Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: Anonymous Mission Testing and What I Told the Devs
Quickfire04
Sun Jul 10, 2005 1:58 pm
#53
Tanks wrote:Please make the name of the Jedi available after the Arakyd probe reports the planet location. This would resolve a lot of issues and still stop the so called griefing by gank squads, targeting specific Jedi etc., etc.
I could see 150m rule or something. But theres no need to give out names, because its pretty easy to find out if the target is a full template or not, and it still opens the door for certain individuals that want to grief a certain person.
Tucheck
Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:00 pm
#54
Zorron wrote:
Tanks wrote:
Finally got on TC to test.I got the mission and started tracking.When I finally got to the Jedi he was fighting Giant Worts. He was alone, but I simulated regular hunting as most will be with groups and tried to target him via tabbing.It took me several seconds to TAB over to him. The Jedi knew I was after him before I could even target him. The smart Jedi will start running way before I would be able to target him in most situations. Now, add the fact that /duel is used almost exclusively in most situations to figure out a bounty target by the Jedi, he will know before the BHs.We really need the Jedi name at some point in the process. The devs at the "FanFest Jedi Focus Group Session" even mentioned that the BH first strike ability makes them equal to full template Jedi in power (which is a fallacy in itself). Well, it is kinda hard to have first strike or any kind of advantage when you have to be almost on top of the Jedi to know who he is!!!Please make the name of the Jedi available after the Arakyd probe reports the planet location. This would resolve a lot of issues and still stop the so called griefing by gank squads, targeting specific Jedi etc., etc.
Your conclusion, that the name should be given after the Arakyd reports the planet location, does not follow directly from your observations. Giving the name so soon would certainly bring back the bottom feeding, and maybe even more bad things that this patch stamps out. A proper conclusion from your observations, that fixes the problem you are referring to without breaking anything else, is that the name should be given when you are within 500m of your mark's waypoint. That's still outside radar range so you continue exploiting server lag to make the most of your first strike, but because you're only minutes away from attacking, you are still tempted to go for it instead of dropping the mission (aka bottom feeding).
Wrong....minutes or seconds away....if I don't stand a chance...I'll drop it as soon as I can click "abort mission".
aekeem
Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:00 pm
#55
Nyracasso wrote:
That isn't even a problem with the no-name missions. That's you having a problem rolling up on AFK marks.
Jesus...
you missed the entire point of his post, there are certain jedi on most servers(you'd know this if you were a bh) that just get vis and sit afk in their houses all day hoping bhs will come waste their time sitting outside the jedi's house, if you don't have the jedi's name you'll end up grabbing missions on these people.
jesus...
Tissme
Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:03 pm
#56
Bounty hunting is going to stink now......time for a new profession, anyone know where I can find an ID trainer?
Zorron
Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:08 pm
#57
Tanks wrote:
Finally got on TC to test.
I got the mission and started tracking.
When I finally got to the Jedi he was fighting Giant Worts. He was alone, but I simulated regular hunting as most will be with groups and tried to target him via tabbing.
It took me several seconds to TAB over to him. The Jedi knew I was after him before I could even target him. The smart Jedi will start running way before I would be able to target him in most situations. Now, add the fact that /duel is used almost exclusively in most situations to figure out a bounty target by the Jedi, he will know before the BHs.
We really need the Jedi name at some point in the process. The devs at the "FanFest Jedi Focus Group Session" even mentioned that the BH first strike ability makes them equal to full template Jedi in power (which is a fallacy in itself). Well, it is kinda hard to have first strikeor any kind of advantage when you have to be almost on top of the Jedi to know who he is!!!
Please make the name of the Jedi available after the Arakyd probe reports the planet location. This would resolve a lot of issues and still stop the so called griefing by gank squads, targeting specific Jedi etc., etc.
Oh, one other thing. If you really tested thoroughly, and if you weren't so antagonistic to the idea of truly anonymous terminals, your #1 priority for fixing wouldn't be the provision of the name at some point. It would be having an ability to check if the mark is still online, maybe with some kind of button in the mission description that does "VERIFY MARK ONLINE STATUS" and tells you if they are online or offline. Because as the code is right now, when the servers have been up a while the majority of missions on the terminals will be for offline Jedi who have logged on, gone on terms and have long since logged off. With anonymity in place, once a server hasbeen up 24 hours or so you guys will be wasting huge amounts of time looking for online Jedi, unless you get the devs to fix this.
Then again, maybe Tanks doesn't wantthis fixed the proper way, so he can proposehis ownfixalong the lines of"let us have the name so we can check if they are online"....
Quickfire04
Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:08 pm
#58
Tucheck wrote:
Zorron wrote:
Tanks wrote:
Finally got on TC to test.I got the mission and started tracking.When I finally got to the Jedi he was fighting Giant Worts. He was alone, but I simulated regular hunting as most will be with groups and tried to target him via tabbing.It took me several seconds to TAB over to him. The Jedi knew I was after him before I could even target him. The smart Jedi will start running way before I would be able to target him in most situations. Now, add the fact that /duel is used almost exclusively in most situations to figure out a bounty target by the Jedi, he will know before the BHs.We really need the Jedi name at some point in the process. The devs at the "FanFest Jedi Focus Group Session" even mentioned that the BH first strike ability makes them equal to full template Jedi in power (which is a fallacy in itself). Well, it is kinda hard to have first strike or any kind of advantage when you have to be almost on top of the Jedi to know who he is!!!Please make the name of the Jedi available after the Arakyd probe reports the planet location. This would resolve a lot of issues and still stop the so called griefing by gank squads, targeting specific Jedi etc., etc.
Your conclusion, that the name should be given after the Arakyd reports the planet location, does not follow directly from your observations. Giving the name so soon would certainly bring back the bottom feeding, and maybe even more bad things that this patch stamps out. A proper conclusion from your observations, that fixes the problem you are referring to without breaking anything else, is that the name should be given when you are within 500m of your mark's waypoint. That's still outside radar range so you continue exploiting server lag to make the most of your first strike, but because you're only minutes away from attacking, you are still tempted to go for it instead of dropping the mission (aka bottom feeding).
Wrong....minutes or seconds away....if I don't stand a chance...I'll drop it as soon as I can click "abort mission".
so you want a profession that is all reward and no risk? must be so scary after patch 20 that the mark you come upon may actually want a fight eh?
aekeem
Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:13 pm
#59
Grisham wrote:
heapum wrote:
If the marks name is going to be annoymous they need to visually depict who your mark is as soon as the BH approaches. Some sort of special coloring of the name or a giant a$$ arrow pointing the the jedi from the sky or somethin. Or give the BH a targeting command to /target current BH mission mark to preserve the first strike ability. Only two ideas I can come up with to preserve jedi anomety on the terms.
you do, you have a BIG BEAM OF LIGHT pointing you right to them
ya assuming they STOP MOVING THE LAST TIME MY DROID UPDATES THEIR POSITION AND ASSUMING THEY AREN'T ON KASHYYYK
aekeem
Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:14 pm
#60
Grisham wrote:
Grisham wrote:
heapum wrote:
If the marks name is going to be annoymous they need to visually depict who your mark is as soon as the BH approaches. Some sort of special coloring of the name or a giant a$$ arrow pointing the the jedi from the sky or somethin. Or give the BH a targeting command to /target current BH mission mark to preserve the first strike ability. Only two ideas I can come up with to preserve jedi anomety on the terms.
you do, you have a BIG BEAM OF LIGHT pointing you right to them
not to mention you also have their name in red like you do now.
not to mention you have no idea what you're talking about.
Tucheck
Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:17 pm
#61
Quickfire04 wrote:
Tucheck wrote:
Zorron wrote:
Tanks wrote:
Finally got on TC to test.I got the mission and started tracking.When I finally got to the Jedi he was fighting Giant Worts. He was alone, but I simulated regular hunting as most will be with groups and tried to target him via tabbing.It took me several seconds to TAB over to him. The Jedi knew I was after him before I could even target him. The smart Jedi will start running way before I would be able to target him in most situations. Now, add the fact that /duel is used almost exclusively in most situations to figure out a bounty target by the Jedi, he will know before the BHs.We really need the Jedi name at some point in the process. The devs at the "FanFest Jedi Focus Group Session" even mentioned that the BH first strike ability makes them equal to full template Jedi in power (which is a fallacy in itself). Well, it is kinda hard to have first strike or any kind of advantage when you have to be almost on top of the Jedi to know who he is!!!Please make the name of the Jedi available after the Arakyd probe reports the planet location. This would resolve a lot of issues and still stop the so called griefing by gank squads, targeting specific Jedi etc., etc.
Your conclusion, that the name should be given after the Arakyd reports the planet location, does not follow directly from your observations. Giving the name so soon would certainly bring back the bottom feeding, and maybe even more bad things that this patch stamps out. A proper conclusion from your observations, that fixes the problem you are referring to without breaking anything else, is that the name should be given when you are within 500m of your mark's waypoint. That's still outside radar range so you continue exploiting server lag to make the most of your first strike, but because you're only minutes away from attacking, you are still tempted to go for it instead of dropping the mission (aka bottom feeding).
Wrong....minutes or seconds away....if I don't stand a chance...I'll drop it as soon as I can click "abort mission".
so you want a profession that is all reward and no risk? must be so scary after patch 20 that the mark you come upon may actually want a fight eh?
I have NO doubt they want a fight when FRS is live...but they NEVER want a fair fight....that's the truth and everyone knows it.
I will NEVER drop MBH...but that doesn't mean I have to hunt Jedi. It's my choice as a MBH. It WAS the choice of EVERYONE who ever decided to become a Jedi...we were supoose to be able to kill you on the ROAD to Knight. Despite what you THINK...I don't need a "no risk" profession....however, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE JEDI PROFESSION HAS HAD>
Quickfire04
Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:22 pm
#62
Tucheck wrote:
Quickfire04 wrote:
Tucheck wrote:
Zorron wrote:
Tanks wrote:
Finally got on TC to test.I got the mission and started tracking.When I finally got to the Jedi he was fighting Giant Worts. He was alone, but I simulated regular hunting as most will be with groups and tried to target him via tabbing.It took me several seconds to TAB over to him. The Jedi knew I was after him before I could even target him. The smart Jedi will start running way before I would be able to target him in most situations. Now, add the fact that /duel is used almost exclusively in most situations to figure out a bounty target by the Jedi, he will know before the BHs.We really need the Jedi name at some point in the process. The devs at the "FanFest Jedi Focus Group Session" even mentioned that the BH first strike ability makes them equal to full template Jedi in power (which is a fallacy in itself). Well, it is kinda hard to have first strike or any kind of advantage when you have to be almost on top of the Jedi to know who he is!!!Please make the name of the Jedi available after the Arakyd probe reports the planet location. This would resolve a lot of issues and still stop the so called griefing by gank squads, targeting specific Jedi etc., etc.
Your conclusion, that the name should be given after the Arakyd reports the planet location, does not follow directly from your observations. Giving the name so soon would certainly bring back the bottom feeding, and maybe even more bad things that this patch stamps out. A proper conclusion from your observations, that fixes the problem you are referring to without breaking anything else, is that the name should be given when you are within 500m of your mark's waypoint. That's still outside radar range so you continue exploiting server lag to make the most of your first strike, but because you're only minutes away from attacking, you are still tempted to go for it instead of dropping the mission (aka bottom feeding).
Wrong....minutes or seconds away....if I don't stand a chance...I'll drop it as soon as I can click "abort mission".
so you want a profession that is all reward and no risk? must be so scary after patch 20 that the mark you come upon may actually want a fight eh?
I have NO doubt they want a fight when FRS is live...but they NEVER want a fair fight....that's the truth and everyone knows it.
I will NEVER drop MBH...but that doesn't mean I have to hunt Jedi. It's my choice as a MBH. It WAS the choice of EVERYONE who ever decided to become a Jedi...we were supoose to be able to kill you on the ROAD to Knight. Despite what you THINK...I don't need a "no risk" profession....however, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE JEDI PROFESSION HAS HAD>
Actually your wrong I have a Jedi and I will fight any bh who comes with my mission. I love to pvp and I dont care if they bring 2-3 friends it doesnt matter to me just makes it more of a challenge. Now look BH is a dangerous profession, after all your attempting to kill someone that is dangerous. there is supposed to be some risk involved in being a bh. Just like there is risk being involved in being a jedi. If your angry because you can no longer 2 shot padawans thats not my fault.
aekeem
Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:22 pm
#63
Quickfire04 wrote:
Tucheck wrote:
Zorron wrote:
Tanks wrote:
Finally got on TC to test.
I got the mission and started tracking.
When I finally got to the Jedi he was fighting Giant Worts. He was alone, but I simulated regular hunting as most will be with groups and tried to target him via tabbing.
It took me several seconds to TAB over to him. The Jedi knew I was after him before I could even target him. The smart Jedi will start running way before I would be able to target him in most situations. Now, add the fact that /duel is used almost exclusively in most situations to figure out a bounty target by the Jedi, he will know before the BHs.
We really need the Jedi name at some point in the process. The devs at the "FanFest Jedi Focus Group Session" even mentioned that the BH first strike ability makes them equal to full template Jedi in power (which is a fallacy in itself). Well, it is kinda hard to have first strike or any kind of advantage when you have to be almost on top of the Jedi to know who he is!!!
Please make the name of the Jedi available after the Arakyd probe reports the planet location. This would resolve a lot of issues and still stop the so called griefing by gank squads, targeting specific Jedi etc., etc.
Your conclusion, that the name should be given after the Arakyd reports the planet location, does not follow directly from your observations. Giving the name so soon would certainly bring back the bottom feeding, and maybe even more bad things that this patch stamps out. A proper conclusion from your observations, that fixes the problem you are referring to without breaking anything else, is that the name should be given when you are within 500m of your mark's waypoint. That's still outside radar range so you continue exploiting server lag to make the most of your first strike, but because you're only minutes away from attacking, you are still tempted to go for it instead of dropping the mission (aka bottom feeding).
Wrong....minutes or seconds away....if I don't stand a chance...I'll drop it as soon as I can click "abort mission".
so you want a profession that is all reward and no risk? must be so scary after patch 20 that the mark you come upon may actually want a fight eh?
wait so you're saying that a few credits that areearnedby being at the keyboardis a better reward than getting a godly pvp and pve toon that can be used not only to earn credits(unfortunately you might actually have to sit and play your toon tho to kill a high level npc) but to alsohave a disgusting advantage over other players in 1v1 pvp, all of which you gained while being away from your keyboard running a macro for 10 days(less if you've still got your respec or if they turn on double xp again)
aekeem
Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:23 pm
#64
Quickfire04 wrote:
Tucheck wrote:
Quickfire04 wrote:
Tucheck wrote:
Zorron wrote:
Tanks wrote:
Finally got on TC to test.
I got the mission and started tracking.
When I finally got to the Jedi he was fighting Giant Worts. He was alone, but I simulated regular hunting as most will be with groups and tried to target him via tabbing.
It took me several seconds to TAB over to him. The Jedi knew I was after him before I could even target him. The smart Jedi will start running way before I would be able to target him in most situations. Now, add the fact that /duel is used almost exclusively in most situations to figure out a bounty target by the Jedi, he will know before the BHs.
We really need the Jedi name at some point in the process. The devs at the "FanFest Jedi Focus Group Session" even mentioned that the BH first strike ability makes them equal to full template Jedi in power (which is a fallacy in itself). Well, it is kinda hard to have first strike or any kind of advantage when you have to be almost on top of the Jedi to know who he is!!!
Please make the name of the Jedi available after the Arakyd probe reports the planet location. This would resolve a lot of issues and still stop the so called griefing by gank squads, targeting specific Jedi etc., etc.
Your conclusion, that the name should be given after the Arakyd reports the planet location, does not follow directly from your observations. Giving the name so soon would certainly bring back the bottom feeding, and maybe even more bad things that this patch stamps out. A proper conclusion from your observations, that fixes the problem you are referring to without breaking anything else, is that the name should be given when you are within 500m of your mark's waypoint. That's still outside radar range so you continue exploiting server lag to make the most of your first strike, but because you're only minutes away from attacking, you are still tempted to go for it instead of dropping the mission (aka bottom feeding).
Wrong....minutes or seconds away....if I don't stand a chance...I'll drop it as soon as I can click "abort mission".
so you want a profession that is all reward and no risk? must be so scary after patch 20 that the mark you come upon may actually want a fight eh?
I have NO doubt they want a fight when FRS is live...but they NEVER want a fair fight....that's the truth and everyone knows it.
I will NEVER drop MBH...but that doesn't mean I have to hunt Jedi. It's my choice as a MBH. It WAS the choice of EVERYONE who ever decided to become a Jedi...we were supoose to be able to kill you on the ROAD to Knight. Despite what you THINK...I don't need a "no risk" profession....however, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE JEDI PROFESSION HAS HAD>
Actually your wrong I have a Jedi and I will fight any bh who comes with my mission. I love to pvp and I dont care if they bring 2-3 friends it doesnt matter to me just makes it more of a challenge. Now look BH is a dangerous profession, after all your attempting to kill someone that is dangerous. there is supposed to be some risk involved in being a bh. Just like there is risk being involved in being a jedi. If your angry because you can no longer 2 shot padawans thats not my fault.
you have a jedi?
your completely unbiased arguements led me to believe you were a bounty hunter
Tucheck
Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:33 pm
#65
Quickfire04 wrote:
Tucheck wrote:
Quickfire04 wrote:
Tucheck wrote:
Zorron wrote:
Tanks wrote:
Finally got on TC to test.I got the mission and started tracking.When I finally got to the Jedi he was fighting Giant Worts. He was alone, but I simulated regular hunting as most will be with groups and tried to target him via tabbing.It took me several seconds to TAB over to him. The Jedi knew I was after him before I could even target him. The smart Jedi will start running way before I would be able to target him in most situations. Now, add the fact that /duel is used almost exclusively in most situations to figure out a bounty target by the Jedi, he will know before the BHs.We really need the Jedi name at some point in the process. The devs at the "FanFest Jedi Focus Group Session" even mentioned that the BH first strike ability makes them equal to full template Jedi in power (which is a fallacy in itself). Well, it is kinda hard to have first strike or any kind of advantage when you have to be almost on top of the Jedi to know who he is!!!Please make the name of the Jedi available after the Arakyd probe reports the planet location. This would resolve a lot of issues and still stop the so called griefing by gank squads, targeting specific Jedi etc., etc.
Your conclusion, that the name should be given after the Arakyd reports the planet location, does not follow directly from your observations. Giving the name so soon would certainly bring back the bottom feeding, and maybe even more bad things that this patch stamps out. A proper conclusion from your observations, that fixes the problem you are referring to without breaking anything else, is that the name should be given when you are within 500m of your mark's waypoint. That's still outside radar range so you continue exploiting server lag to make the most of your first strike, but because you're only minutes away from attacking, you are still tempted to go for it instead of dropping the mission (aka bottom feeding).
Wrong....minutes or seconds away....if I don't stand a chance...I'll drop it as soon as I can click "abort mission".
so you want a profession that is all reward and no risk? must be so scary after patch 20 that the mark you come upon may actually want a fight eh?
I have NO doubt they want a fight when FRS is live...but they NEVER want a fair fight....that's the truth and everyone knows it.
I will NEVER drop MBH...but that doesn't mean I have to hunt Jedi. It's my choice as a MBH. It WAS the choice of EVERYONE who ever decided to become a Jedi...we were supoose to be able to kill you on the ROAD to Knight. Despite what you THINK...I don't need a "no risk" profession....however, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE JEDI PROFESSION HAS HAD>
Actually your wrong I have a Jedi and I will fight any bh who comes with my mission. I love to pvp and I dont care if they bring 2-3 friends it doesnt matter to me just makes it more of a challenge. Now look BH is a dangerous profession, after all your attempting to kill someone that is dangerous. there is supposed to be some risk involved in being a bh. Just like there is risk being involved in being a jedi. If your angry because you can no longer 2 shot padawans thats not my fault.
Where do you guys GET this stuff?! Two shot a Padawan...I guess I forgot my 1300 max damage Advanced Laser Rifle when they were giving them out. MOST "low level" Padawans (80K - 120K) are more dangerous then the "higher" (140K - 200K) Jedi.
So NOW you say you wouldn't care if 2 - 3 BHs came after you at the same time. I would like to thank you for proving my point. If yoou WELCOME 2 - 3 BHs at the same time, I guess it's VERY safe to say you will NEVER fear a 1 vs. 1.
As for the "risk" of being a BH....where was the risk of being a Jedi? What the hell happened to that. Fully templated Jedi in less then 10 days (most spent AFK)....give me a break. Truth be told, most Jedi don't deserve the "power" they have, and they sure as hell don't deserve to be hunted by me.
If I had the mission credits for EVERY Jedi that ever decided to fight me long enough to see they would lose, run into a house and tell me to come back for them in 3 or 4 days, becuase THEN they would be "ready"...I'd be one of the richest players on my server.
You want me to hunt you....but what have you done to deserve it?