Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: It's official: Jedi, get off our boards.
ChefRubio wrote:
pussycat wrote:
Ebris wrote:
Arra Sing hunted Jedi's, and she was a bounty hunter.
OK, if you insist -- show me where in a SW movie you saw Aurra Sing take a Jedi mission... I said bounty hunters were never depicted in the movies taking Jedi missions... not everybody buys the EU stuff.
Episode 1 during the pod race. She is there and has lightsabers around her belt.
She has a blink-and-you'll miss it cameo during the race... I don't believe you can state categorically that those were lightsabers... but it doesn't change what I said... bounty hunters were NEVER shown in the movies taking Jedi missions. If it's something that was so irrelevant or obscure to be left out COMPLETELY from the movies it's because it WASN'T IMPORTANT TO THE STAR WARS STORY....
pussycat wrote:
battledroid01 wrote:
pussycat wrote:
battledroid01 wrote:
pussycat wrote:
ChefRubio wrote:
pussycat wrote:
Cerosis wrote:
pussycat wrote:
To say that this is about "Jedi" or about "Bounty Hunters" is a tremendous oversimplification that should be avoided.
I've played as both MBH and full-template Jedi, they are just two of the professions I mastered in the old SWG. I would have loved to play both of them exclusively and solely as PVE prefessions. This is what some of you simply don't get. This is not a flame, BUT, you took the freedom of choice away from us. There was no need for it. There was a substantial number of players who liked to pvp... you could have limited yourselves to those who were ok with it, those who liked to pvp.
By imposing PVP on those who didn't want it, you in the long run led to the current situation, where forced pvp has been absolutely and completely removed from the game. Don't say that it was OK to do because the game mechanics allowed it, that's just an easy cop-out. You knew that some players didn't like it, and yet some of you insisted on imposing pvp onto others against our wishes... some of you even admitted to flat out getting your kicks this way.
See what happens when you don't respect other players' wishes?? It took a while, but player bounties are now being eliminated. Just ask yourselves, why did you all let it get to this point? No other profession in the game was able to impose forced pvp onto another profession... if handled in a more mature way, maybe player bounties would never have involved forced pvp, and would not have needed to be removed.
You did this to yourselves -- you were the ones taking the missions. Nobody FORCED you to take Jedi missions, or to attack everyone whose mission you had.
All Jedi knew going into it that jedi was a PVP profession, and they CHOSE to go jedi, so there was absolutely no forced PvP, it was 100% by choice. If you go jedi, you will PvP at un-predictable times, it's the consequence of the choice EVERY Jedi made when going jedi.
Any Jedi who whined about "Forced" PvP needed to have their jedi killed off and gotten another regular toon to replace them. because they obviously didn't accept the terms of the agreement going into jedi.
Sorry if i sound harsh, but we all got the email, we all read the forums, we ALL knew what would happen if we got vis, and every Jedi CHOSE to become jedi, they could have quit at any time, they could have never gone it in the first place. Don't ever let anybody convince you that it was Forced on them, because it wasn't.
No. We knew that there was a game mechanic through which others could choose to hunt us... BH's were by no means FORCED TO HUNT JEDI, it's a game mechanic that could have been handled differently by the player base, but, as it turns out, it only happened in Test Center Prime -- this was the only server in which BH's had the decency not to hunt Jedi unless the Jedi consented to be hunted.
Just because the game mechanic existed doesn't mean that anybody was FORCED to use it, that anybody HAD to be subjected to FORCED PVP, that people had to disregard the wishes of other players simply because they could get away with it even in cases when it amounted to sanctioned griefing.
Don' ever let anybody convince you that it wasn't forced pvp, because it was...
Sorry but due to the timeline jedi are hunted. Bounty hunters, in a roleplay sense, are a lower class scum motivated by one thing. Money. In most cases if the price is right they will do the job, moral or not.
Bounty hunters were never depicted in the movies as hunting Jedi... never... Obi-Wan said it quite explicitly in Episode IV, "Darth Vader helped the Empire hunt and destroy the Jedi Knights". Bounty hunters were never shown as having anything to do with it.
Jedi were also said to all be wiped out... What do we have now because of the NGE ? 90% are jedi ?...Really star warsy yea......
Plus.. .Jedi were hunted by BHs... Example Grievous wasn't a jedi he killed them for sport, im sure their were more characters to killed jedi
It was said that the Jedi were "all but extint", sure, but it doesn't meant that there couldn't have been a few survivors of Order 66.. Lucas quite wisely left the door open at the end of ROTS, the part with the homing beacon in the Jedi Temple.
Now, you seem to be under the mistaken impression that Grievous was a bounty hunter... he was not. He was a general in the Separatist Army. And the Jedi that he killed were acting officers in the Clone Wars -- Obi-Wan was himself a general. They were military targets, bounty hunting had absolutely nothing to do with it.
I repeat, bounty hunters were NEVER depicted in the movies as hunting Jedi... they were shown hunting and/or trying to kill smugglers, pilots and politicians...
Wrong, All jedi are suppose to be extinct and in exile hiding, Example Yoda.. the jedi we have now are marching in the streets creating turmoil throughout...And also Greivous took up assination missions i.e BH type scenario and killed jedi targets...
The war is by all means suppose to be fought by normals in this timeline not LS jugglers
Message Edited by battledroid01 on 11-06-2005 10:35 PM
Grievous was a general in the Separtist army... he was taking out military targets... whether or not he used a lightsaber was beside the point... General Grievous was not a bounty hunter, he was the leader of an army which opposed the republic... it has NOTHING to do with bounty hunting.
And yet you still skip my word about the normal character being out numbered by jedi, You seen in the OT as me that Normals fought the war not jedi.... They were afraid to show off fearing the empire's power.....Im done argueing with you Msnil's Alt ,You just take your PvE Gameplay and play withyourself okay..... Just ruin everyones profession, Which content we had for 2 Years(player mission)+ And the devs take it away now? im sure its not forced pvp reason if it was it would of been gone a long time ago...
All i ask is let there be an Opt in system to be hunted or not choice...
pussycat wrote:
ChefRubio wrote:
pussycat wrote:
Ebris wrote:
Arra Sing hunted Jedi's, and she was a bounty hunter.
OK, if you insist -- show me where in a SW movie you saw Aurra Sing take a Jedi mission... I said bounty hunters were never depicted in the movies taking Jedi missions... not everybody buys the EU stuff.
Episode 1 during the pod race. She is there and has lightsabers around her belt.
She has a blink-and-you'll miss it cameo during the race... I don't believe you can state categorically that those were lightsabers... but it doesn't change what I said... bounty hunters were NEVER shown in the movies taking Jedi missions. If it's something that was so irrelevant or obscure to be left out COMPLETELY from the movies it's because it WASN'T IMPORTANT TO THE STAR WARS STORY....
lol jedi werent all over in the OT films too... We seen what one light saber weilder? not a army of thousands fighting stormtroopers! .. Wow thats real star warsy everyone in the OT Time setting and not 5 people are Normals!!!..
Dont you think that hurts the star wars story?
Pussycat, please stop. You're whole argument is flawed. WE, BH, did not force PvP on anyone. SOE created a game mechanic in which jedi was a PvP profession. YOU knew you were going to be hunted. To say that WE, BH, forced PvP is just rediculous. You consented when you unlocked your jedi. End of story. No debate.
It's over now. Go back to the Jedi forums.
pussycat wrote:
ChefRubio wrote:
pussycat wrote:
Ebris wrote:
Arra Sing hunted Jedi's, and she was a bounty hunter.
OK, if you insist -- show me where in a SW movie you saw Aurra Sing take a Jedi mission... I said bounty hunters were never depicted in the movies taking Jedi missions... not everybody buys the EU stuff.
Episode 1 during the pod race. She is there and has lightsabers around her belt.
She has a blink-and-you'll miss it cameo during the race... I don't believe you can state categorically that those were lightsabers... but it doesn't change what I said... bounty hunters were NEVER shown in the movies taking Jedi missions. If it's something that was so irrelevant or obscure to be left out COMPLETELY from the movies it's because it WASN'T IMPORTANT TO THE STAR WARS STORY....
They are lightsabers...Find the episode 1 encyclopedia book or whatever its called. I has a picture of the actor in full costume and it points out the lightsabers gained from slain jedi targets, and that she would occasionally use them in combat against jedi.
Plus pussycat, your argument that BH are forcing pvp on jedi is like saying someone performed an armed robbery on a store and saying the cops forced a shootout when firing upon him.
Dallow wrote:Pussycat, please stop. You're whole argument is flawed. WE, BH, did not force PvP on anyone. SOE created a game mechanic in which jedi was a PvP profession. YOU knew you were going to be hunted. To say that WE, BH, forced PvP is just rediculous. You consented when you unlocked your jedi. End of story. No debate.
It's over now. Go back to the Jedi forums.
No, the game mechanics allowed for forced pvp, but nobody in the bounty hunting profession was FORCED to use this mechanism... yet most of you chose to use it in such a way that it meant forced pvp for many other players who couldn't have cared less for pvp.
Jedi was not a "PVP profession", it had a game mechanic attached to it that allowed those int he profession to be subjected to forced pvp.
I've said this a zillion times and I'll say it again... in TC Prime, bounty hunters simply didn't hunt Jedi unless the Jedi consented. As a result, the TC community was a friendly and welcoming environment, without the animosity that plagued live servers... just because the game mechanics allow you to resort to forced pvp doesn't mean that you were FORCED to use that game mechanism.
Now, the choice has been completely removed from bounty hunters...
ChefRubio wrote:
pussycat wrote:
ChefRubio wrote:
pussycat wrote:
Ebris wrote:
Arra Sing hunted Jedi's, and she was a bounty hunter.
OK, if you insist -- show me where in a SW movie you saw Aurra Sing take a Jedi mission... I said bounty hunters were never depicted in the movies taking Jedi missions... not everybody buys the EU stuff.
Episode 1 during the pod race. She is there and has lightsabers around her belt.
She has a blink-and-you'll miss it cameo during the race... I don't believe you can state categorically that those were lightsabers... but it doesn't change what I said... bounty hunters were NEVER shown in the movies taking Jedi missions. If it's something that was so irrelevant or obscure to be left out COMPLETELY from the movies it's because it WASN'T IMPORTANT TO THE STAR WARS STORY....
They are lightsabers...Find the episode 1 encyclopedia book or whatever its called. I has a picture of the actor in full costume and it points out the lightsabers gained from slain jedi targets, and that she would occasionally use them in combat against jedi.
And it was such an obscure little business that not only is it not mentioned in the movies at all, but you actually have to check books to even know what the deal was with Aurra Sing... and again, everything that she might have done is the exclusive domain of the EU... some of us love SW but don't particularly care for most of the EU stuff.
ChefRubio wrote:Plus pussycat, your argument that BH are forcing pvp on jedi is like saying someone performed an armed robbery on a store and saying the cops forced a shootout when firing upon him.
OK, I hope you realize that a comparison between players involved in an MMORPG and real-life law enforcement issues that may involve the loss of human life are completely inappropriate. Have some decency for people who may have lost loved ones in shootouts that were the result of law-enforcement activity.
Jedi missions were forced pvp... it took the choice away from the player as to whether or not to pvp, and if so, under which circumstances.
pussycat wrote:
ChefRubio wrote:
Plus pussycat, your argument that BH are forcing pvp on jedi is like saying someone performed an armed robbery on a store and saying the cops forced a shootout when firing upon him.
OK, I hope you realize that a comparison between players involved in an MMORPG and real-life law enforcement issues that may involve the loss of human life are completely inappropriate. Have some decency for people who may have lost loved ones in shootouts that were the result of law-enforcement activity.
Jedi missions were forced pvp... it took the choice away from the player as to whether or not to pvp, and if so, under which circumstances.
Ive had apolice officer friend who was killed while on duty and my restaraunt I work in was just robbedThursday nightby two armed men while I was there. One employee walked out with 2 broken ribs and a torn chest muscle. Dont talk to me like I've never faced danger or known anyone who has died like that.
Message Edited by ChefRubio on 11-07-2005 12:00 AM
ChefRubio wrote:
pussycat wrote:
ChefRubio wrote:
Plus pussycat, your argument that BH are forcing pvp on jedi is like saying someone performed an armed robbery on a store and saying the cops forced a shootout when firing upon him.
OK, I hope you realize that a comparison between players involved in an MMORPG and real-life law enforcement issues that may involve the loss of human life are completely inappropriate. Have some decency for people who may have lost loved ones in shootouts that were the result of law-enforcement activity.
Jedi missions were forced pvp... it took the choice away from the player as to whether or not to pvp, and if so, under which circumstances.
Ive had a police officer friend who was killed while on duty and my restaraunt I work in was just robbed Thursday night by two armed men while I was there. One employee walked out with 2 broken ribs and a torn chest muscle. Dont talk to me like I've never faced danger or known anyone who has died like that.Message Edited by ChefRubio on 11-07-2005 12:00 AM
I told you the analogy was inappropriate. Very sorry to hear about your friend, my deepest condolences.
The analogy was to show crime and punishment. In the game jedi are wanted criminals. The galaxy is too expansive to police, so bounty hunters are hired to take down the more wanted criminals. Being a Jedi means being hunted and therefore consenting pvp. Criminals cant just say no no no dont take me in or shoot at me I dont want to fight and I want to just be allowed to keep commiting crimes! You took the profession, you should deal with the consequenses.
Message Edited by ChefRubio on 11-07-2005 12:05 AM