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Thread: Play fair.... I AM a bounty hunter....
Bah, nevermind.
Message Edited by WiseBobo on 08-25-2005 06:07 AM
WiseBobo wrote:
tatum20 wrote:
Ekwalizer wrote:
tatum20 wrote:
Hmmm what to say. Well personallly i dont hunt jedi they arnt worth my time or my effort. i can make the same amount of money in space grindng the day away up there should i feel the need for cash. The reason i personaly dont hunt jedi is because i hate it when i loose time, Nothing get's my goat more than when i have spent hour's or day's etc working on something to have it fall appart get deleted vannish or fail miserably. So i can sympithise with being a jedi and loosing the countless hours of grinding manotiny just to accieve something to have it taken away from you in a matter of minuts or seconds.
That being said It is in ones own parogitive to play in our own way jedi choose to be jedi they must accept the good and the bad that comes with that. As we choose to hunt jedi we can expect a litany of abuse of some sort or another for it this is what we must accept. That's the life we choose I dont care wether people dont like me or not that's their issue not mine (though i do like to get along with people) but at the end of the day i play for me and accept what comes with the play style ive chosen.
I have no sympathy for them. No one pulled the proverbial wool over their eyes and led them to believe that they would not be hunted and that if killed by a BH that they wouldn't lose xp. This is common knowledge to every player on every server after about 5 minutes.
Everyone knows this, yet the village is always packed with up-and-coming Jedi.
Jedi make a decision to enter into permanent PvP status. They are the only class that this applies to. If you do not want to risk PvP and loss of time/xp then don't become a Jedi.
Same faction hunting? The BH Terminals give nice descriptions about IMP Jedi ...... "enemies of the empire regardless of political affiliation". That seems pretty simple to me. You Imp Jedi are not Sith, you are dark jedi. The emporer wouldn't have you in the empire. At best you'd be a covert agent, such as a Hand .... and even the Hands risked assassination for the slightest failure.
Which Jedi Master trained all of you guys? Oh that's right. No one. Having Jedi in this game is retarded.
Indeed they did make the choice to become Jedi and i have no sympathy for them either, kinda sounds like a contradiction in terms. What i mean to say is that i made a choice not too because i know what its like to loose alot of hard work, but manly because their really isnt any benifite in it for me i can make much better money doing other things.
But what does their "hard work" give players like us beyond a ruined open PvP combat system and a game storyline not canonical with that of the movies? We are playing a game that is a direct contradiction to the Star Wars Universe.
tatum20 wrote:
WiseBobo wrote:
tatum20 wrote:
Ekwalizer wrote:
tatum20 wrote:
Hmmm what to say. Well personallly i dont hunt jedi they arnt worth my time or my effort. i can make the same amount of money in space grindng the day away up there should i feel the need for cash. The reason i personaly dont hunt jedi is because i hate it when i loose time, Nothing get's my goat more than when i have spent hour's or day's etc working on something to have it fall appart get deleted vannish or fail miserably. So i can sympithise with being a jedi and loosing the countless hours of grinding manotiny just to accieve something to have it taken away from you in a matter of minuts or seconds.
That being said It is in ones own parogitive to play in our own way jedi choose to be jedi they must accept the good and the bad that comes with that. As we choose to hunt jedi we can expect a litany of abuse of some sort or another for it this is what we must accept. That's the life we choose I dont care wether people dont like me or not that's their issue not mine (though i do like to get along with people) but at the end of the day i play for me and accept what comes with the play style ive chosen.
I have no sympathy for them. No one pulled the proverbial wool over their eyes and led them to believe that they would not be hunted and that if killed by a BH that they wouldn't lose xp. This is common knowledge to every player on every server after about 5 minutes.
Everyone knows this, yet the village is always packed with up-and-coming Jedi.
Jedi make a decision to enter into permanent PvP status. They are the only class that this applies to. If you do not want to risk PvP and loss of time/xp then don't become a Jedi.
Same faction hunting? The BH Terminals give nice descriptions about IMP Jedi ...... "enemies of the empire regardless of political affiliation". That seems pretty simple to me. You Imp Jedi are not Sith, you are dark jedi. The emporer wouldn't have you in the empire. At best you'd be a covert agent, such as a Hand .... and even the Hands risked assassination for the slightest failure.
Which Jedi Master trained all of you guys? Oh that's right. No one. Having Jedi in this game is retarded.
Indeed they did make the choice to become Jedi and i have no sympathy for them either, kinda sounds like a contradiction in terms. What i mean to say is that i made a choice not too because i know what its like to loose alot of hard work, but manly because their really isnt any benifite in it for me i can make much better money doing other things.
But what does their "hard work" give players like us beyond a ruined open PvP combat system and a game storyline not canonical with that of the movies? We are playing a game that is a direct contradiction to the Star Wars Universe.
sorry im abit tired and i get lost abit what im tryng to say is we are playng star wars galaxies and not reliving the movies, sure a few things are inaccurate and imbalanced so what if you dont enjoy the game why play it?
We are playing Star Wars.
Not Backdoor Pearls 9
Not My Stick Glows
Not Jedi Tycoon
The entire Star Wars film and EU is centered around what is canon. This game is not.
Message Edited by WiseBobo on 08-25-2005 06:16 AM
Do what you think best.
You didn't seem rude or hateful in dealing with the tells. There certainly are individuals and guilds that think this behavior is unacceptable. So as others said some will shun you and treat you harshly. Some of these sorts will be deep into the GCW. IMO a BH hunts all marks regardless. I can understand people that play the game only for GCW PvP being against same faction hunting. Again, personally, I do not have a problem with it. It is a Jedi's job to be smart and stay off the terms.
Knowing how some people feel about it, as others have said, I would be prepared to be griefed on occasion. Then again, all PvP has occasional grief play.
Message Edited by Xoreshear on 08-25-2005 09:44 AM
TashunkaSapa wrote:
mbolyard wrote:
I would love to give you an opportunity to express your attitude on me. You see, I reserve a special treatment for your kind.
So what you're saying is, you like to grief people who are playing within the rules? That's assuming you can beat them to begin with, of course. Hopefully any BHs on Flurry who are reading your post will give you a taste of your own medicine.
Shaan'ti,
Re-read my post. I am stating that same faction hunting will get "special treatment" from me. You see, when you join a faction, it is supposed to mean something. Come to me as a purple dot, and you will be receiving the worst possible treatment I can give. Talk crap or try to take advantage of a situation, and you will also get this treatment.
To the poster who has everything ADK'd,
You must be very, very rich. Congrats on being in the 1% who have four ADK's to throw around.
I am not a BH anymore. I am a jedi now and my view on this issue of same faction hunting is that faction has nothing to do with your job as a BH. First of all, one mistake the devs made is that BH don't pledge allegiance to any faction (rebel or imperial). A BH is typically one who works for the highest bidder. They work for the empire today, work for the alliance tomorrow and work for jabba the next day.
The other kind of BH is one who does it for prestige, money is not an issue for them. This is the typical mindset of a Hunter, not just a BH. A hunter is one who hunts for trophies and the glory of defeating a difficult or cunning opponent. It's the competition also.
So although I am not against same faction hunting, I do not think that a BH who is guilded with a guild that participates int he GCW should hunt other guilded rebel jedi. The reason is because the association of 2 rebel guilds are fighting for the same purpose. That means that if your truely care about that purpose, you won't kill off other people that are fighting for the same reasons your are. In war, that would be traitorous acts and you would be killed or exiled (if your lucky)with a black mark on you that any future contact with you may result in your death.
Also, a few misconeptions I would like to clear up.
1. A BH's job is not to kill his mark. their job is to carry out the orders that their employer gives them. For example, jango fetts orders was to kill padme, he tried to do that with the assistance of another BH, but that was his orders. Boba Fett was ordered by jabba to "capture" han solo, not kill him. Many other people in the galaxy had bounties put on them for many reasons, not all marks are to be disposed of. I mean some marks owed people money and you can't collect money if the person who owes you is dead....so they wanted them captured instead in hopes to either get their money or toture and kill the person themselves (just like jabba).
2. All marks are not criminals. Just because a BH is hired to capture or kill someone does not make them a criminal. I really hate when anyone (not just BH's) assume that all their marks are criminals. THe thing is that in star wars, anyone can have a Bounty put on them for any reason. Someone can hire a Bounty hunter to track down someone and report their findings of their location and what they are doing. Although this is the job of bothan spies, many times bounty hunters are more adept at doing these kinds of covert missions. Just because the movies never showed every aspect of bounty hunting does not mean it doesn't exist.
Now the problem with this game is that SOE put in the basics of bounty hunting. It is not a full representation of the boutny hunter profession. They simply put BH missions in the game as a means to deter jedi from being seen publicly. Don't gain vis and a BH won't come along an take your valuable xp away from you is the mindset the devs had with this system. however, in doing so, they have destroyed small parts of star wars principles. Like being a BH who pledges allegiance to the alliance. You don't give a BH the rank of colonel in your armor knowing full well he will kill one of your commanders tomorrow. It's not logical at all. You don't allow any person in your army who will kill you internally. That's one of the reasons BH's did not join the empire or alliance.
With that being said, BH's should have their own faction, jedi should have thier own faction because they also were not members of the alliance. They were a third party organization that was sympathetic to the alliance cause. They decided to help the rebels, not become one amoung their command ranks. That's not to say a rebel could not become a jedi like in lukes case....but from the moment he became a jedi, he no longer commanded or fought with rebels, he did his own thing which so happened to help the rebels cause. He did not have to report to any commander or get orders from anyone, nor did he have to check with anyone before he ran off and did what he wanted to do, he just did it. In any army, if you do what you want without permission, you are abandoning your army and treated in such a way that you can never become a good standing memeber of that army (there are special occasions though).
Anyway, the short point is that as a jedi, I don't care what faction you are, if your a BH, your an enemy to me simply because that's how the game has made BH missions. If the BH missions truely reflected how they were in star wars, then I would have an issue with same faction hunting same faction.
However, if you are a rebel BH and guilded, the general belief is that any other member of the rebel alliance is your ally. Your supposed to be brothers in arms and that's where the confusion comes when a rebel BH kills another rebel. It's becomes a issue of trust, no member of any faction wants to be constantly worry if the rebel BH next to him fighting the enemy will turn on him and kill him. Your supposed to trust your fellow rebels just as imperials are supposed to trust their own.
Message Edited by HardwiredXMan on 08-25-2005 09:52 AM
HardwiredXMan wrote:
I am not a BH anymore. I am a jedi now and my view on this issue of same faction hunting is that faction has nothing to do with your job as a BH. First of all, one mistake the devs made is that BH don't pledge allegiance to any faction (rebel or imperial). A BH is typically one who works for the highest bidder. They work for the empire today, work for the alliance tomorrow and work for jabba the next day.
Pledging allegiance??? heck I dont make no promises, Give me a mission I will do what you ask of me, You dont have to be into something heart and soul to join a side. Lets face it luke didnt like the empire, but he didnt do much about it till obi wan came into his life.
The other kind of BH is one who does it for prestige, money is not an issue for them. This is the typical mindset of a Hunter, not just a BH. A hunter is one who hunts for trophies and the glory of defeating a difficult or cunning opponent. It's the competition also.
So although I am not against same faction hunting, I do not think that a BH who is guilded with a guild that participates int he GCW should hunt other guilded rebel jedi. The reason is because the association of 2 rebel guilds are fighting for the same purpose. That means that if your truely care about that purpose, you won't kill off other people that are fighting for the same reasons your are. In war, that would be traitorous acts and you would be killed or exiled (if your lucky)with a black mark on you that any future contact with you may result in your death.
They might be fighting the same side, but hey that mission terminal told me he killed someones child, He DESERVES death. Are all actions justified by someone being on your side of a war? Surely that concept would do away with court marshals? You show me a jedi with no blood on their hands. Ive seen rebel jedi cutting up newbs in cantinas for the hell of it. Being a Rebel doesnt make them any less criminalor any less deserving of their fate.
Also, a few misconeptions I would like to clear up.
1. A BH's job is not to kill his mark. their job is to carry out the orders that their employer gives them. For example, jango fetts orders was to kill padme, he tried to do that with the assistance of another BH, but that was his orders. Boba Fett was ordered by jabba to "capture" han solo, not kill him. Many other people in the galaxy had bounties put on them for many reasons, not all marks are to be disposed of. I mean some marks owed people money and you can't collect money if the person who owes you is dead....so they wanted them captured instead in hopes to either get their money or toture and kill the person themselves (just like jabba).
Im quite happy to carry out any type of missions given, but it seems at the moment there is a run of death missions, I take what comes. That guy killed a bacta tanker captain, im sure he deserves whats coming to him.
2. All marks are not criminals. Just because a BH is hired to capture or kill someone does not make them a criminal. I really hate when anyone (not just BH's) assume that all their marks are criminals. THe thing is that in star wars, anyone can have a Bounty put on them for any reason. Someone can hire a Bounty hunter to track down someone and report their findings of their location and what they are doing. Although this is the job of bothan spies, many times bounty hunters are more adept at doing these kinds of covert missions. Just because the movies never showed every aspect of bounty hunting does not mean it doesn't exist.
I work with the information im given, as yet I havent taken any missions telling me to kill anyone who seems remotely innocent, and even if they appeared that way, its probably all a cover up. Lets not forget palpatine was voted into dictatorship seeming innocent and on the side of the republic.
Now the problem with this game is that SOE put in the basics of bounty hunting. It is not a full representation of the boutny hunter profession. They simply put BH missions in the game as a means to deter jedi from being seen publicly. Don't gain vis and a BH won't come along an take your valuable xp away from you is the mindset the devs had with this system. however, in doing so, they have destroyed small parts of star wars principles. Like being a BH who pledges allegiance to the alliance. You don't give a BH the rank of colonel in your armor knowing full well he will kill one of your commanders tomorrow. It's not logical at all. You don't allow any person in your army who will kill you internally. That's one of the reasons BH's did not join the empire or alliance.
If thats the case why all the nice hard work on npc missions for bounty hunters, many liked the profession without jedi missions, heck I would welcome capture missions, would be fun to have a "heavily sedated icoh veisome" in my inventory
All armies have bounty hunters and assassins working for them, what do think the "security operatives" in iraq are? you hire someone at arms length whos disposeable to do your dirty work. You know the risk they might pose to your own people, but you take precautions, and if they try anything you kill them.
With that being said, BH's should have their own faction, jedi should have thier own faction because they also were not members of the alliance. They were a third party organization that was sympathetic to the alliance cause. They decided to help the rebels, not become one amoung their command ranks. That's not to say a rebel could not become a jedi like in lukes case....but from the moment he became a jedi, he no longer commanded or fought with rebels, he did his own thing which so happened to help the rebels cause. He did not have to report to any commander or get orders from anyone, nor did he have to check with anyone before he ran off and did what he wanted to do, he just did it. In any army, if you do what you want without permission, you are abandoning your army and treated in such a way that you can never become a good standing memeber of that army (there are special occasions though).
Luke was a "commander" he was pretty much his own boss, he brought himself a lot of freedom with the deathstar destruction. He WAS NOT a jedi when he dissapeared off to dagobah the first time, I think Yoda descrbed him bet as reckless, he didnt follow the rebel lead to regroup witht he rest of the fleet and he later disobeyed his jedi leaders in going to rescue han and leia.
Anyway, the short point is that as a jedi, I don't care what faction you are, if your a BH, your an enemy to me simply because that's how the game has made BH missions. If the BH missions truely reflected how they were in star wars, then I would have an issue with same faction hunting same faction.
I agree completely but that doesnt stop me teaming up with Jedi when I feel like it, remember Luke worked withMara Jade. You do what you have to do when you ahve to do it.
However, if you are a rebel BH and guilded, the general belief is that any other member of the rebel alliance is your ally. Your supposed to be brothers in arms and that's where the confusion comes when a rebel BH kills another rebel. It's becomes a issue of trust, no member of any faction wants to be constantly worry if the rebel BH next to him fighting the enemy will turn on him and kill him. Your supposed to trust your fellow rebels just as imperials are supposed to trust their own.
Every guild is its own army unless they have allies with another guild China and North Korea may both join up against the US but have their own political agenda. Just because im in the UK doesnt mean I have to be loyal to every one British. It also doesnt mean I have to hate everyone german or french. I trust my friends, regardless of faction.
Honestly, as a jedi you have to think of everyone as a potential enemy.A jedi has no friends except another jedi master whom they learn from. In many cases, you can't even trust them. The life of a jedi is truely a lonely life, that's why many can't cut it and that's why jedi need their own faction just like BH's and possibly smugglers.
Message Edited by HardwiredXMan on 08-25-2005 09:52 AM
To the original poster......You pay your $15 bucks a month, so you have the right to play anyway you want, anyway that the games allows for......................But, I don't get hunting same faction...If you have joined the rebs, in this case, why would you hunt them.....You are weaking the very people who are on your side......In football terms, you don't flatten the quarterback in practice, no matter how much you hate QB's...That's your QB and if you hurt him, your hurting youself........
Personally, I think smuggler's and BH should be unfactional peeps........Fits so much better with the job description......Totally neutral, self-serving professions......Having them be reb or imp is just too fluffy. The other poster here are right, as BH, you ought be hunting every Jedi you can find...Imp or Reb....Aligning yourself with a faction just doesnt make sense to me if you wanna be a Jedi Hunter.I see it as much more of solo type experience..
(edit- typo)
Anyhoo, my 2 cred's worth
Message Edited by srobin001 on 08-25-2005 08:53 AM
Cyrrex wrote:
The simple truth is that anyone who hunts same faction either A) doesn't care about faction, or B) is trying to gain an advantage. If you are the former, then you shouldn't be in a faction in the first place, as it should be for a Bounty Hunter. If it is the latter,then at least own up to it and stop trying to justify it as doing your job.
Shaan'ti Hokai (Kauri) 