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Thread: jedi cloak
JediSkills101 wrote:
Which is an exploit and will be fixed.
Zutono wrote:
Noise_Noise wrote:
Has anyone tested bomb droids, since they were fixed, as a way to break cloak?
They don't break cloak...but they DO damage the target...as do any area attacks done to targets near the mark.
How is it an exploit? Are Jedi that are cloaked somehow invisible to damage? Area attacks and explosions should still hurt a Jedi if they are invisible and to close to the attack. Force cloak, cloaks you from the senses, it does not make you ethereal and impervious to area attacks and damage.
Nathanielstarr wrote:
Caelrie wrote:
Continuity arguments will not help you. No BH ever hunted a Jedi in any of the movies.
Giles025 wrote:
I should also add how great it was when all those thousands of Jedi cloaked in the movies. It was especially cool that you never saw them, because they were invisible on the screen...
You know George Lucas said that the braids on Bobas outfit were not wookie braids but padawan braids. I'll have to find the quote. It came out around the time of Episode 2 release.
But you only use information that serves your purposes so you wouldn't know this.
I think it's silly for you to point out that no jedi cloak in the movies and then rely on something from outside the movies yourself. Don't you?
Caelrie wrote:
Eh, being cloaked is like being in a house. The Jedi isn't getting any XP and can't hurt you.
Your wrong. It does hurt us when a j3d-3y3 runs into a house or cloaks. Its hurts our bank account which is a far worse hurt than dieing.
Message Edited by _Dragonius_ on 06-11-2005 02:04 AM
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_Dragonius_ wrote:
Caelrie wrote:
Eh, being cloaked is like being in a house. The Jedi isn't getting any XP and can't hurt you.
Your wrong. It does hurt us when a j3d-3y3 runs into a house or cloaks. Its hurts our bank account which is far worse hurt than dieing.
That's a pretty big stretch if you ask me.
_Dragonius_ wrote:
Caelrie wrote:
Eh, being cloaked is like being in a house. The Jedi isn't getting any XP and can't hurt you.
Your wrong. It does hurt us when a j3d-3y3 runs into a house or cloaks. Its hurts our bank account which is a far worse hurt than dieing.Message Edited by _Dragonius_ on 06-11-2005 02:04 AM
well, not quite. doesn't hurt your bank account. It just doesn't grow it any. No harm, no foul.
Jedi cloak seems a well balanced power to me, I would certainy prefer jedi to us this rather than run into a house.
I certainly don't think its an exploit that area attacks hurt a cloaked jedi. After all, my understanding of cloaking is it effects the senses of the watchers to make it appear that the jedi is not there like any other force power on the mind. However, they are still there physically in the world and could be run over by a bus for instance 
Its very easy to spot a cloaked jedi anyway and even follow them without the use of target (target- I do think is a bug to be fixed) if you pay attention to the environment and look for the visual environmental artifacts that are still present. Its great fun to spot one, walk up to them and shoot boo! and then deal with the "how did you spot me? exploit exploit" tells afterwards and then explain to them how you did know they were there.
Stikman wrote:
I was fighting a jedi today, quess what happened! He runs out of my range, force cloaks, then logs! He's a lvl 80 and i'm a lvl 80 so this was a fair fight.
Ironically, enough, this encounter was with ME
And it was a good one. Well, not so good for me, but pretty darn good for you. You caught me with my pants down, so to speak, on my bike, about to depart, but loaded with tells and trying to respond. You KDs me to get me off the bike, then proceeded to beat me like a rented mule before I realized what was going on and could get myself together. You even managed to incap me, which I applaud. Appearantly because you were kiting & keeping your distance, you didn't get the DB off in time, tho. For the record, I think the DB timer sucks cause by all accounts, you had me beat.
But, I got up, got my defenses together and my fightin food into my belly, and the "fight" portion of the encounter began. I beat up on you pretty good, but you wisely rooted and got your distance when you got low on health, and continued kiting me. Very smartly played all around. You even asked me if I was rebel, presumeably to avoid killing a fellow faction member, also applaudable.
After I saw that the fight was not going to be easily won with you continuing to root and kite me, I decided that the best thing for me to do was disengage. We were, after all, just outside a very heavily populated starport in peak hours, and the chances of this remaining a 1v1 fight for very long seemed slim. Cloaking was the logical choice for me to us to disengage in this case because of the tactics you were using (kiting me from afar).
After I cloaked and retreated further out away from the starport, you were able to continue to follow me by using /target. In the future, when cloak's many bugs get addressed, this will not be possible, but since you were unable to resume shooting at me, I can accept it. At this point, the tells began. You said something to the effect of "We're both CL80, this is a fair fight, so just fight me", and I explained that it was not in my best interest to continue fighting, and that I had nothing to gain and everything to lose from continuing the fight, so the wise thing for me to do was simply survive and disengage. I congratulated you for a well-fought battle.
You continued to follow me around, saying that you were knew I couldn't keep my cloak up forever, and that you were just going to wait till I ran out of force. Really can't fault you for that strategy, either. My force bar was down to about 40% after the battle and the cloaking, and eventually I would have had to drop it had your persistance remained. So, now I've got a really tough choice. I can stay cloaked, and hope you eventually bugger off before my force bar dies, which seemed like a bad idea. I can try uncloak and fightcha with a 40% force bar, and hope I kill you and no one else shows up. Or, I can just log and play it safe.
Since I had nothing to gain and everything to lose from continuing to fight, I played it safe. From a tactical point of view, I "won" the fight because I survived it. From the developers point of view, YOU won, because you forced me to logoff, not grind, and go play my alt or watch TV or go put a twinkle in my girlfriend's eye (all 3 of which I did
). From your point of view, you neither won nor lost. You don't really lose till you abort the mission, or your mark DBs you, so really, this was just a "delay of game".In any case, I do applaud you. You fought well, and were very civil, and seemed to be respectful of your faction, which are all that can be asked of anyone.
*EDIT*: You did go back and KO my swoop, tho. Oh well, no hard feelings. My bad for leaving it out.
Message Edited by FernGully on 06-11-2005 09:58 AM
WittyNewt wrote:Jedi cloak seems a well balanced power to me, I would certainy prefer jedi to us this rather than run into a house.
I certainly don't think its an exploit that area attacks hurt a cloaked jedi. After all, my understanding of cloaking is it effects the senses of the watchers to make it appear that the jedi is not there like any other force power on the mind. However, they are still there physically in the world and could be run over by a bus for instance
Its very easy to spot a cloaked jedi anyway and even follow them without the use of target (target- I do think is a bug to be fixed) if you pay attention to the environment and look for the visual environmental artifacts that are still present. Its great fun to spot one, walk up to them and shoot boo!
Well, there actually is a bug regarding being able to "see" cloaked Jedi involving graphics rendering. I don't think its "exploit"able, since you really can't DO anything to them.
*EDIT* Correction, make that multiple bugs.
Message Edited by FernGully on 06-11-2005 10:01 AM
akjedimaster wrote:
/tar has been known, it works fine, however you cannot attack the jedi.
It is known and a known bug as well.
ktanner3 wrote:
dezi wrote:
Does he need help? I think you missed the entire point of his post, the quote is just an addition to his statement. And as far as BH hunting Jedi, its because there werent any. If there were the 1134341545 Jedi hangin out at the center of Theed in the movies, im sure you would have seen some.
Caelrie wrote:
Continuity arguments will not help you. No BH ever hunted a Jedi in any of the movies.
Giles025 wrote:
I should also add how great it was when all those thousands of Jedi cloaked in the movies. It was especially cool that you never saw them, because they were invisible on the screen...
Message Edited by dezi on 06-10-2005 01:24 PM
Let's not forget how they died either. By the hands of clone troopers. Didn't seethe jedicloaking , force running or setting up houses either to get out of the battle.It's interesting how we were once promised that working towards jedi would be discouraged to keep their numbers low yet it seems working towards bounty hunter is the most discouraging.
But what difference does it make? Continuity flew south a long time ago with the first lightsaber.
Message Edited by ktanner3 on 06-10-2005 08:36 PM
Let's not also forget it was mass armies that killed them too, not a few troops. I also remember a Youngling takeing out a few as well on his own and he is just an intiate. Plus if I am not mistaken BH's also get Duelist Stance and we all know it is Bh's who can stand there and send shots back at the target not Jedior wait do I have that backwards?
Message Edited by Corvett on 06-11-2005 09:53 AM
neelong wrote:
Not only can they cloak in combat, they can also jump in their starship while in combat and be cloaked and leave the planet. You can eat, drink, fly, fight, mount dismount anything, .. make eggs, pancakes ect ect while cloaked.
cant mount while cloaked
make eggs, yes
Never seen a Jedi cloak in the films so where does this power come from ?
Only time I seen a Jedi cloak was in KOTOR 2 for the Jedi Watchmen and Sith Assassins.
I remeber a jedi I killed he had cloak on and was running about waving at me. I stood still and kept my /target <name> Macro on him. As soon as the name dropped off my screen it meant he had decloaked I pressed it again and shot him with a knockdown and a criti shot. Then it was a matter of a DB. Over within 30 seconds and I had my money and a Jedi corpse rotting in the mountains of Dath.
I like killing Jedi its fun to see the abuse you get from their friends when your killing them.