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Thread: Play fair.... I AM a bounty hunter....
mbolyard wrote:
You see, when you join a faction, it is supposed to mean something.
Shaan'ti Hokai (Kauri) 
srobin001 wrote:
To the original poster......You pay your $15 bucks a month, so you have the right to play anyway you want, anyway that the games allows for......................But, I don't get hunting same faction...If you have joined the rebs, in this case, why would you hunt them.....You are weaking the very people who are on your side......In football terms, you don't flatten the quarterback in practice, no matter how much you hate QB's...That's your QB and if you hurt him, your hurting youself........
Personally, I think smuggler's and BH should be unfactional peeps........Fits so much better with the job description......Totally neutral, self-serving professions......Having them be reb or imp is just too fluffy. The other poster here are right, as BH, you ought be hunting every Jedi you can find...Imp or Reb....Aligning yourself with a faction just doesnt make sense to me if you wanna be a Jedi Hunter.I see it as much more of solo type experience..
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Anyhoo, my 2 cred's worth
Message Edited by srobin001 on 08-25-2005 08:53 AM
But in football terms, so few Bounty Hunters play Football, they play for the Baseball team instead. So for many BH that jedi is a fair target.
Let me offer some perspective on my mindset as an Imperial Bounty Hunter...
1) The Emperor has ordered that all Jedi be exterminated - therefore Imperial Jedi are subject to the same purge as others.
2) People with clean hands don't wind up on the terminals - if there's a bounty on you, you did something to deserve it.
3) Even if I'm not working directly for the Empire on a bounty job, I'm still removing criminals and scumbags from society, which promotes Order - what the Empire stands for.
Now, you can say these people aren't all criminals, but read the mission details: Embezzlers, thieves, spies, saboteurs, terrorists, murderers... the list goes on. I've never seen a bounty for a hard-working family man who's loyal to the Empire, I've never seen a bounty for a loving mother of three. They're all criminals or else they wouldn't be hunted fugitives.
Sorry i couldnt respond early here are some things
First to the guy who wanted to tripple in-cap me, Thats a bad attuide. But your right to your feelings.
Secondly about the lvl 59 mark, i dont choose how hard they are. The base price means nothing, on 45k i've gotten full template knights and lvl 59ish stuff like that guy. I never said it was a hard fight
About being rebel, thing 1. I'm not rebel because if have idealisticly dreams of saving a pixel galaxy. My friend went reb, my guild is mainly reb so i went reb.
Third although the Rebel Alliance is properly known as the Rebel Alliance to restore the republic i have a few RP reasons for hunting rebel jedi as rebel.
1. Despite the title the rebels are basicly a group of freedom fighters/insurgents that wish to overthrow the emporer. Not nessacarily are the devoted to restoring the republic despite the tag-line.
2. Less of a umbrella reason and more of a personal RP reason, Jedi did well fark everything up in the old republic. I mean, if palpy wasnt a force user and if mace, anny Obi yoda maul ect ect didnt exist. Clone wars wouldnt of happened.
I wanna go over this again, Mr.Griefer: " Hunt your own faction and be shunned and mistreated by all, you deserve it. "
>> I reply "I am a bounty hunter, we dont play by the rules"
>> Why should anyone expect me to play by the rules
Here are some questions for you:
- Why are you a rebel?
- Do you know what being a rebel is and what it does imply ?
- If greed is your only motivation, and if you see yourself as a hunter and the other as preys, why do you need an affiliation (if not to surprise your opponents better as they won't see the regular blue dot on radar when you approach them, being of same affiliation)
Aglardae"
DTQ wrote:
HardwiredXMan wrote:
I am not a BH anymore. I am a jedi now and my view on this issue of same faction hunting is that faction has nothing to do with your job as a BH. First of all, one mistake the devs made is that BH don't pledge allegiance to any faction (rebel or imperial). A BH is typically one who works for the highest bidder. They work for the empire today, work for the alliance tomorrow and work for jabba the next day.
Pledging allegiance??? heck I dont make no promises, Give me a mission I will do what you ask of me, You dont have to be into something heart and soul to join a side. Lets face it luke didnt like the empire, but he didnt do much about it till obi wan came into his life.
That was exactly my point, but the devs make you pledge allegiance to either the alliance or empire if you want to be in direct combat within the GCW.For jedi, they are forced to be rebel or imperial. It should not be that way because jedi are not imperial or rebel. How about being neutral and still fight against the empire or alliance in the GCW.
The other kind of BH is one who does it for prestige, money is not an issue for them. This is the typical mindset of a Hunter, not just a BH. A hunter is one who hunts for trophies and the glory of defeating a difficult or cunning opponent. It's the competition also.
So although I am not against same faction hunting, I do not think that a BH who is guilded with a guild that participates int he GCW should hunt other guilded rebel jedi. The reason is because the association of 2 rebel guilds are fighting for the same purpose. That means that if your truely care about that purpose, you won't kill off other people that are fighting for the same reasons your are. In war, that would be traitorous acts and you would be killed or exiled (if your lucky)with a black mark on you that any future contact with you may result in your death.
They might be fighting the same side, but hey that mission terminal told me he killed someones child, He DESERVES death. Are all actions justified by someone being on your side of a war? Surely that concept would do away with court marshals? You show me a jedi with no blood on their hands. Ive seen rebel jedi cutting up newbs in cantinas for the hell of it. Being a Rebel doesnt make them any less criminalor any less deserving of their fate.
This is a matter of point of view, many people don't agree with the death penatly for someone who killed another person. Some states have the death penalty, others put you in prison for life, other times the person gets off on a technicality or is truely innocent. Just because someone says you committed a crime doesn't automatically make you a criminal, you have to prove they are one. Unfortunately, the gamelacks this concept and many other dynamic concepts that existed in star wars. I mean how often were jedi and sith misunderstood for their actions. You may strike someone down in defense, that's blood on your hands, but that doesn't mean you are a criminal. It's about survival.So just because SOE can only dream of putting jedi missions in the game where they are wanted for committing a crime does not mean that determines that all jedi are criminals (we truely need more dynamic BH Missions IMO), the BH mission system is flawed in many respects and that is one of the points of my post.
Being on the same team in it's most basic form means that you put trust into the fellow soldier next to you in battle no matter if he's loyal or not, he's expected to be loyal.If the expectation of all people is that they cannot be loyal to you and your cause, then there would never be any armies, we would all be vigilante'sexercising our own beliefs of justice and noone would ever trust another person enought to join them in battleand have their back.
Also, if the marks on the mission terminals are supposed to be criminals, then does that make the BH the police? To my understanding, Bh were considered criminals too, just because they sometimes hunted criminals for a living don't make them the good guys. BH's are in it for greed and personal gain, not justice. So using the "he deserves what he gets" attitude just don't fit.
Also, a few misconeptions I would like to clear up.
1. A BH's job is not to kill his mark. their job is to carry out the orders that their employer gives them. For example, jango fetts orders was to kill padme, he tried to do that with the assistance of another BH, but that was his orders. Boba Fett was ordered by jabba to "capture" han solo, not kill him. Many other people in the galaxy had bounties put on them for many reasons, not all marks are to be disposed of. I mean some marks owed people money and you can't collect money if the person who owes you is dead....so they wanted them captured instead in hopes to either get their money or toture and kill the person themselves (just like jabba).
Im quite happy to carry out any type of missions given, but it seems at the moment there is a run of death missions, I take what comes. That guy killed a bacta tanker captain, im sure he deserves whats coming to him.
Again, your idea of "Deserves what he gets" is relative to each individuals own beliefs. I for one do not believe that player A deserves death because player B said or saw him commit a what they think is a crime. To me, death is no penalty. It's the easy way to get rid of a persons anger, it solves nothing except make the executioner just as bad as the supposed criminal. It's really hypocritical to say, you need to die because you killed someone else. Well in that regard, the person who kills the person who killed someone else deserves to be killed also.....and so it never stops and we are all criminals. Noone has the right to kill another person even if they did something wrong, it just puts the executioner in the same boat as the executed. You killed them (regardless if it was your job or not), then you are just as bad.
2. All marks are not criminals. Just because a BH is hired to capture or kill someone does not make them a criminal. I really hate when anyone (not just BH's) assume that all their marks are criminals. THe thing is that in star wars, anyone can have a Bounty put on them for any reason. Someone can hire a Bounty hunter to track down someone and report their findings of their location and what they are doing. Although this is the job of bothan spies, many times bounty hunters are more adept at doing these kinds of covert missions. Just because the movies never showed every aspect of bounty hunting does not mean it doesn't exist.
I work with the information im given, as yet I havent taken any missions telling me to kill anyone who seems remotely innocent, and even if they appeared that way, its probably all a cover up. Lets not forget palpatine was voted into dictatorship seeming innocent and on the side of the republic.
I see you are justifying everything by the way the devs incorporated the BH mission game mechanics. THat's fine because your working within the system that was put into place, but I'm saying that the devs screwed up if they call themselves even remotely representing the BH missions in star wars. I'm sorry, all BH missions were not to kill someone and not all Bounties were for crimes. There is no law that says Han solo owed jabba money / smuggling goods so the empire will detain Solo. If solo was not helping the rebels and not a criminal due to smuggling, the empire wouldn't give a darn about solo just like all those other people in the galaxy. If you mind your business and don't question the empire, you were not considered a criminal.
Now the problem with this game is that SOE put in the basics of bounty hunting. It is not a full representation of the boutny hunter profession. They simply put BH missions in the game as a means to deter jedi from being seen publicly. Don't gain vis and a BH won't come along an take your valuable xp away from you is the mindset the devs had with this system. however, in doing so, they have destroyed small parts of star wars principles. Like being a BH who pledges allegiance to the alliance. You don't give a BH the rank of colonel in your armor knowing full well he will kill one of your commanders tomorrow. It's not logical at all. You don't allow any person in your army who will kill you internally. That's one of the reasons BH's did not join the empire or alliance.
If thats the case why all the nice hard work on npc missions for bounty hunters, many liked the profession without jedi missions, heck I would welcome capture missions, would be fun to have a "heavily sedated icoh veisome" in my inventory
All armies have bounty hunters and assassins working for them, what do think the "security operatives" in iraq are? you hire someone at arms length whos disposeable to do your dirty work. You know the risk they might pose to your own people, but you take precautions, and if they try anything you kill them.
I totally agree with you, however, in hiring operatives to do your dirty work, you don't give them the same rules as your other soldiers. Although they get special privledges, They don't hold any power or command in your army. They cannot give orders to your soldiers unless your soldiers are givenordersby a ranked official to follow anothers command. However, SWG has it were you have BH's in your faction who can achieve ranks of colonel and such. They have all the power of high ranking officials or anyone in your army and in great numbers. I'm sorry, vader did not make all the BH's he hired to catch the M. Falcon generals or appoint them soldier in the imperial ranks. SWG does allow this and it's not right in many players view. You should be allow to betray your faction, but if your faction for a good reason (maybe because you believe in something opposed to your fellow soldier), but you don't become an assassin who clearly hunts any member of your own army when the order was not given to. Assassin's don't kill their own for money or the thrill of the hunt.....in most cases if they do, then they cease to affiliate themselves with that group or association. THey don't continue to serve that organization to the fullest, yet kill off any member of the organization with no hesitation.
With that being said, BH's should have their own faction, jedi should have thier own faction because they also were not members of the alliance. They were a third party organization that was sympathetic to the alliance cause. They decided to help the rebels, not become one amoung their command ranks. That's not to say a rebel could not become a jedi like in lukes case....but from the moment he became a jedi, he no longer commanded or fought with rebels, he did his own thing which so happened to help the rebels cause. He did not have to report to any commander or get orders from anyone, nor did he have to check with anyone before he ran off and did what he wanted to do, he just did it. In any army, if you do what you want without permission, you are abandoning your army and treated in such a way that you can never become a good standing memeber of that army (there are special occasions though).
Luke was a "commander" he was pretty much his own boss, he brought himself a lot of freedom with the deathstar destruction. He WAS NOT a jedi when he dissapeared off to dagobah the first time, I think Yoda descrbed him bet as reckless, he didnt follow the rebel lead to regroup witht he rest of the fleet and he later disobeyed his jedi leaders in going to rescue han and leia.
Nope he wasn't a jedi, but he was seeking to become one since obi wan sensed he was force sensitive. So that fits into the part where I say that rebels could become jedi and they no longer were a member of the alliance. Jedi held no titles or ranks among any faction except the jedi order which is not the alliance. When any member of any faction became "A JEDI", they ceased to belong to the alliance as a commanding member or soldier. Jedi are not common soldiers and serve a much higher purpose other than to serve as a commander, general or soldier in an army. You can call the jedi order a form of an army if you want, but it never has and never will be an association aligned with the rebel alliance or empire.They are simply a third party organization that is sympathetic to the alliancecause and have the same goals and beliefs. That don't make them a division of the Alliance.That's why I think jedi should have their own faction in SWG, they were neither rebel or imperial like the game forces them to be.
Anyway, the short point is that as a jedi, I don't care what faction you are, if your a BH, your an enemy to me simply because that's how the game has made BH missions. If the BH missions truely reflected how they were in star wars, then I would have an issue with same faction hunting same faction.
I agree completely but that doesnt stop me teaming up with Jedi when I feel like it, remember Luke worked withMara Jade. You do what you have to do when you ahve to do it.
Yup, I group with BH's for grinding sometimes, but I keep my eye on them.I don't always like to, but you have no choice sometimes when you play atearly hours of the morning when server population is low. I'm very cautious about many things. Just because I group with you don't mean I trust you. Outside of grinding, I do not join a BH ever to do anything unless they are in my guild and I trust them. over 80% of my guild has been together for 2 years....I have grown to trust them, the new guys...I don't trust as far as I can throw them.
However, if you are a rebel BH and guilded, the general belief is that any other member of the rebel alliance is your ally. Your supposed to be brothers in arms and that's where the confusion comes when a rebel BH kills another rebel. It's becomes a issue of trust, no member of any faction wants to be constantly worry if the rebel BH next to him fighting the enemy will turn on him and kill him. Your supposed to trust your fellow rebels just as imperials are supposed to trust their own.
Every guild is its own army unless they have allies with another guild China and North Korea may both join up against the US but have their own political agenda. Just because im in the UK doesnt mean I have to be loyal to every one British. It also doesnt mean I have to hate everyone german or french. I trust my friends, regardless of faction.
Well, trusting your friends that are not part of your faction is useually the down fall of many people. A cause is much stronger than friendship usually....and can cause your best friend in the whole world to kill you if they feel strongly enough about that cause. THat's in real life though, this is a game, so you can trust them if you want. Depends on how good of a friend they are though.
on my server we have a server wide rebel alliance. If any guild that is part of that alliance has a BH who hunts rebels, that BH is expected to be kicked from the guild and alliance. You will be marked forever as a traitor to the alliance and although you may remain a rebel, you won't be respected as one and will not be allied or helped by any member of the alliance. In the event that your guild doesn't kick you (because maybe the guild leader is your friend or something), then your guild is not to be trusted anymore regardless of how great the other members are. At least my guild does not associate, trust or help another rebel guild who has violated our trust and wishes. We want a strong alliance where we can depend on one another, not fight together today and get killed by you tomorrow. That's mutany and will not be tolerated, even in a game....because it's a game that is built around army principles.
Honestly, as a jedi you have to think of everyone as a potential enemy.A jedi has no friends except another jedi master whom they learn from. In many cases, you can't even trust them. The life of a jedi is truely a lonely life, that's why many can't cut it and that's why jedi need their own faction just like BH's and possibly smugglers.
Message Edited by HardwiredXMan on 08-25-2005 09:52 AM
I have a few more thoughts on this:
1.) If you ever partied with opposing faction to grind ..... shut your cake hole
2.) Boba Fett did alot of work for the Empire, but he wasn't exclusive to them.
3.) There are no Jedi in this time frame
4.) No true Jedi would act (in-game) like alot of the 13yr olds, noob-slaying and talking smack.
5.) No Jedi ever went into a "Combat Trance" and slept through a waging battle (aka AFK-Grinding)
6.) Your XP loss? Shut up, you chose to become a Jedi, you knew the consequences full well. Your XP matters not one hitch to any true Bounty Hunter. Most of us are actual Star Wars fans and feel the need to exterminate each and every one of you, in order to bring this game into the timeframe we were fooled into believing that we were supposed to be living.
Checito wrote:
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Its over, he stops sending tells. Now sorry for taking so long but a few things i wonder about are as follows
1.Why should anyone expect me to play by the rules. I already spent two droids on you, i find you. If you didnt wanna be hnted you can generaly stay off the terms. Also i wont wait fora 'fair' oppertunity to fight when your not being swamped by Banthas. Thats not my job. Really fair play shouldnt be expected from me.
2.I dont care about your exp. Sounds cruel, but i dont. Your prey to me, a animal. As i wanted to say, if i was sympathetic to the exp lose then i wouldnt be a bounty hunter.
Basicly what im trying to say here, is to all jedi who may read this. Please understand those two points...
Thanks for reading.
Thanks for your perspective. Allow me to reply from a Jedi perspective:
1. Why should anyone expect me to roll over and take xp loss? Force run and cloak are two things I've spent skill points on, and I'm damn well going to use them to prevent you from succeeding at "your job". Just because I chose Jedi does not mean I should have to accept skill point loss because of you. If I can get away, I will.
2. I don't care about your content, or how much you spent on armor/buffs/food/weapons/SEA's. Sounds cruel, but I don't. As long as I'm paying my $15/$30 a month, I'm going to do what's in my best interest for me, not for you.
Basically, what I'm trying to say here, is to all BH who may read this: please understand MY two points.
Thank you for reading.
Message Edited by MilannaSati on 08-27-2005 01:04 PM
MilannaSati wrote:
Thanks for your perspective. Allow me to reply from a Jedi perspective:
1. Why should anyone expect me to roll over and take xp loss? Force run and cloak are two things I've spent skill points on, and I'm damn well going to use them to prevent you from succeeding at "your job". Just because I chose Jedi does not mean I should have to accept skill point loss because of you. If I can get away, I will.
2. I don't care about your content, or how much you spent on armor/buffs/food/weapons/SEA's. Sounds cruel, but I don't. As long as I'm paying my $15/$30 a month and you aren't paying it for me, I'm going to do what's in my best interest for me, not for you.
Basically, what I'm trying to say here, is to all BH who may read this: please understand MY two points.
Thank you for reading.
Message Edited by Ekwalizer on 08-27-2005 10:44 AM
MilannaSati wrote:
As long as I'm paying my $15/$30 a month and you aren't paying it for me, I'm going to do what's in my best interest for me, not for you.
Ekwalizer wrote:
Fully understood and I agree, being our quarry does not mean helpless prey or :
MBH:Hey, Jedi, I'm a MBH
Jedi: Darn, thought I wouldnt lose XP today
MBH: Here I come
Jedi: Ok, /kneel
MBH: Attack /db
Jedi: /clone .... gosh, if only I were allowed to escape or defend myself.
Being a Jedi Hunter/Slayer means difficult fights and lengthy hunts sometimes.
Being a Jedi means staying prepared for the next MBH around the corner.
Jedi do not have the luxury of Logging out in public or AFK_Grinding (except on Kash). You are a potential mark at all times and would do well to remember that.
This is why I have no issue with LD killing or AFK-Killing or even same faction slaying; you chose to be a Jedi. Play smart or lose Xp. It's that simple.
Message Edited by Ekwalizer on 08-27-2005 10:44 AM
First off, as far as the little dialogue: I'm rarely in a location that has a lot of people. I'm either in my city, or grinding. If I see a dot, I assume it's a bounty hunter. For that reason, I've never used the duel/endduel "exploit" (note that use of quotation marks means I disagree with the term) because I simply don't need it. I assume anyone driving up to me is a hostile. And I only brought it up because I see SO many bounty hunters whining on this forum about Jedi getting away, be it cloak, force run, or even the vehicle thing. It almost seems as if a lot of BHs expect that scenario you described.
I am always a potential mark, I do accept that. I am not necessarily a potential corpse, however. Bounty hunters would do well to accept that.
TashunkaSapa wrote:
MilannaSati wrote:
As long as I'm paying my $15/$30 a month and you aren't paying it for me, I'm going to do what's in my best interest for me, not for you.
Who are you kidding - even if I were paying for your subscription, you'd still run.
I don't even know why I'm bothering to reply to this, because it is such a moot point, but if you said (while paying my subscription) "Hey Milanna, don't run, or I'll cancel your account..." Which I'm sure would probably happen in such a ridiculous scenario.