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Thread: FEEDBACK: Jedi Missions No Longer Showing Player Name, or Bounty Payout

wildcard1973
Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:38 am
#53






HoxStarclipper wrote:





wildcard1973 wrote:

Removal of names is kinda good since it prevents the deliberitae greifing of one particular Jedi, and eliminates the ability for Jedi to claim they're being greifed by one BH since mission is luck of the draw.


Not sure on payout removal..does this mean Jedi are now all worth the same, or you won't know how much your getting paid until you complete the mission?


And faction indicators are a must with name removal, to prevent you from accidentally hunting same faction or even guild Jedi.




I agree with all of the above...BUT...it will be a HUGE hassle if we do not have a way to identify if our mark is online and Kash will be next to impossible...If they can find a way to address those two issues I will be ok with it...I don't like the jedi in my guild being hunted specifically by their name...it is not right or fair to the low level paddies.






Simply remove XP gain from anything on Kashyyk. it's an adventure planet,they want to grind choose a grinding planet.



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Lotussutol
Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:40 am
#54






Auraboron wrote:

Tanks is on a sailboat enjoying his vacation, so I'm helping out.


Please channel all reactions to this thread such that there is a focused discussion from which to pass feedback on to the Dev team.







The removing of the names is a direct response to BH taking the same jedi mission over and over and over and over and over.


1. The BH can say well the jedi should avoid getting on the terms

2. The Jedi can say well the devs should change how vis works

3. The Jedi can say the BH is harrassing him by just taking his mission over and over.

4. The BH can say he is just using the system as it was built.



In a sense they are all correct.



SOE though realizes that this does NOT build a happy gaming environment is removing names from the terms.



It is the EASY solution to the problem but it is not the best solution to the problem.



I think a better solution would be a BH can't take a mission on the same Jedi for a week.



That does not address the BH how team up and take the same mission though and for that if they want BH/Jedi to be one on one balance the system so BH/Jedi are on equal terms (except for force ranked jedi) and then make it so that only one BH can attack the Jedi...make it so they are locked in battle until there is an incap/DB. Make it so if no attacks happen in a certain time (2 min) after the initial combat starts the mission fails and the BH can't take the mission again for a week. This would stop opposite aligned alts from protecting the jedi.



Make it so BH can't hunt same faction jedi too...if a BH wants to hunt both factions they should not belong to a faction.
Iwawmi
Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:41 am
#55

its a good idea, if it shows faction



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Epichistonian
Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:43 am
#56

It's gonna stop the griefing, but at the same time give all paddies on kashyyk a wonderful BH free grind to full template. At this point, I don't think the devs have any option other than removing all exp from kashyyk. BH's will no longer be able to feasibly hunt on kashyyk due to this. At least before they could take names down and get the mission, now they get to run all over, hoping they find their mark.





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Itygaar
Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:47 am
#57

this has to be one of the worst ideas ive ever seen! i dont want to hunt guildies or same faction jedi, this would break the BH profession. and i dont want to have to change professions because the devs break BH, its a fun profession! if they do this they should give MBH a token respec or something so we dont have to regrind to another profession because of a stupid decision by the devs



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Wale
Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:51 am
#58

Hate it....You got to be kidding...this is a horrible idea

I like the idea of showing faction

I like the idea of showing online status

But who wants to hunt with no name and no idea how much it is worth


Are all the devs Jedi? Maybe some of them should try some different profs some time.


Phek

Valkyrie36
Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:54 am
#59

Its odd and there should be a compromise especially for the BH who actualy spot their own Jedi (like at the "fill in the blank" jedi grinding spots).


Lets say a BHfinds a Jedi and is able to click on that Jedi and "spot jedi" than head to BH terms and the mission will pop upwith the Jedis name on the first refresh if that Jedi is on the terms.Being able to "spot jedi" should only be shown if that Jedi is doing one of the actions that generate vis nornally (Using saber...force powers).


Than the terms can be without names and such for all others.
Okiv
Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:55 am
#60


This is absolutely rediculous.


The Dev team need to manipulate the marriage system so a master and apprentice can grind with each other without getting viz. The grind will be longer, but IT SHOULD BE.


This is once again the Devs way of copping out and breaking another part of the game instead of fixing Jedi vizibility so that they can grind. I think they realise that the above system can't be abused and would make Jedi actually have to earn their stripes and thats reason enough for them to not do it.


I know that if this system goes through there are a great many bounty hunters who will simply quit. I am one of these bounty hunters. Before any Jedi reply with "you're the kind of bounty hunter we want to quit" : I hunt paddies, not exclusively. I also group hunt the masters, not exclusively. I do not grief Jedi or hate them, this is a game - one which I play for fun.


GRIEFING OF JEDI CANNOT HAPPEN.


If a Jedi gets on the BH terminals, they're fair game. This was emailed to a BH by a dev and posted up on the forums by said BH. This system is working correctly. Instead of breaking this system, actually put some effort in - fix the system that is brokenand give us our moneys worth by making the master / apprentice system and bring back the TEF.


This would mean that Jedi grind together in pairs and have no excuse for getting viz. This would solve as much Jedi/BH hatred as can be solved because no one would have an excuse for the viz.



I am absolutely disgusted with the fact that this could even be considered by the developement team. Its bad enough that a full publish and about 4 or 5 hotfixes go by and the LoS issue hasn't even been addressed let alone fixed, but now they plan on breaking another system that works instead of getting their heads together and fixing a system which has been paid for 10 times over by everyone who has subscribed for more than a month and has been broken since the beginning of time.


Bounty Hunter was a welcome retreat from the lag and Jedi domination of theGCW and the fact that you need Jedi to do almost EVERY dungeon now. It sickens me that even this side of the game is being altered simply because the Devs cannot fix the problems they've already got with the Jedi Vizibility that have been there since time began.


I don't normally let my posts get this heated but I enjoy this game as it is. The concept is the best I've ever heard of for an MMO and the fact that its being ruined even for avid starwars fans who would play the game regardless of implementation is evidence enough that something has to give.


Have one more publish aimed at the Jedi. In this publish:


- fix the LoS exploiting on kash (I don't care how, disable xp, fix every LoS area, but actually do something for our money)


- fix the Jedi Viz system by altering the marriage system. One master, One apprentice. Neither can give the other viz and the master can 'watch over' the apprentice whilst he/she has to grind.



After this publish, go back to fixing the game you're intent on breaking by sorting out other profs rendered useless by the CU, and by giving content to OTHER PROFFESSIONS than BH and Jedi.




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Lotussutol
Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:56 am
#61

How about take the names off but have it so the BH can talk to a few different informants to figure out the name of the jedi...This would take time as you could make it a couple planet hops from what ever planet they are on.


If a BH wants a quick jedi mission they got it...if a BH wants to take the time to get to know his mark he can do that too.


I have been a MBH and I am working on paddy now...I am looking at the problem from both sides and there isn't an easy answer to solve the BH/Jedi problems...the system is not working as is and needs changing.
Bastilaa
Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:56 am
#62

With the fact that a Jedi can no longer take on 2 or more BH at the same time - changes that in fact BH asked for. The removal of the names and payout from the terms was a natural end result. You wanted jedi to be soloable and are now forced to have to solo them.


Many BH asked for Jedi to be nerfed down well they got that wish but at a major cost to the entire BH class, it is sad that a few whinners/abusers in both camps have effectivley removed the high end content that BH vs Jedi should have been.





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Leatherneck_of_Alderaan
Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:57 am
#63

There's one potential reason Jedi shouldn't be too happy with these changes.


Once upon a time, there was a problem with vis clearing properly. Some BH's were nice enough to find out if their mark was taken off the terminals upon DB. In other cases, the Jedi's friends were able to ascertain whether or not vis was cleared.


Removing names removes that possibility.


...unless SOE wants and expects Jedi to stay on the terminals. Not too far fetched given the exp situation.





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neelong
Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:58 am
#64


its actually the 3rd post.... i guess i hit submit too many times without hitting it.

Message Edited by neelong on 07-05-2005 03:03 PM



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Camrux
Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:59 am
#65

I'ma Jedi and I feel that this is a mistake if several other changes are not implemented along with it.


Issues created in Name removal


Kashyyk - creates an almost BH free zone, I would drop a Jedi mission on Kashyyk if the droid came back with this unless I got the name after the bio sig download. Otherwise I would never find my mark there.


Same Faction - Some BH feel strongly that they only want to hunt opposite faction Jedi, this would be a huse time sink and not in a positive way.


Online-Offline Jedi - Without being able to reference a friend list with Jedi on it how would they know who was on or off? Another huge waste of BH time.


Payout removal - I feel that this on it's own would be a great change, it would get some BH's to hunt some of us higer level Jedi as well as taking some of the heat off of the lower ones.


If the end goal of this change is to remove themulti playerteams on aJedithen why not have the terminals only list online players, list faction, and transmit the name to the datapad after speaking to the informant. These additions I feel would be a fair comprimise to the changes headed to BH. The droids would need to be fixed on Kash as well, removing names without the additions I listed above will in effect make going after marks there not worth the time or the effort.



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