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Thread: Same Faction Hunting is Now Required if you want to complete your mission
TheRav12 wrote:
RemoMoxey wrote:
2)The recruiter "bug" is NOT a bug. You can thank Thunderheart for this one (he never liked the old TEF system). This is NOT a bug or exploit. When they changed the TEF system into the new on leave/combatant/special forces system this was implimented so late arrivals for base defense could actually help defend. Faction recruiters are allowable conversations while in combat because if you are attacked by a random spawn MOB by the base you must kill that MOB before you could declare (and if you're a healer type, that's not good). That's also why it only takes 30 seconds to go overt now, so participation in the GCW was easier for all.
Quit crying about bugs/exploits, especially when said "bugs/exploits" are working EXACTLY as intended. Also, try reading ALL the patch notes before posting.The faction recruiter change was postedwhen the TEF system changed (to aid in participation of the GCW).
Adapt, that's what "GOOD" BHs do. Obviously there's a lot of "HORRIBLE" BHs out there
I would like to point out that the jedi are not using this faction recruiter change to "aid in participation of the GCW". They are using a function put in place to "aid in participation of the GCW" in order to avoid death. That is what an exploit is.
I will agree that the way the recruiter is working is not a bug. The way Jedi are using it to avoid death is. But I dont believe that it is working "EXACTLY as intended".
So to you Jedi out there:
Kick Ass, that's what "GOOD"Jedi do. Obviously there's a lot of "HORRIBLE"Jedi out there
Message Edited by RemoMoxey on 08-30-2005 02:46 AM
Sorry, had to take exception to this.
Bounty hunters hunt BOUNTIES, not criminals. Yes - it's true.
Bounty hunters are no more connected with law enforcement than two bit hitmen are. A person puts up money for a target's capture or death - regardless of reason, and the bounty hunter goes to collect the money by performing the assigned task.
Incidently, that's why they're not called "Criminal hunters".
Fix yourself.
Natania, with all my respect towards you, i believe that u are wrong. Ihave a Master Powers Master Enhancer jedi toon, and a MBH too. I enjoy both, and until now, any Bh could kill me cause my template is designed for escape. The only way a BH can kill me is while i am grinding and a critter has KDed me. In a fight Vs a Bh i can escape i repeat u again because my template gives me many advantages for this. I can choose daze and say Bye, or FR· and cloak, and Nobody can say me that i am exploiting or such thing. Other thing is if i am master LS master defender, i am a true warrior LOL! why escape if my temp is done for toughest combat. I hunt jedi and i understand when he uses FR and cloak , that things are his weapons, but i dont find any sense in hide in a factional base when the things goes bad for u.
And is true if u can maintain a conversation with a carbine firing u at full rate, its no real. I am completely agree that its an exp`loit that devs didnt see andthey will fix it.
"Always is a pleasure, to meet a jedi..."
The 0 lot and 0 maintenence cost should clue you in on that. IF the base was a player strructure, it would use lots AND have a maintenance cost.
Sorry to keep replying to your posts:
How easy do we (MBHs) want it? Gosh, I thought Jedi were 1.5x more powerful .... how easy do YOU want it.
If you are 1.5x more powerful, then two experienced PvPers, 1 Jedi, 1MBH should clearly go to Jedi.
The problem is most of the Jedi ilk these days are AFK-Double-XP-Grinders with no PvP ability.
Once a BH attacks, the Jedi shouldn't be able to go into ANY building, unless the BH can go in with him.
Don't want to be hunted, don't be a Jedi.
I know you pay your $15/month too, or their parents do, either way ..... BHs hunt Jedi, don't wanna deal with BHs don't be Jedi.
Wanna be Jedi? Deal with BHs
In the US, bounty hunters hunt criminals.The bounty is issued by a bondsmen. If a the criminal runs for it, thebondsmen is out the bond.The bounty is a% ofthe bond if the bh hauls the bondjumper back in. It is legal for bh's to operate in the US in this fasion. However, it is most certainly illegalfor someone to ask for a hit against someone.
In the US, bounty hunters again hunt BOUNTIES. The bounty is issued by a bail bondsman - and the bondsman does not care whether or not the person on whom he's placed the bounty is guilty or not, nor can he label a person "criminal".
You see, the reason the bondsman places the bounty is that the fleeing party has COST him money. The bondsman has lost money because the fleeying party failed to appear in court when he was out of jail on bail, hence the term BAIL bondsman.
In no way is the bondsman connected to the government. He (or she) is a privately held business profitting off the misfortune of others. It's not about hunting criminals, it's about getting the accused to appear in court, thus getting the bail bondsman his money.
In SWG, a bh hunts criminals as well. A person with a bounty offer comes to the bh guild. The guild confirms the bounty, and issues it to the bh terminal. Thedescriptions of ALL bounties issued on the terminal makereference to illegal activities and criminals.
In SWG, however, a bh hunts jedi. This is a sad state of affairs in the game, as "criminals" are by and large overlooked. I've read the description of hundreds of missions, and the reality is that most missions are posted by some guy who has a vendetta (either due because he's bitter that he wasn't force sensitive, or because he saw a jedi in passing - you should read them sometime. It's almost like reading this forum).
So to paint your description in a more accurate light, I'll re-phrase and edit out the false statements.
"In SWG, a BH hunts jedi. A person offers money to the BH guild. The guild takes the money, and puts the jedi on the terminal. The descriptions of all bounties has text - some of them might contain criminal activities, and many of them do not."
I'd start reading through those descriptions a little more carefully if I were you.
Sorry to say this, but you are flat out wrong. If someone does not show up to court, (bail jumps) they have brokenthe law and a warrent is issued for their arrest. They may be innocent of the crime they have been accused of, however as soon as the run for it, they have committed a NEW CRIME. Therefor,a bounty hunter in the US is ALWAYS hunting a criminal.
The law of thegalaxy (Imperial Law) states all Jedi are an enemy of the republic.(CRIMINALS, kill on sight, ect) It means nothingto the bh guild the reason why some schmo issues a bounty on aCRIMINAL, they will happilyissue the bouny as soon as they confirm that it is in fact a Jedi (CRIMINAL).
BrynnQel-Droma wrote:
In the US, bounty hunters again hunt BOUNTIES. The bounty is issued by a bail bondsman - and the bondsman does not care whether or not the person on whom he's placed the bounty is guilty or not, nor can he label a person "criminal".
In no way is the bondsman connected to the government. He (or she) is a privately held business profitting off the misfortune of others. It's not about hunting criminals, it's about getting the accused to appear in court, thus getting the bail bondsman his money.
Incorrect. The actual connection of a bounty hunter to local government and law enforcement varies from state to state, and the degree and manner in which the applicable laws are written. Bounty hunters do not in fact act upon the decision of a Bail Bondsman. If Bob the Bail Bondsman tells, for example, Dog, to go find Ted Bundy, and drag him back to the offices of Bob's Bonds, Inc., Dog would be in an extremely actionable position should he follow said order.
However, if Ted should miss his court date, a bench warrant or summons will be issued for him to appear immediately. At this point, Dog gets a call from Bob saying that Ted is a lowlife deadbeat that needs to be brought back the county lock up because he's violated the terms of his bail. Which is illegal. In this case, pursuant to the laws of the state in which Dog is operating and possibly licensed, Dog can go kick in your grandmama's door because maybe Ted is hiding upstairs in the attic, drag Ted out of the house, and turn him over to the custody of a LEO, or Law Enforcement Officer. This is due to various loopholes and issues surrounding the laws that Leo must follow, but Dog is not bound to; to wit, a LEO must get probable cause, a warrant, etc, because he is acting as part of the government. Dog is a private individual, and as such is only required to adhere to those standards the state requires. In some cases, this means that Dog can violate the rights of a bounty, because said bounty entered into a contract with Bob the Bail Bondsman guaranting that he would appear, and that a breach of said contract guarantees he will not hold liable any hunter sent to enforce compliance with the resulting court order to appear.Grandma, not having any such contract, may have some rights to compensation against Dog and Bob depending on the state laws applicable and the facts prevalent in the case.
In short... A bounty hunter is not connected in a sense that he does not work for the government, true. However, his profession is regulated in all states depending upon the applicable laws. He cannot act without a valid summons or warrant. (A Bail Bondsman, however, may seek civil litigation should for some reason a judge decide not to pursue a defendant's lack of appearance. Which is highly improbable.) If skipping out on your debt, or owing someone a large sum of money allowed other people to be hunted down, and dragged into lockup, you find that most college graduates would be hiding under assumed names.
There are strict legal requirements that must be met before a person becomes a bounty. At that point, the bounty hunter then enforces the person's appearance by finding them, and bringing them to the attention of LEOs who will take him into custody and likely charge him with failure to appear. The hunter does not bring the bounty back to the bail bondsmen because, in any case, it is unlikely he will get his money back from the bounty. The bail bondsmen will be reimbursed by the property or other guarantee the bounty put forth when the bail bondsman and the bounty initiated the agreement.
And as far as Star Wars...
In the canon films, bounty hunters are shown to work for the Empire as direct agents of Lord Vader. This is law enforcement, from the Galactic Empire's point of view.
Bounty Hunters also enforce the will of warlords. Tatooine is more ruled by Jabba the Hutt than the Empire, although this changes (much to Jabba's annoyance) because of an escape pod, two droids, an old man, a smuggler, and a farmboy. Aiding the local warlord, from the point of view that the warlord is the only government available, counts as law enforcement. (Even if the laws are poor, and from the view of an enlightened democracy, are not in fact laws.)
Further, West End Games originally held the license for games tied to Star Wars. Much of that original material, approved by LucasArts, and later carried into the d20 WotC system, references Bounty Hunters as licensed. In fact, they are required to comply with several regulations, and carry "Imperial Peace Keeping Certificates." This makes them keepers of the peace. Sounds remarkably like police, doesn't it? Further... "Far from the cold-blooded 'dealers-in-death'... [hunters] go about their daily business of law enforcement, each using their talents and skills to serve the Empire in special ways." That's quoted from Galaxy Guide 10: Bounty Hunters.
While I'm not going to address the "exploit" being discussed, I felt the conversation needed a substantive discussion because IF BOUNTY HUNTERS WERE NOT CONNECTED TO THE LEGAL SYSTEM, THEY WOULD BE SUED EVERY TIME THEY KICKED IN A DOOR. And lose. In fact, you may remember a few cases where bounty hunters kicked in the wrong door... and caused people to die of a massive heart attack. The truth is, real bounty hunters are mired in a legal morass and aided by the general ignorance of those people they hunt. And SW bounty hunters... are fictional. But the fiction should be consistent. Unfortunately, there is no way because Han Solo couldn't "log out". (Sidenote: Why is it that the only canonical bounty hunt we saw involved a smuggler, not the jedi? Maybe smugglers should be important? naaaah.)
Message Edited by LysandaKasmi on 08-30-2005 02:18 PM
NjallParker wrote:
Whacked wrote:
Bases are not player structures.
The 0 lot and 0 maintenence cost should clue you in on that. IF the base was a player strructure, it would use lots AND have a maintenance cost.What of multiplayers ships in this case ? I don't remember using a lot or paying maintenance for a YT1300 : would it mean that a Jedi can escape this way ?
I have a easy solution : remove the Jedis from the GCW.That way, there would be : civilian, on leave members, combattant members, spec force members and Jedi.A Jedi would only be able to PvP with other Jedis or a BH who is hunting him.A Jedi wouldn't be able to enter any base.
Ummm, for all intent and purposes, JTL is a entirely seperate game altogether so your YT1300 comparison is meaningless.
(hate quoting huge posts so hope I trimmed it down correctly)
NjallParker wrote:What of multiplayers ships in this case ? I don't remember using a lot or paying maintenance for a YT1300 : would it mean that a Jedi can escape this way ?
Multi-passenger ships used to take up 1 lot. They changed this in an earlier patch.
Message Edited by ice33b on 08-30-2005 07:26 PM
LysandaKasmi wrote:
just a word - Bounty Hunters may exist in USA, but not UK, and as much as like canadians and americans, the world does not exist around the US lol
and if u are in the US, i will have to request the services of Dog the Bounty hunter to chase u down lol
Message Edited by LysandaKasmi on 08-30-200502:18 PM
Heh. Too true. However, there could be an argument that perhaps George Lucas thought there were BH in the UK... or at least his directors. Ever notice the push to put obviously UK actors into roles in the Empire?
As a side note... Dog has his own reality TV show, and I don't have any outstanding bounties/warrants to make me a valid acquisition.
Wait, late thought... while the UK may not have bounty hunters per se (a result, more than likely, of your legal system and differences in government), historically there have been bounties placed upon different things by noble types. The historical origins of the bounty hunter concept (like so much of modern Western Society) stems from medieval and earlier practices of Europe and the UK.
'Course, if we had a Scottland Yard, we might not have to worry too much about the bhs...