Bounty Hunter Archive

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Jengu-Fet wrote:

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KyridIce wrote:

I am currently a padawan. I have spent much time after my unlock grinding out a template that would give me enough pvp skills to survive a 1 on 1 encounter with a BH. I have also spent a lot of time toying around with a template builder program so I can map out how and when to learn or drop skills, in an effort to always be strong enough to fight BHs. Basically put, I've put in the effort before grinding so that I don't have to come whine on the forums about being killed. If a BH or group of BHs manage to kill me, then congrats to them. Jedi padawans don't EVER have to be weaker than a BH, they just choose to be by their own laziness or lack of understanding of the game.

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What the hell?.

You are trying to tell me that a new padawan with 1 box is supposed to be able to kill a bounty hunter? and if he doesn't it is because of his lack of understanding?.

Please, just delete your character now because you sir are full of crap.

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Yeah...because if he goes and surrenders all his other skills after he gets that 1 box...hes pretty F'in dumb.

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Djena wrote:

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Jengu-Fet wrote:

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SwenLaransa wrote:

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Jengu-Fet wrote:

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KyridIce wrote:

I am currently a padawan. I have spent much time after my unlock grinding out a template that would give me enough pvp skills to survive a 1 on 1 encounter with a BH. I have also spent a lot of time toying around with a template builder program so I can map out how and when to learn or drop skills, in an effort to always be strong enough to fight BHs. Basically put, I've put in the effort before grinding so that I don't have to come whine on the forums about being killed. If a BH or group of BHs manage to kill me, then congrats to them. Jedi padawans don't EVER have to be weaker than a BH, they just choose to be by their own laziness or lack of understanding of the game.

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What the hell?.

You are trying to tell me that a new padawan with1 box is supposed to be able to kill a bounty hunter? and if he doesn't it is because of his lack of understanding?.

Please, just delete your character now because you sir are full of crap.

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That's exactly what he's saying and I'll back that 100%. I got smacked twice first week I was a paddy because I didn't know what to look for. After those times I was more than able to defend myself. I've always ground in a group. I've always been on the terms. I always fight. I have 5 BH deaths I'll count, and 1 I won't. I thank all the BH's who've come because they've made me a better PvPer.

The little boxes of skills aren't what make you good at PvP. It's the person behind them. The jedi grind means you have to be good at PvE killing stuff. The BH part of the grind means you have to be good at PvP. If you're not good at both you won't be good as a jedi. And you especially won't be good as a knight if they keep it based on pvp. It's your own fault if you don't want to learn how to PvP before becoming a jedi.

To the topic at hand hunt me and kill me whenever I'm atk, like someone else said. I had a client crash and was attacked with LD floating above my head and that was the only time I've been pissed off at a BH. That's the BH death I won't give props to the BH for. If a paddy isn't ld or obviously AFK, go nuts. Any jedi who gets his hate on because you killed him while grinding is just a whiner.

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Ok sure, why don't you find a Jedi with ONLY novice sabers and get him to duel a MBH, then you'll see who wins.

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Give that jedi some doc skills, and an elitecombat profession and I'll bet he'll do fine.

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Yes that is true, but I guess i'm trying to say is that Jedi itself is NOT that powerful on its own at lower levels. Which is why people need to stop complaining about Jedi profession, because it is both the Jedi profession AND another profession which is stronger then theirs.

Message Edited by Jengu-Fet on 07-12-2005 06:16 AM

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Jengu-Fet wrote:

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Djena wrote:

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Jengu-Fet wrote:

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SwenLaransa wrote:

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Jengu-Fet wrote:

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KyridIce wrote:

I am currently a padawan. I have spent much time after my unlock grinding out a template that would give me enough pvp skills to survive a 1 on 1 encounter with a BH. I have also spent a lot of time toying around with a template builder program so I can map out how and when to learn or drop skills, in an effort to always be strong enough to fight BHs. Basically put, I've put in the effort before grinding so that I don't have to come whine on the forums about being killed. If a BH or group of BHs manage to kill me, then congrats to them. Jedi padawans don't EVER have to be weaker than a BH, they just choose to be by their own laziness or lack of understanding of the game.

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What the hell?.

You are trying to tell me that a new padawan with1 box is supposed to be able to kill a bounty hunter? and if he doesn't it is because of his lack of understanding?.

Please, just delete your character now because you sir are full of crap.

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That's exactly what he's saying and I'll back that 100%. I got smacked twice first week I was a paddy because I didn't know what to look for. After those times I was more than able to defend myself. I've always ground in a group. I've always been on the terms. I always fight. I have 5 BH deaths I'll count, and 1 I won't. I thank all the BH's who've come because they've made me a better PvPer.

The little boxes of skills aren't what make you good at PvP. It's the person behind them. The jedi grind means you have to be good at PvE killing stuff. The BH part of the grind means you have to be good at PvP. If you're not good at both you won't be good as a jedi. And you especially won't be good as a knight if they keep it based on pvp. It's your own fault if you don't want to learn how to PvP before becoming a jedi.

To the topic at hand hunt me and kill me whenever I'm atk, like someone else said. I had a client crash and was attacked with LD floating above my head and that was the only time I've been pissed off at a BH. That's the BH death I won't give props to the BH for. If a paddy isn't ld or obviously AFK, go nuts. Any jedi who gets his hate on because you killed him while grinding is just a whiner.

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Ok sure, why don't you find a Jedi with ONLY novice sabers and get him to duel a MBH, then you'll see who wins.

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Give that jedi some doc skills, and an elitecombat profession and I'll bet he'll do fine.

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Yes that is true, but I guess i'm trying to say is that Jedi itself is NOT that powerful on its own at lower levels. Which is why people need to stop complaining about Jedi profession, because it is both the Jedi profession AND another profession which is stronger then theirs.

Message Edited by Jengu-Fet on 07-12-2005 06:16 AM

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Tucheck wrote:
I've recently been wondering...under WHAT condition is it "okay" in the eyes of the Jedi communiy for a Jedi to be killed?

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The answer is that it is "tolerated" if a Jedi dies as long as the do not lose anything for it. So right now, if a Bounty Hunter can actually get a mission for a non Jedi Knight (about a 5 - 10% chance of that) and can actually win the fight (causing the Jedi to lose XP) this would be "unacceptable" if it happens often.

My estimateis that, in time, all XP loss or "risk" associated with being a Jedi will be done away with. The removal of the $$$ amounts for BH missions is the first step. After about a month (post Publish 20) I think you will see less and less Jedi missions being takenand less and less Jedi dieing as a result. Reason being that the chances are the mission you pull with probably be a Jedi Knight and unkillable for most BH templates(not accounting for the rare fluke).

The next step, after Publish 20, will be to NERF Combat Medic since that will be the FoTM Jedi killing template, that would reduce the Jedi missions again. So, if these 2 changes (Publish 20 in particular) do not result in decreasing the amount of times a Jedi dies to a BH and the resulting XP loss, then they will probably just do away with the XP loss or something similar.

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Tucheck wrote:
I've recently been wondering...under WHAT condition is it "okay" in the eyes of the Jedi communiyt for a Jedi to be killed?

If, as a BH, we kill a Padawan, we are "bottom feeding" and picking on "weak" Jedi in an effort to grieve.

If, as a BH group, we kill a Jedi, we are being unfair in an effort to grieve.

If, as a BH, we attack a Jedi that is already in combat we are "a weak BH with no honor" (YES, I have been told this more then once), and if given the chance to fight when the Jedi is "prepared", we would lose.

If, as a BH, we kill a Jedi in a 1 vs 1 fight wherein both the Jedi AND the Bounty Hunter were prepared, then we are overpowered.


Is it EVER "okay" that a Bounty Hunter kills a Jedi?

Can anyone seriously answer this question? It would seem as though, even when we win, we cannot "win".

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Yeah, if you kill me its allright I dont care, everything for the BHs I guess. Its just a fact that a lot of leet kiddies plays this class that whines very very much and takes the game way too serious. Of course there is tons of kiddies playing BHs too, and there is very very many BHs that whine even harder than Jedi (true story).

Lesson of the day is that everyone who dont get things how they want em resorts to whining.

Message Edited by Llazarus on 07-12-2005 02:47 PM

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Tucheck wrote:
I've recently been wondering...under WHAT condition is it "okay" in the eyes of the Jedi communiyt for a Jedi to be killed?

If, as a BH, we kill a Padawan, we are "bottom feeding" and picking on "weak" Jedi in an effort to grieve.

If, as a BH group, we kill a Jedi, we are being unfair in an effort to grieve.

If, as a BH, we attack a Jedi that is already in combat we are "a weak BH with no honor" (YES, I have been told this more then once), and if given the chance to fight when the Jedi is "prepared", we would lose.

If, as a BH, we kill a Jedi in a 1 vs 1 fight wherein both the Jedi AND the Bounty Hunter were prepared, then we are overpowered.


Is it EVER "okay" that a Bounty Hunter kills a Jedi?

Can anyone seriously answer this question? It would seem as though, even when we win, we cannot "win".

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1: Killing a Paddy might not be nice for the Paddy, but in war that will last generations you kill the women and children, not the fully grown men.

2: High level Jedi SHOULD be ganked, because we should be boyond the scope of any 1 BH. High level Jedi who complain about being ganked and want 1v1 dont deserve the power to defeat mutliple opponents.

3: BH thats attacks a Jedi already in combat is smart. The Jedi should have disengadged when the BH turned up, radar is your friend. If you couldnt? Thats life, win some lose some

4: Yes, no BH should kill me 1v1 if i am 100% prepared. If i were a noob in PvP, /respec who didnt understand my template, or anything else, then the BH should win. If a BH can defeat a well prepared Knight who knows their template and that template is well balanced and strong, then the BH is most likely overpowered or perhaps just the bane of the said Jedi's template.

Yes when you kill off the AFK grinders on kashyyyk or the newbs that run around in theed showing off.

Its ok if you kill me Truthfully I have died once to a BH it was while I was a paddie and i lagged on a heal (pre 19) and he killed me. The only thing he got from me was a tell that it was a good fight and he deserved the kill.

Now at full temp if you kill me one on one good for you. If you group hunt or get me while aggroed with something else it just means you are smart. However if you try that expect me to try to cloak and run Its a game right... if you win cool... if I escape or win thats also cool. Dosen't mean one side or the other needs a nerf or is a cheater it just means we used the abilities and opportunities presented.

NO! a resounding No!

'Eternal

yeah....when they're fully templated and don't give a $h!t about the xp loss...then it's just fun and games.

Grozzer Agoutt