogrinding on Kash, then I would not have had to use the LOS bug." or "He should have just prepared or run when he saw me slap that stormtooper."
Dlek_Krego wrote:
AelricMistrider wrote:
Can't believe you brought up double sliced weapons. That was what..over a year ago? As for your other "issues", BH have to do something to overcome the rampant exploiting by several (not all) of your Jedi brethren. Not saying it's the right thing to do, but when you have Force cloakers, house runners, and ride catchers, you tend to come up with work-arounds to combat this.
And nobody said a BH is supposed to be honorable in what he does.
OMG! Are you serious???? Please tell me that you actually meanwhat you are saying here, cuase it is funny as hell!!!
This thread started pointing a whole list of exploits that Jedi used, and to say that is a reason for hatred... but when it's replied to with an equal list exploits BH's used, THIS is your response????
"We do it because we have to." and "We can exploit because we aren't supposed to be honorable anyway!"
Dude... Thank you for proving my point!!!!
To most of you BH's, you use JUST as many exploits as ANYONE... yet, you love having these little escuses that are supposed to make it acceptible for YOU GUYS and YOU GUYS ALONE to do it.
Yes, Jedi exploiting is bad,, and they should be dealt with for such...but BH's exploiting is EQUALLY AS BAD, and should be dealt with JUST as swiftly.
Where is this list of BH exploits that you are talking about?
ShaikeRamjet wrote:
Dlek_Krego wrote:
AelricMistrider wrote:
Can't believe you brought up double sliced weapons. That was what..over a year ago? As for your other "issues", BH have to do something to overcome the rampant exploiting by several (not all) of your Jedi brethren. Not saying it's the right thing to do, but when you have Force cloakers, house runners, and ride catchers, you tend to come up with work-arounds to combat this.
And nobody said a BH is supposed to be honorable in what he does.
OMG! Are you serious???? Please tell me that you actually meanwhat you are saying here, cuase it is funny as hell!!!
This thread started pointing a whole list of exploits that Jedi used, and to say that is a reason for hatred... but when it's replied to with an equal list exploits BH's used, THIS is your response????
"We do it because we have to." and "We can exploit because we aren't supposed to be honorable anyway!"
Dude... Thank you for proving my point!!!!
To most of you BH's, you use JUST as many exploits as ANYONE... yet, you love having these little escuses that are supposed to make it acceptible for YOU GUYS and YOU GUYS ALONE to do it.
Yes, Jedi exploiting is bad,, and they should be dealt with for such...but BH's exploiting is EQUALLY AS BAD, and should be dealt with JUST as swiftly.
Where is this list of BH exploits that you are talking about?
Some Bounty Hunters have used the same exploits as Jedi. There's not a need to re-list them.
