Bounty Hunter Archive

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dezi wrote:

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Caelrie wrote:

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dezi wrote:

Really, i could have guessed that.

Previous knowledge of jedi love + SOE's overbearing protection of the golden children = (Obvious Answer) Whatever benefits the jedi more.

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For some reason you feel you should be able to target and shoot an invisible person? I'd love to hear your reasoning on that.

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For some reason, Jedi feel they should have an 'I win' button for any encounter. Id love to hear your reasoning for that.

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Caelrie wrote:

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Giles025 wrote:

I should also add how great it was when all those thousands of Jedi cloaked in the movies. It was especially cool that you never saw them, because they were invisible on the screen...

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Continuity arguments will not help you. No BH ever hunted a Jedi in any of the movies.

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You know George Lucas said that the braids on Bobas outfit were not wookie braids but padawan braids. I'll have to find the quote. It came out around the time of Episode 2 release.

But you only use information that serves your purposes so you wouldn't know this.

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Corvett wrote:

Let's not also forget it was mass armies that killed them too, not a few troops. I also remember a Youngling takeing out a few as well on his own and he is just an intiate. Plus if I am not mistaken BH's also get Duelist Stance and we all know it is Bh's who can stand there and send shots back at the target not Jedior wait do I have that backwards?

Message Edited by Corvett on 06-11-2005 09:53 AM

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Punj wrote:

your both missing the point,the jedi didn't see if coming because it was clones that attacked them and they couldn't "sense" them the same why they could normal beings.

that's most of the reason why the emperor had them made in the first place

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As a BH and a Jedi, I think Cloak is a fine attack. You can't win them all, and neither can a Jedi. Cloak may be some mutant form of Mind trick but it does the job it's meant to do. To make battles a "draw". Of course there are exploits that can be used by both sides to cause damage while cloaked, but that's not heard of too often and that's what should be addressed. While cloaked, and I've tested this, you can't board normal shuttles because you can't talk to a ticket collector, you can't get on mounts of any kind without uncloaking, and the only one I haven't tried is the Starship term(but from what I hear this IS possible and should be fixed I think)

Jedi should be hiding right? what better way to hide than to cloak. If a Jedi cloaks that you have a mission for, tough loss go on to the next mission and maybe you'll have more luck.

cloak = jedi tactic for survival

It is in the game. It is not an exploit and there are ways for BHs to adapt to it's use.

Type /sigh "Guess I lost another Jedi Mark. I guess they're just to smart for me." /kickcan "Man I wish there where some smart none jedi, course if I where smart I'd be a Jedi to. Gosh!"

Then walk away.

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FernGully wrote:

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_Dragonius_ wrote:

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Caelrie wrote:
Eh, being cloaked is like being in a house. The Jedi isn't getting any XP and can't hurt you.

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Your wrong. It does hurt us when a j3d-3y3 runs into a house or cloaks. Its hurts our bank account which is a far worse hurt than dieing.

Message Edited by _Dragonius_ on 06-11-2005 02:04 AM

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well, not quite. doesn't hurt your bank account. It just doesn't grow it any. No harm, no foul.

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That's how it hurts. I'm poor.

Things you can and can't do as acloaked Jedi:

• Can cloak while in combat, providing no creature, npc or player is within the 30m range to the jedi. This of course brings you within almost every Jedi's range attack ability. If they cloak while anything is within this 30m limit this is a bug and should be reported as a possible bug and/or exploit.


• You can not use the ticket terminal


• You can use the Space terminal to escape into space.


• Cloaked jedi can be targeted using the /target command but can not be attacked. Resulting error would be "invalid target".


• AOE attacks can hit a Force Cloaked Jedi if the attack is used near them on another target. Area attacks do full damage to a cloaked Jedi providing the Jedi is in the cone of burst from the area attack. In other words, another creature or npc or even player needs to be the focal point of this area attack and the Jedi suffers fromthe additional cone attack as well. Not 100% positive that this is a bug. Could be the intended game mechanics. Seems plausible that area attack abilities hurt EVERYTHING in their cone regardless of state.


• Grenades with area attack modifier like the cryoband grenade, for instance, can damage cloaked Jedi.


• If a player has their graphics options for player shadows set to "Simple" they can see a Force Cloaked Jedi's shadow (does not happen when set to "Volumetric" ).


• If you log out while Force Cloak is active it will cause everyone near you to CTD.


• Force Cloak will cause you to CTD sometimes if active in heavily populated areas.


• MOB AI can "see" a Jedi with Force Cloak active and will aggro them.


• Due to the above bug, Jedi can still be subject to Contraband Scans while Force Cloaked.


• Combat Medic DOT's can be used to attack a Jedi directly while Force Cloaked. This is a known bug.


• Turrets can target and hit a Force Cloaked Jedi as well.


• Vehicles are counting as "people" when trying to engage Force Cloak and also add to the drain if near the vehicle while Force Cloaked.

Message Edited by Buka_Starwalker on 06-12-2005 01:29 AM

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FernGully wrote:

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WittyNewt wrote:

Jedi cloak seems a well balanced power to me, I would certainy prefer jedi to us this rather than run into a house.

I certainly don't think its an exploit that area attacks hurt a cloaked jedi. After all, my understanding of cloaking is it effects the senses of the watchers to make it appear that the jedi is not there like any other force power on the mind. However, they are still there physically in the world and could be run over by a bus for instance

Its very easy to spot a cloaked jedi anyway and even follow them without the use of target (target- I do think is a bug to be fixed) if you pay attention to the environment and look for the visual environmental artifacts that are still present. Its great fun to spot one, walk up to them and shoot boo! and then deal with the "how did you spot me? exploit exploit" tells afterwards and then explain to them how you did know they were there.

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Well, there actually is a bug regarding being able to "see" cloaked Jedi involving graphics rendering. I don't think its "exploit"able, since you really can't DO anything to them.

*EDIT* Correction, make that multiple bugs.

Message Edited by FernGully on 06-11-2005 10:01 AM

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I am not using an exploit to spot cloaked jedi, I don't resent your suggestion as I didn't explain how I am doing it but I do find it sad that everyones initial response to a "clever trick" nowadays is "exploit exploit". I guess thats just the state of BH vsjediconversation we fidn ourselves in

I am using their shadow to spot them Since Buka_Starwalker has mentioned this lower down in thread I will explain how now.

I like to play with eye candy on as much as I can and so play with simple shadows enabled. Volumetrics just creates too much lag in high traffic areas even on my high end gaming rigs. Simple shadows shows a circular shadow under the cloaked jedi. This shadow moves when the jedi does. If I see a circular shadow on the ground with no visible means of it being generated then its a cloaked jedi. This seems to me a reasonable game mechanic and makes some sense if cloak is meant to work on my mind and convince me the jedi is not there rather than somehow "render the jedis molecules passthru for light"

If the person plays attention to their surroundings then its nice to be able to spot things like that and adds something to the "smart BH" notion

If the jedi is smart then they can use the other shadows to disguise theirs. Of course, not many do this because they are not aware of the shadow leakage in the first place.

I do consider target a bug that needs to be fixed. I should not be able to target something i cant see. Of course I cant do anything with this except follow, but I can do that with shadows anyway. I don't consider AOE attacks effecting cloaked jedi a bug though, sounds correct to me.

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Caelrie wrote:

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Punj wrote:

your both missing the point,the jedi didn't see if coming because it was clones that attacked them and they couldn't "sense" them the same why they could normal beings.

that's most of the reason why the emperor had them made in the first place

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A clone of a normal human being is by definition, a normal human being. Besides, Yoda sensed their intention easily enough.

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Yoda had sensed what was happening to the other Jedi and was ready. The other Jedi didn't sense any malicious intent or motive from the Clones because they were simply carrying out an order. This was all felshed out in the novelization of RotS. Alsofrom what I read in some of the EU, mainly Thrawn's Trilogy, clones have a different sense through the force than originals.

Message Edited by DarthPinoy on 06-12-200504:15 AM

Message Edited by DarthPinoy on 06-12-2005 04:16 AM

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akjedimaster wrote:

Not force claok. I was up close while he cloaked (in db range cause I incaped, but low and behold the timer was too long so he stood up, healed, then cloaked while in combat) and all the way to his safe half way across dantooine.

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Erm I am the jeDIE in question and let me just relate the story in my eyes.

I came to dant to grp hunt with some friends....I started on my first mission and was enjoying myself when i noticed that an incoming dot was coming. Now mind you Usually they are'nt clever bhs..they runin...but this guy was like a B-line to me...decdide to run...I'm CL 63 and at that time had only saber 0100 so not really good offensive power...especially comepared to a CL 80 BH who is anyway competant.(Used to BH and I know how easy it is to kill some1 like me) so off I ran...here is the kicker

Right at that time a damn lizard decided to start biting my ass...he would'nt get off me...I did'nt have a kd with the saber so i could'nt get 20m away from him....if the lizard was'nt there i was safe....POP i got a root on me and a barrage of shots to follow...the lizard is still gnawing at my arse...changed to ALS and return fire...spam heals...whoops KD recovery...spam heals...ouch my ass...inc....

The lizard runs off completely happy with his meal(my ass). Then the BH runs towards me.....I'm dead i think...but then i notice how short my inc timer is........i get ready with heals and pop I'm up i heal i ChargeShot him...he goes down i burst run away from him...he gets up crit shots me but not root i get 20m and cloak.....I sit and channel......

So after that I start talking to him...nice guy and i commend him on his tatics and inform him that i'm more or less safe now...there is a safe house 500m away and i head there. We talk...hes cool...but he's pissed at the outcome....but as I said He's good and I say to him come tomorrow, I'll be on hunt me again..this was fun...but I'm not going to fight ...not yet...I just don't have the offensive power yet. I say to him come back to me in about 3 weeks...I promise him when i get saber 0400 I won't run anymore...we can dance and njoy our talents...He's having none of it...SO i sit in my house and run a channel/Cloak macro i made....an hour and half he sits outside the house...I went away for dinner but he waited...

He was a good BH I enjoyed the hunt. But at that stage I ain't coming out when u overpower me that much.


Anyways, this is just the same story from my perspective. Since I wrote out my story in the BH forums I'm going to write it in the jeDIE forums also.

A parting gift is...If a jeDIE paddie gets to a safe house...just drop the mission and come back the next day. Or don't drop the mission and come back in an hour. But to wait outside a house for 4 hours while you use another computer is just sad. The reason why we hide in a house is because I can hit for max dmg of 300. At a 30% reduction thats 200 dmg done to a BH...I ain't gonna kill you and you lost your chance to kill me. Now walk away and try again another time. Thats what I always did.

Daire
jeDIE paddie/ Ex-MBH

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akjedimaster wrote:

There are quite a few exploits to get out of combat with a bh. I just can't believe the devs handed this one to them on a silver platter! A skill. It's worse than fd.

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Hi again, erm in reply to this....

Its a costly skill, powers 0400, ...I'm sacrificing Master def for that skill also meditate. Like smugglers get Last Ditch. Its a skill thats costly. There ain't many jeDIE out there with +cloak+ on the hotbar.

sry you feel that way.

Daire
jeDIE paddie/ Ex-MBH