Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: bounty hunters
Starscream1
Thu Jul 01, 2004 3:05 pm
#53
I am a Bounty Hunter that find the Ranger tracking tree invaluable. But I feel we should also have a version of areatrack.
I have started a discussion of a Bounty Hunter revamp found here:
One of the lines I added was similar to areatrack, but only grants the ability to track NPCs and players. My thinking is, where Rangers are hunters of creatuers, Bounty Hunters are hunters of men. One of the main concerns is that Rangerswould feel like they are having their toes stepped on. I see it as brother professions each with their own quarry of choice. Ay input on the subject would be valued.
Message Edited by Starscream1 on 07-01-2004 06:47 PM
Almagill
Thu Jul 01, 2004 3:55 pm
#54
lootranger wrote:http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=bounty_hunter&message.id=238410#M238410does that mean not as many dabblers?
Am currently running an MBH and a Ranger/CH/Rifleman on TC. The current skill template there only requires Exploration IV for BH, but if they want our /areatracking BH will still have to spend the SP on the rest of Scout and take Novice Ranger as at present. That'll rip 65 SP and a chunk of AP out of their budget.
Or, putting it another way, that's a whole other professions worth.
I've not done the math yet but the loss of the other three lines of scout will also make a dent in their harvest / TN / creature to hit, won't it?
Squidwalker
Thu Jul 01, 2004 4:11 pm
#55
Starscream1 wrote:
I am a Bounty Hunter that find the Ranger tracking tree invaluable. But I feel we should also have a version of areatrack.
I have started a discussion of a Bounty Hunter revamp found here:
One of the lines I added was similar to areatrack, but only grants the ability to track NPCs and players. My thinking is, where Rangers are hunters of creatuers, Bounty Hunters are hunters of men. One of the main concerns is that Rangerswould feel like they are having their toes stepped on. I see it as brother professions each with their own quarry of choice. Ay input on the subject would be valued.
Message Edited by Starscream1 on 07-01-2004 06:47 PM
Yea I feel stepped on. Can I now use your droids to track npc and players off planet? Can I get to use the "mantraps" when the BH get them?(devs said it will for sure not be in Ranger, which Im fine with).
The BH already had a way to track the players and npc, using your droids, wich have a way way way farther range then our areatrack. It only goes 500m radious. Your droids are using technology to find someone for you and tell you where it is. One specific thing. Areatrack is using your advanced knowledge of terrain, whether, outdoors environments, and beings of all types moving about in those enviroments. It requires a lot knowledge, skill, and experience actually interacting with all those things. Using a droid is pretty much, punch in the code, give it the ID of the person, and send it on its way. Huge difference. If you want to track "everything" that is in your area, you need to gain that knowledge ane experience. Guess how you do that? Get master scout then start training and learning about tracking in ranger.
Just like if I want to be a ranger that can hunt down criminals and jedi,(utilizing areatrack)I have to get novice BH and work up Investigation. Realize, areatrack was not even in the orginal ranger at launch. We got it after the fact a few months into the game, along with /conceal. Thats all the attention we got since launch. So don't try to take something, or get it "for free" so to speak after we finally got something kind of cool and useful.
/rant on; No offence, but I don't want to hear any whining from BH with all the dev attention they are getting these days.
/rant off;
Starscream1
Thu Jul 01, 2004 4:41 pm
#56
Did you read my link?I really don't know why your upset. We would still need the Master Scout requirement, justify the "extensive knowledge needed for tracking". We would only be able to track humaniods, which is what bounty hunters do. We track people.When someone want to hunt an animal they call a ranger, when they want a person hunted down they call a bounty hunter. In fact in my revamp concept it would take MORE work for LESS tracking ability than it would to become a ranger. Our droids are thoroughly borked and even when they did work, they were usually off by about 500m.
We would not have the creature harvesting bonuses that rangers do. All we would be able to do is find PEOPLE. That is unreasonable to ask? As for being a ranger that hunts down criminals and jedi, that would be my definition of a bounty hunter.
As for the "attention" we have been getting lately, it just misguided attempts at help that end up destroy the profession slowly, patch by patch as always.
I welcome input, but if your going to make an unrational rant, the least you could do is put in a suggestion of your own to be picked apart by someone else.
Message Edited by Starscream1 on 07-01-2004 07:44 PM
lootranger
Thu Jul 01, 2004 5:25 pm
#57
i read your proposal and it looks well thought out. imho i feel like it is going to be hard for alot of rangers to gut getting two of their trees shared with another profession. my biggest problem with it is area track. bhs already have a means to track their marks. granted it may be jacked up, but its still there. on traps, rangers get 2 kinds of traps to use. our highest level trap causes a dizzy effect. which a dev has stated has no effect on creatures. you are asking for 5. good luck to that. how woudl you feel if others asked for some of yalls skills? i also feel rangers are in more of a need ofbetter defense modifiers. i agree yall need more to keep all the whiney jedi in check. i just hope it doesnt come to effect other profs.
DND_Cas
Fri Jul 02, 2004 1:49 am
#58
We would not have the creature harvesting bonuses that rangers do. All we would be able to do is find PEOPLE. That is unreasonable to ask?
Yes it is.
One of the major problems with Ranger is that someone with more combat skills can harvest much quicker than us. Even tho they don't harvest as much per critter as us because they can kill the critters much quicker they harvest more in the end - Its one of our major gripes with the profession as it is.
I also don't think you've thought this through - what your are proposing would kill the majority of our usefulness in PvP.Bounty hunters are a dime a dozen - who's going to want a ranger to track when you've got 10 BH who can do exactly the same thing?
I suggest in future that you read up on a professions problems before you start posting ideas that make us less unique.
Calculus_Entropy
Fri Jul 02, 2004 8:03 am
#59
I would suggest that BH work on getting your droids fixed. Tanks is pulling for a droid fix constantly in the Correspondent forum, and the Devs are well aware that they don't work. Please don't go trying to take other Profs skills becuase one of your doesn't work.
Phenix1050
Fri Jul 02, 2004 8:22 am
#60
Starscream1 wrote:
Did you read my link?I really don't know why your upset.
Maybe because you ask for the same accuracy with Carbines as a Master Carbiner? Maybe because you ask for the same accuracy with Pistols as a Pistoleer?Maybe because you're trying to get bonuses that Rangers get without doing the pre-requisite work?
Other classes spend a huge chunk of their skill points on their respective weapons class. You spend two sets of boxes (one in Marksman, one in BH). They spend 5 boxes. seems to me that you shouldn't be as accurate with any one weapon as someone who has chosen to master that proffession. I.E. a person who spends their life using 3 types of weapons shouldn't be able to get the same accuracy as someone who has specialized in one type. As far as Ranger goes, tracking is one of our few working skills that's usefull in both PvE and PvP.
Basically you're asking for the bonuses a Elite Master proffession gets without having to go through the work. Yes I do know how hard it is, I'm BH too (Ranger first and foremost, though)
I'll make you a counter-offer. Rangers get to do BH missions too.I mean, technically, we're the more savvy trackers anyway. You couldn't find your ass from a hole in the ground unless your droid told you the approximate WP your ass was last seen. We can also use the droids, and we have a special ability to track any animals we want and get a WP. We however, don't have to get BH experience. Our Investigation skills let us level by getting more scouting XP (put it in with our tracking line).
You see now why other proffessions might not want you getting the same advantages without doing the same amount of work??
Message Edited by Phenix1050 on 07-02-2004 11:26 AM
Ariven
Fri Jul 02, 2004 10:00 am
#61
Calculus_Entropy wrote:I would suggest that BH work on getting your droids fixed. Tanks is pulling for a droid fix constantly in the Correspondent forum, and the Devs are well aware that they don't work. Please don't go trying to take other Profs skills becuase one of your doesn't work.
EXACTLY!
if a class was meant to be 100% standalone in this game, we wouldn't have skillpoints.. if I want ranger tracking then I should -have- to meet the prerequisites for ranger and work the skillset up..
I am happy with the droids for the most part, the only real issue is with hunting players... and those will get fixed.. the lead dev is now assigned to fixing them, so I am content to be patient...
But above all else, the ranger should NOT be abrogated nor picked apart by other profesions just because some (not all) of the people in that profession want the abilities....
Starscream1
Fri Jul 02, 2004 3:11 pm
#62
Here is the reason I refuse to completely remove my concept of bounty hunter tracking. In my concept revamp, the pre-requisites are MASTER SCOUT (same as Ranger) and MASTERY OF ANY ELITE COMBAT PROFESSION. With this in mind, mastery of the bounty hunter profession in my concept leaves us with 18 skillpoints, not enough to take Ranger tracking.
Rangers would have MORE tracking ability for FEWER skillpoints. My concept revamp only allows bounty hunter tracking to track NPCs and players. This would still makeRangers more common, easier to obtain and, and still be the only ones to go to when looking for a creature.
Coincidently, Master Ranger/Master of elite combat profession also leaves 18 you with skillpoints, just enough to get investigation 3, to the person who asked about using droids. I warn you though, even at their best you needed a very very slow moving player mark for them to be within 200m of the waypoint.
I understand rangers feel that everyone will look to bounty hunters to find things instead of rangers. I do not feel this will be the case. While rangers will stillhave the ability to track both creatures and humanoids (at a much lower skillpoint cost) bounty hunters can only track humanoids. And if someone comes to a bounty hunter, and is willing to pay them for finding a person, isn't that the job of a bounty hunter?
Seiryuu
Fri Jul 02, 2004 6:10 pm
#63
Here is the reason I refuse to completely remove my concept of bounty hunter tracking. In my concept revamp, the pre-requisites are MASTER SCOUT (same as Ranger) and MASTERY OF ANY ELITE COMBAT PROFESSION. With this in mind, mastery of the bounty hunter profession in my concept leaves us with 18 skillpoints, not enough to take Ranger tracking.
Due to the recent removal of the scouting requirements, they will likely never add them back. Otherwise they will have a ton of Bounty Hunters that get free skill points because they already have that novice box with one line of Scout.
Taking that into consideration, how does your proposal fit?
Due to the recent removal of the scouting requirements, they will likely never add them back. Otherwise they will have a ton of Bounty Hunters that get free skill points because they already have that novice box with one line of Scout.
Taking that into consideration, how does your proposal fit?
Rancorrider4
Fri Jul 02, 2004 6:25 pm
#64
Seiryuu wrote:
Am I misunderstanding him or does JustG really have an attitude towards them. All this "but it won't be soon enough for you" sounds kinda rude, especially for a dev to talk to the player base that way. Then again, some of the people on the BH boards have no manners anyway.
Trust us when we say the phrase is appropriate. Don't go in there to learn about the true nature of those boards as your soul will be forever consumed by the unholiness that permeates those threads.
(Of course, given the time span it takes to get real changes in [read six month or greater increments], I wouldn't hold it against anyone that claims "it won't be soon enough"...)
Which is precisely WHY I am apalled at the fact that the Devs, despite being flamed from here to eternity in that forum, up and decided "Hey! I have a great idea! Lets give the Ranger's another kick in the teeth. They're patient. They're calm. Watch this..<snicker>....lets free up some skill points for the Bounty Hunters! That will REALLY cheese them off! Nevermind the fact that the Bounty Hunter community as a whole despises the entire developement team. We'll give them some loving anyway."
Please see my "Cover your ear/eyes....." thread.......
Rancorrider4
Sat Jul 03, 2004 5:55 pm
#65
Starscream1 wrote:
Here is the reason I refuse to completely remove my concept of bounty hunter tracking. In my concept revamp, the pre-requisites are MASTER SCOUT (same as Ranger) and MASTERY OF ANY ELITE COMBAT PROFESSION. With this in mind, mastery of the bounty hunter profession in my concept leaves us with 18 skillpoints, not enough to take Ranger tracking.
Rangers would have MORE tracking ability for FEWER skillpoints. My concept revamp only allows bounty hunter tracking to track NPCs and players. This would still makeRangers more common, easier to obtain and, and still be the only ones to go to when looking for a creature.
Coincidently, Master Ranger/Master of elite combat profession also leaves 18 you with skillpoints, just enough to get investigation 3, to the person who asked about using droids. I warn you though, even at their best you needed a very very slow moving player mark for them to be within 200m of the waypoint.
I understand rangers feel that everyone will look to bounty hunters to find things instead of rangers. I do not feel this will be the case. While rangers will stillhave the ability to track both creatures and humanoids (at a much lower skillpoint cost) bounty hunters can only track humanoids. And if someone comes to a bounty hunter, and is willing to pay them for finding a person, isn't that the job of a bounty hunter?
Where is JB for this. He must be on vacation or something. Can you say shark smelling blood in the water?
The job of a Bounty Hunter includes a tool commonly known to most players as a droid. That is how they track. Want better tracking? Tell the Devs to fix your droids. What you are proposing is taking something that has long been considered for Ranger, and giving it to Bounty Hunter's. Do the Bounty Hunters have a skill tree in their profession called "Tracking"? No. Ranger's do.
Want a Master of Tracking? Call a Ranger. We c should be able to track ANYTHING and ANYONE. GreenMarine has already stated (see promises made back in August 2003 Dev's) that we have a specific /track ability which would include tracking NPC's and players. Bounty Hunters were not mentioned in this...at all.
Don't feel bad. You're only about the 1746th player to come in and demand a skill of ours go to someone else.
"Move along....Move along....."