Bounty Hunter Archive

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RemoMoxey wrote:

2)The recruiter "bug" is NOT a bug. You can thank Thunderheart for this one (he never liked the old TEF system). This is NOT a bug or exploit. When they changed the TEF system into the new on leave/combatant/special forces system this was implimented so late arrivals for base defense could actually help defend. Faction recruiters are allowable conversations while in combat because if you are attacked by a random spawn MOB by the base you must kill that MOB before you could declare (and if you're a healer type, that's not good). That's also why it only takes 30 seconds to go overt now, so participation in the GCW was easier for all.

Quit crying about bugs/exploits, especially when said "bugs/exploits" are working EXACTLY as intended. Also, try reading ALL the patch notes before posting.The faction recruiter change was postedwhen the TEF system changed (to aid in participation of the GCW).

Adapt, that's what "GOOD" BHs do. Obviously there's a lot of "HORRIBLE" BHs out there

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I would like to point out that the jedi are not using this faction recruiter change to "aid in participation of the GCW". They are using a function put in place to "aid in participation of the GCW" in order to avoid death. That is what an exploit is.

I will agree that the way the recruiter is working is not a bug. The way Jedi are using it to avoid death is. But I dont believe that it is working "EXACTLY as intended".

So to you Jedi out there:

Kick Ass, that's what "GOOD"Jedi do. Obviously there's a lot of "HORRIBLE"Jedi out there

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Natania wrote:

1 - I could be crazy but where does it say that BH prof. is part of the law enforcement?

Do you even know what a bounty hunter is?They hunt criminals. You know, people that are wanted for crimes. This would make usa part of the law enforcement. Every mission we take has a description of the target and what crime they've committed. However, there's probably many people that think we're just hitmen.

2 - Never said my money negates your money did I? I said a paying customer has the right to play as they choose meaning you as well.

So that means I can cheat if I want?Cheating is a playing style.

I am not so sure it is an exploit so I dont see the problem. If SOE says it is an exploit than you are absolutely correct in saying that they are not playing by the rules.

The problem is there's too much ambiguity with a lot of this stuff.Yeah,people cry exploit at a lotat stupid things, but some times there's a valid argument. For example, Igot accused of exploiting last week for just shooting someone. They claimed I was running some macro to spamspecials. I still have no clue what theywere talking about.

Look I have no byass to jedi or BH. I am just trying to look at the facts here and be a voice of reason. Who knows what is and what is not an exploit.

Anything that you have to second guess yourself on is more then likely an exploit.

Look, there is nothing that SOE can do to make everyone happy and we must come to grips with this.

I don't have to come to grips with anything. There should always be a constant strive to improve the game. If something is broken, I want it fixed.

If they add or change something it may make a majority of the player base happy but there will be others that are not, and vice versa. I understand where your coming from, I have had exploits(or what I thought were exploits) used on me but what can you do.

Report them to a CSR that probably doesn't care because they're just drawing a paycheck.

There will always be that person to break the rules and there is nothing we can do about it unfortunately.

There can always be something done about it. People get away withstuff because of an apathetic attitude by a large player base and some of the development team.

I try to just shrug it off and remember that this is just a game and move on. It sure is. There's many times thought that I feel like I'm pissing money away on it.

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Phaylen wrote:

I believe I've made a strong arguement that entering the base while teffed is an exploit.

1) No reference is made to Private structures. Thus its assumed to be any structure a player can place, as not all player buildings have privacy options.

First off, get your eyes or your brain checked. Player structure. Not GCW structure, but player structure. Common sense says House, Guildhall, City hall, Factory (not applicable, but still a player structure) and POB vessel.

That being said, hunting your own faction is a perfectly acceptable (if scummy and cowardly) tactic that will prevent this. It might be a bit more adult to simply accept that some people just don't want to deal with bounty hunter ambushes.

Note: The adult card works both ways - Jedi who mouth off and then hide in a base deserve any XP loss they get when a BH catches them outside.

2) CSR's are currently REMOVING Jedi who enter thebase with a bhtef. In my experience its about a 50% chanceyou'll get one to come in gameand take action, which is pretty good odds all things considered.

Let me tell 'ya a little story about what CSR's are doing. Once upon a time I submit a ticket saying essentially that "My character is missing one of her 10 lots. Please help." <---- That's the abridged version.

First CSR closes the ticket within the hour with their standard "Sorry, can't help" hotkeyed email. Having grown accustomed to SOE's abysmall CSR department, I copied and pasted from my notes field (sad that I've learned to do that, huh?) the original ticket and submitted it again.

2nd CSR did look at the issue, and fixed my character.

The moral to this quaint little tale is this: CSR's make mistakes. Often. Citing their practices as evidence is a lot like basing science off a roulette wheel. It's just not wise.

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Natania wrote:

1 - I could be crazy but where does it say that BH prof. is part of the law enforcement?

Do you even know what a bounty hunter is?They hunt criminals. You know, people that are wanted for crimes.

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Sorry, had to take exception to this.

Bounty hunters hunt BOUNTIES, not criminals. Yes - it's true.

Bounty hunters are no more connected with law enforcement than two bit hitmen are. A person puts up money for a target's capture or death - regardless of reason, and the bounty hunter goes to collect the money by performing the assigned task.

Incidently, that's why they're not called "Criminal hunters".

Fix yourself.

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BrynnQel-Droma wrote:

Two things.

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Phaylen wrote:

I believe I've made a strong arguement that entering the base while teffed is an exploit.

1) No reference is made to Private structures. Thus its assumed to be any structure a player can place, as not all player buildings have privacy options.

First off, get your eyes or your brain checked. Player structure. Not GCW structure, but player structure. Common sense says House, Guildhall, City hall, Factory (not applicable, but still a player structure) and POB vessel.

That being said, hunting your own faction is a perfectly acceptable (if scummy and cowardly) tactic that will prevent this. It might be a bit more adult to simply accept that some people just don't want to deal with bounty hunter ambushes.

Note: The adult card works both ways - Jedi who mouth off and then hide in a base deserve any XP loss they get when a BH catches them outside.

2) CSR's are currently REMOVING Jedi who enter thebase with a bhtef. In my experience its about a 50% chanceyou'll get one to come in gameand take action, which is pretty good odds all things considered.

Let me tell 'ya a little story about what CSR's are doing. Once upon a time I submit a ticket saying essentially that "My character is missing one of her 10 lots. Please help." <---- That's the abridged version.

First CSR closes the ticket within the hour with their standard "Sorry, can't help" hotkeyed email. Having grown accustomed to SOE's abysmall CSR department, I copied and pasted from my notes field (sad that I've learned to do that, huh?) the original ticket and submitted it again.

2nd CSR did look at the issue, and fixed my character.

The moral to this quaint little tale is this: CSR's make mistakes. Often. Citing their practices as evidence is a lot like basing science off a roulette wheel. It's just not wise.

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Phaylen wrote:

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this is from patch 20...

Galactic Civil War (GCW)

• Reduce Temporary Enemy Flag (TEF) timer to 2.5 minutes.
• Combat between a bounty hunter and a Jedi for which the bounty hunter has a bounty mission will result in a "bounty hunter TEF". No other TEF (such as factional TEF, for example) is applied. The "bounty hunter TEF" will prevent both the bounty hunter and Jedi from entering player structures, and will eject the player from a player structure if the TEF is received while the player is in the player structure.
• Guild war PVP no longer results in a TEF, unless the combatants are a bounty hunter and a Jedi for which the bounty hunter has a bounty mission, in which case it will result in a "bounty hunter TEF".
• Opposing factional TEF and "bounty hunter TEF" are applied to both combatants as soon as any of the combatants attacks.

please look at line 2... player structures.. not all structures.. so again this is not a bug nor a exploit..

i have hunted many jedi who run into bases.. it is my fault they got away.. not the game nor the jedi.. get over it..

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Thanks for backing up my point. Player structures, as in any structure a player can drop. There is no mention of PRIVATE structures, which would indicate a player structure with PRIVACY settings. It's very clear.

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Natania wrote:

TheRoninCorp Wrote:

You can go back to your own forum now. Point is that they can RUN get on a bike, high tail it, scream like a little girl while doing it, beg, ect ect ect ect to avoid the fight... they HOWEVER should not be allowed to enter ANY building while TEFFED! Got it yet? Its a exploit. Even FP bases.. And this whole well its a game crud you are spewing is correct ITS A GAME in which Jedi get on the terms, BH hunt them, and there are rules or machanics that should work. Part of PLAYING a GAME is to WIN isn't it? Or are you someone that plays monopoly and gives your self interest free loans when some one is not looking?

Wow! Maybe you are one of those persons who takes a game way too serious. First of all you assume I am a Jedi and not a BH. When you assume you are sometimes wrong. Secondly, that is real mature of you to say "scream like a little girl while doing it, beg, ect ect ect ect to avoid the fight..." Real mature buddy!!! I find that a little offensive as I am female but I will take it from where its coming from. You just proved what kind of person you are. Also, have you seen the other posts in this thread? Please prove to me it is an exploit. Finally, yes I do play to win but as in real life, you can't win them all. You need to know how to loose before you can ever be a winner and by the way you wrote your post it seems like you don't know how to lose. It is people like you that give certain professions a bad rap. This thread had mainly mature posts and everyone had some very intelligent and meaningful things to say now you come and do this. Have a nice day!!!

Natania

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BrynnQel-Droma wrote:

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Vandent wrote:

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Natania wrote:

1 - I could be crazy but where does it say that BH prof. is part of the law enforcement?

Do you even know what a bounty hunter is?They hunt criminals. You know, people that are wanted for crimes.

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Sorry, had to take exception to this.

Bounty hunters hunt BOUNTIES, not criminals. Yes - it's true.

Bounty hunters are no more connected with law enforcement than two bit hitmen are. A person puts up money for a target's capture or death - regardless of reason, and the bounty hunter goes to collect the money by performing the assigned task.

Incidently, that's why they're not called "Criminal hunters".

Fix yourself.

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Hahaha! Had to go there. Very well, I'll show you why your example holds wateras well asa sieve.

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Phaylen wrote:

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Bounty hunters hunt BOUNTIES, not criminals. A person puts up money for a target's capture or death - regardless of reason, and the bounty hunter goes to collect the money by performing the assigned task.

Incidently, that's why they're not called "Criminal hunters".

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In the US, bounty hunters hunt criminals.The bounty is issued by a bondsmen. If a the criminal runs for it, thebondsmen is out the bond.The bounty is a% ofthe bond if the bh hauls the bondjumper back in. It is legal for bh's to operate in the US in this fasion. However, it is most certainly illegalfor someone to ask for a hit against someone.

In the US, bounty hunters again hunt BOUNTIES. The bounty is issued by a bail bondsman - and the bondsman does not care whether or not the person on whom he's placed the bounty is guilty or not, nor can he label a person "criminal".

You see, the reason the bondsman places the bounty is that the fleeing party has COST him money. The bondsman has lost money because the fleeying party failed to appear in court when he was out of jail on bail, hence the term BAIL bondsman.

In no way is the bondsman connected to the government. He (or she) is a privately held business profitting off the misfortune of others. It's not about hunting criminals, it's about getting the accused to appear in court, thus getting the bail bondsman his money.

In SWG, a bh hunts criminals as well. A person with a bounty offer comes to the bh guild. The guild confirms the bounty, and issues it to the bh terminal. Thedescriptions of ALL bounties issued on the terminal makereference to illegal activities and criminals.

In SWG, however, a bh hunts jedi. This is a sad state of affairs in the game, as "criminals" are by and large overlooked. I've read the description of hundreds of missions, and the reality is that most missions are posted by some guy who has a vendetta (either due because he's bitter that he wasn't force sensitive, or because he saw a jedi in passing - you should read them sometime. It's almost like reading this forum).

So to paint your description in a more accurate light, I'll re-phrase and edit out the false statements.

"In SWG, a BH hunts jedi. A person offers money to the BH guild. The guild takes the money, and puts the jedi on the terminal. The descriptions of all bounties has text - some of them might contain criminal activities, and many of them do not."

I'd start reading through those descriptions a little more carefully if I were you.

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