Bounty Hunter Archive

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Asir wrote:

Well the devolopers got rid of feign death in Pvp. I think Cloak should go in Pvp. Its the very exact same concept here why should a jedi get this (I win) button. You cannot kill a force cloaker even if they choose to fight all they have to do is KD and walk 20 meters away and cloak. I play on starsider and have been playing full templates this entire mourning. I have kill a 219000, 250000, 260000 but both of my 221000 marks where force cloakers one didn't want to fight and just sat there while i throw posion on him. Another one decided to fight I would get him low mind and force and he would KD me and force cloak and med up again. The only way to uncloak a cloaker is to ae KD them but its kind of useless because they can just reforce cloak. Any jedi who says they have to give things up to be a force cloaker is full of it. 28 points total for an I win button. Smuggler feign death require alot more points than that (roughly 70points). This is my plea for something to be done with this issue.

Asir

Starsider

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i think they have to get 32m to atleast enforce cloak (may not change anything)

Message Edited by DKJBoyd on 07-15-2005 09:41 PM

Cover breaks after 1 shot that isn't conceal shot, eg. sniper shot. Cover will not initiate if anything is within 20m either, I don't understand how you're trying to use that against my argement. Jedi can still force run away, whether it takes force to maintain or not. Cover requires the BH to crawl at half a meter per second to escape or get to the jedi.

Jedi always claim that they're supposed to be much stronger than everyone in the universe ever, yet claim that BH are not boba/jango fett, and thus cannot be as strong as them. News flash, you are neither luke, nor vader, nor yoda, nor obiwan. Therefore you will never be as strong as them. They are the ones that struggled against jango and boba and eventually came out on top. These weren't your exact words, but as far as I'm concerned its based on the same mentality, and quite frankly I'm tired of that mentality.

You have risks and heightened costs because you are supposed to be a rare and majestic class. If you want strength, then you need to stop trying to make the path easier for yourself while you and 40 of your friends grind out 3 jedi each. Until jedi actually have REAL risk that can't be ground back AFK in 2 hours or less, cloak can and WILL be comparable to cover, because you're nerfing yourself into a normal profession, and normal professions should never be able to run away from a fight at their own accord without ever being stopped unless a BH canvases the area with 300 of his friends to drain your force. I'm guildless and have 10 people on my friends list, btw.
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So use 3 conceal shots in a row. The point is no matter what only 1 attack can be done while cloaked before cloak fades.

Who cares about your Jango, Boba, Vader, Luke crap that is the books and movies, I am talking about the game. It is a simple fact that Jedi were designed to be stronger than non Jedi in this game. If you did not know that when you became a BH you really are poorly informed. They started at 20:1, then 10:1, then 5:1, and now 1.5:1.

Sorry pal I unlocked prior to patch 9 when we did it solo, had skill box loss, and saber tefs. Were you even playing the game at that time? In the current BH/Jedi system the BH has no risk of loss upon defeat and recieves rewards for victory, the Jedi has has no rewards for victory, and suffers losses upon defeat. Sorry if you feel the risks and grind should be higher than they are, but the simple fact is that it is more than you have.

I notice that you have CM in your template, what is my counter to your Paralyze? I am always suprised when I see a guy that has a skill with no counter to it with the balls to come and say that skills with out counters are wrong.


Buku
Naritus

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BukuJohnson wrote:
So use 3 conceal shots in a row. The point is no matter what only 1 attack can be done while cloaked before cloak fades.

Who cares about your Jango, Boba, Vader, Luke crap that is the books and movies, I am talking about the game. It is a simple fact that Jedi were designed to be stronger than non Jedi in this game. If you did not know that when you became a BH you really are poorly informed. They started at 20:1, then 10:1, then 5:1, and now 1.5:1.

Sorry pal I unlocked prior to patch 9 when we did it solo, had skill box loss, and saber tefs. Were you even playing the game at that time? In the current BH/Jedi system the BH has no risk of loss upon defeat and recieves rewards for victory, the Jedi has has no rewards for victory, and suffers losses upon defeat. Sorry if you feel the risks and grind should be higher than they are, but the simple fact is that it is more than you have.

I notice that you have CM in your template, what is my counter to your Paralyze? I am always suprised when I see a guy that has a skill with no counter to it with the balls to come and say that skills with out counters are wrong.


Buku
Naritus

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Exploit or not, jedi can perma cloak and do anything and everything whil remaining cloaked. I still don't see what you're arguing about. Meanwhile even if that gets fixed, jedi are no longer targettable while cloaked yet cover will remain targettable. I don't see that as fair whether you're supposed to be jesus' offspring or not.

EULA: "Experience may change during gameplay." or something like that. Again though you're talking about how you're supposed to be all powerful, yet conveniently avoid the fact that 50%+ of the people on all servers have a jedi, whether it be a first box padawan or a full template padawan. An alpha class cannot be allowed to remain an alpha class if it is the majority of all characters.

"Tell me the story again grandpa." comes to mind. And I purchased the game may 27th. Doesn't mean I'm not aware of what jedi used to have risk wise, nor what they had reward wise. Then jedi grew in number all the while complaining they had it too rough because they could only solo 19 people. :< So what happened? That saber tef, that box loss, and that power all went away. Again, if you want power, you need risk. Full temps lose 500k exp, which can be ground back in a few hours. Which doesn't matter since they're full temp, thus aren't losing anything. Whoops. And btw, you had reward in the FRS. Its not exactly my (or BH in general) fault you got that removed by fight clubbing, is it? Oh but wait, you're getting that back. Time to petition for exp loss removal too!

BH aren't supposed to lose anything. We're a regular "mundane" class like everyone else. Whether we now don't need master scout and marksman doesn't matter, because our class was adjusted accordingly. Our only difference is instead of a 1600 damage attack or a root or healing abilities, we hunt jedi. That is our unique trait.

Barring the fact that I could have any possible line other than the bio suppresion line, yes I do have paralyze. As for your counter to it? No idea, I don't use it. It lasts not even 3 seconds in PVE, and less than that in PVP.

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Corvett wrote:

Can someone tell me where it said that when you become a Bh hunting Jedi was supposed to be easy? It is supposed to be very very hard but have nerfed Jedi down to make it waaaaaayyyyy easier for you now. So plz stop crying and learn how to play as soo many Bh's have.

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Refer to my above posts as to why it is YOU who need to stop crying. Thanks.

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When Publish 25 forces BH's to wear paper bags over their heads labeled "noob", disables droids completely, and moves Jedi hunting to Master Powers, you'll still havethose carpng the "stop crying and learn ur prof" whine.

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Eutock wrote:

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A_Lamer wrote:

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Corvett wrote:

Can someone tell me where it said that when you become a Bh hunting Jedi was supposed to be easy? It is supposed to be very very hard but have nerfed Jedi down to make it waaaaaayyyyy easier for you now. So plz stop crying and learn how to play as soo many Bh's have.

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Refer to my above posts as to why it is YOU who need to stop crying. Thanks.

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When Publish 25 forces BH's to wear paper bags over their heads labeled "noob", disables droids completely, and moves Jedi hunting to Master Powers, you'll still have those carpng the "stop crying and learn ur prof" whine.

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As obvious as it is that you're exagerating, I somehow believe all that is coming.

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Warryyr wrote:

Using cloak against a Bounty Hunter isn't an "I WIN" button.

It's a "this is not a time when I want to fight" button.

And you cannot, I repeat, can NOT compare the Feign Death problems of old with your current beef with Cloak.

First off - Feign Death was on a low box of Smuggler. Could be obtained very easily by grinding Padawans, low level Padawans, and used specifically to avoid BH's.

Cloak is a Tier 4 Jedi skill. That's 3,200,000 Jedi xp. That is NOT any kind of comparison to the comparitively small amount of xp required to Feign Death before it was nerfed.

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More like 1,620,000 if you count the novice box

in super return of the jedi for super nintendo you get force vanish, and you can use it standign right next to anyone so i think force cloak is legit

When you have a mark that won't uncloak, it's time to call in your buddies. Get 4 players (or get near 4 NPC's) to stand around the mark and drain his Force pool. They'll be forced to uncloak.

how does that work?

Cry nerf somewhere else. You're barking up the wrong tree buddy. Cloak is NOT an I WIN button. Do you have a root? Guess what... USE IT. Stay within 15-20m of them then. BAM they cant cloak.

Cloak is here to stay. It is here to stay because there are ways around it.