Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: Exploit or not?
Woodmanseee
Sat Jul 10, 2004 9:44 am
#40
Its not right! Then again the whole system isnt right! I killed a tef rebel attacking our base the other day without buffs. A real hard long fight, as he was swords and something else. What didI get for risking my life without buffs? -1 force ranking... lol
O not to mention I killed two jedi knights, and I wasa knight, and got 50 for one and 75 for the other. Better off killing overts for the time being!
Message Edited by Woodmanseee on 07-10-2004 05:53 PM
Ekhvram
Sat Jul 10, 2004 10:23 am
#41
It's lame they get credit for killing guildies & those of their faction, then diddly for the GTEF'ed enemy CM's and what-not...
Zemon
Mon Oct 04, 2004 10:52 pm
#42
Ok, I decided to try and say something other than Blah, blah, blah. But, if that is all you see.... so be it. On with the question.
When tow players interact, do they both have to be on line? Can I trade with a LD player? Can group with a LD player?
Is it ok for a Doctor to buff a LD player?
So I ask, is it an exploit for a Jedi to use his alt to buff his Jedi while it is link dead?
I agree, you can make your alt any profession and play that professon. But to be able to interact with LD players seems like an exploit to me. Then again, it is a safe way to buff. Perhaps the "proper" way to do this woul be with a second account.
Strange debate I am having with myself. It's ok to have a second account and buff while you are both on line, but is it an exploit to use an alt to buff a LD Jedi....
Arrrrgh, Oh, just one star it and move along. It's a slow night at work.
Giles025
Mon Oct 04, 2004 11:07 pm
#43
I think whatever it allows you to do to an LD player is allowed... otherwise why would they let you do it?
If you know in your gut it's an exploit - than it probably is, but this is simply buffing / killing. It makes no difference if you are a Jedi vs any other profession to me. The main reason I see that BH thought this was a problem is that Jedi kept logging on/off, rather than it actually being an "exploit" per se. So the problem is that they keep logging on and off, which in turn messes up our missions (droids don't track right when they are logged off, sometimes they won't track at all if they log off and on repeatedly). It also used to (not sure if it does anymore) make it impossible to track with droids, since when we went to pull the droids it would say they are "offline" even if they are actually online.
As far as killing a Jedi while LD, hey I see it like regular PvP, it isn't SOE's fault - nor is it another player's fault - that your internet crashed. It's your ISP. Either that or you purposely logged out and everyone knows if you don't use /logout AND use it in a safe place, that you can be in for trouble. While you are PvPing is not a "safe place" to log out.
-o ;=-- - - - 
nerfelpa
Mon Oct 04, 2004 11:39 pm
#44
Chais-Jayden wrote:
Zemon wrote:Ok, I decided to try and say something other than Blah, blah, blah. But, if that is all you see.... so be it. On with the question.When tow players interact, do they both have to be on line? Can I trade with a LD player? Can group with a LD player?Is it ok for a Doctor to buff a LD player?So I ask, is it an exploit for a Jedi to use his alt to buff his Jedi while it is link dead?I agree, you can make your alt any profession and play that professon. But to be able to interact with LD players seems like an exploit to me. Then again, it is a safe way to buff. Perhaps the "proper" way to do this woul be with a second account.Strange debate I am having with myself. It's ok to have a second account and buff while you are both on line, but is it an exploit to use an alt to buff a LD Jedi....Arrrrgh, Oh, just one star it and move along. It's a slow night at work.
Hmmm... Well... maybe killing a Jedi while he is LD should be something we should be able to do. I mean if you are able to be buffed while LD, why not die as well?
you can die while LD , i logged out in a starport ..later i logged on i found my self in the cloner which i was later told a bounty hunter attacked me a few minutes after i logged
ShinjoKazuki
Tue Oct 05, 2004 3:39 am
#45
There are Bounty hunters on eclipse who follow you around til your ld so they can kill you.
nerfelpa wrote:
Chais-Jayden wrote:
Zemon wrote:
Ok, I decided to try and say something other than Blah, blah, blah. But, if that is all you see.... so be it. On with the question.
When tow players interact, do they both have to be on line? Can I trade with a LD player? Can group with a LD player?
Is it ok for a Doctor to buff a LD player?
So I ask, is it an exploit for a Jedi to use his alt to buff his Jedi while it is link dead?
I agree, you can make your alt any profession and play that professon. But to be able to interact with LD players seems like an exploit to me. Then again, it is a safe way to buff. Perhaps the "proper" way to do this woul be with a second account.
Strange debate I am having with myself. It's ok to have a second account and buff while you are both on line, but is it an exploit to use an alt to buff a LD Jedi....
Arrrrgh, Oh, just one star it and move along. It's a slow night at work.
Hmmm... Well... maybe killing a Jedi while he is LD should be something we should be able to do. I mean if you are able to be buffed while LD, why not die as well?
you can die while LD , i logged out in a starport ..later i logged on i found my self in the cloner which i was later told a bounty hunter attacked me a few minutes after i logged
RunningRoutes
Tue Oct 05, 2004 5:46 am
#46
Is using an alt to buff your other character (Jedi or not, doesn't matter) an exploit? No.
Do I think its in poor taste? Yes.
Why? Sorta takes away from other players who could be getting XP/money from you for buffing you. Allows Jedi to buff safely in their own house no matter what which eliminates some of the challenge of being a Jedi (a challenge that's SUPPOSED to be there, I might add). In terms of RP and social gaming, it restricts your chances of doing those things as you can just buff and go on missions.
But as an online gamer, I started on MUSHs... most of which have alt interaction rules. As in, its NOT allowed. So, that idea is sorta ingrained into me. Silly, I know... but its the case.
To summarize:
Exploit: No
Poor taste: Yes.
Do I think its in poor taste? Yes.
Why? Sorta takes away from other players who could be getting XP/money from you for buffing you. Allows Jedi to buff safely in their own house no matter what which eliminates some of the challenge of being a Jedi (a challenge that's SUPPOSED to be there, I might add). In terms of RP and social gaming, it restricts your chances of doing those things as you can just buff and go on missions.
But as an online gamer, I started on MUSHs... most of which have alt interaction rules. As in, its NOT allowed. So, that idea is sorta ingrained into me. Silly, I know... but its the case.
To summarize:
Exploit: No
Poor taste: Yes.
CCGASpectrallight
Tue Oct 05, 2004 6:43 am
#47
Wonder how long before this onegets deleted. Ok first off any one can die as an LD. Anyone can buff an LD. Rememebr that when you go LD you stay in game for like 10 minutes and are very much attackable so why not healable. The only way you can safely log ogg and not be attackable is to do the /sit, /logout commands. if you just hit dissconnect then you stay in game for around 10 minutes. In order for SOE to remove alt's buffing the disconnected jedi they have to make it so a disconected player is unattackable aswell.
So you see the problem here i hope... well maybe you don't after all your are just a BH. j/k. I guess I will spell it our for you. You think its bad now when a jedi tries to hide and /logout. What do you think it will be like if all of a sudden a jedi can just hit the disconnect button and be unattakable???? TNot only jedi but then this screws over the GCW and PVP even more then it is now. Think before you speak people.
nerfelpa
Tue Oct 05, 2004 6:49 am
#48
CCGASpectrallight wrote:Wonder how long before this onegets deleted. Ok first off any one can die as an LD. Anyone can buff an LD. Rememebr that when you go LD you stay in game for like 10 minutes and are very much attackable so why not healable. The only way you can safely log ogg and not be attackable is to do the /sit, /logout commands. if you just hit dissconnect then you stay in game for around 10 minutes. In order for SOE to remove alt's buffing the disconnected jedi they have to make it so a disconected player is unattackable aswell.So you see the problem here i hope... well maybe you don't after all your are just a BH. j/k. I guess I will spell it our for you. You think its bad now when a jedi tries to hide and /logout. What do you think it will be like if all of a sudden a jedi can just hit the disconnect button and be unattakable???? TNot only jedi but then this screws over the GCW and PVP even more then it is now. Think before you speak people.
/cheer
piezo
Tue Oct 05, 2004 6:54 am
#49
Yes, it could be called an exploit, if you read the rules of the game. They state specifically that an exploit is "using a bugto gainunintended advantage". Having 2 players on one account logged in at the same time could be called a bug, and buffing that way is an unintended advantage. If you reported it like that, and got a csr to see it, action might be taken......but its kind of a dicky thing to do for such a minor exploit. Save your reports for the real jedi exploits, of which there are many.
lividspiral
Tue Oct 05, 2004 8:39 am
#50
I always assumed you could die as long as your toon body was in the SWG world. ive been killed a time or two when logging in before i even get the game up and running and am still loading, due to absent mindedly leaving myself to log in rancor valley at 2am when half asleep. ive also been killed in the cantina by corsec agents in coronet when still logging in due to my -5000 corsec faction. ive also been killed when ive been booted out in the DWB and gone LD as well (though this was while in a large group on Test Center). if jedi somehow get some special treatment i'll be all sad on the inside.
jayhof
Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:50 am
#51
Over the weekend I happened to see a BH with a r3 droid that had unbeliavable speed both in combat and chasing a jedi. It was hitting 3-4 times a second at about 100 damage per hit, plus it could almost keep up with a jedi with force run on. It only got slower when its mind got low. I have 2 jedi friends that had to fight this BH. Is this normal? Are r3's sopposed to be like that? If so where can I get one lol. But I believe it is a pre-cu droid. Anyinfo on this would be greatly appreciated. I personally think that the droid is bugged but thats just me.
edit: After looking at the combat logs it was hitting more then 2 times per second but that still really fast.
Message Edited by jayhof on 09-21-2005 06:36 AM
Idahe
Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:47 am
#52
The most likely explanation for thebehavior you noticed is lag. The droid was not actually hitting that often or moving that fast, the lag just made it appear that way. I mean no offense to you or your system, lag happens to everyone.
My droids attack fairly quickly, about once every 1-2 seconds. I am pretty sure a CL 30 combat droid is attack speed capped, but I have not tested. As for the movement, most R3s are slower than dirt's grandmother and can not keep up with my toon normal running, much less keeping up with a burst run or Jedi force run.