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Thread: jedi cloak and run
TheMadCoder wrote:
Eskie wrote:
CU design - react to your opponents moves. If you are not able to hit "Esc" - "KD" when you see the Jedi with an animation below his feet, you simply are too slow. You have 35m range with a pistol, even with FR3 the Jedi will need some time to get out of your range - and the KD will buy you time to get in range again. Paralyze lasts longer than 30 seconds, so as MBH / CM 44x4 you should always have a KD ready when you need it.
How can one be "too slow" when there's a 30 second timer on that ability? Never use KD at all during a battle so as an "MBH / CM 44x4 you should always have a KD ready when you need it."KD is a pretty good ability, and if a BH isn't using it during a battle, he's just plain doing something wrong.Remove the KD timer, and I'd agree. Otherwise, that's just plain absurd.
Read what I just said about the Paralyze timer and the KD timer.
Eskie wrote:
TheMadCoder wrote:
Eskie wrote:
CU design - react to your opponents moves. If you are not able to hit "Esc" - "KD" when you see the Jedi with an animation below his feet, you simply are too slow. You have 35m range with a pistol, even with FR3 the Jedi will need some time to get out of your range - and the KD will buy you time to get in range again. Paralyze lasts longer than 30 seconds, so as MBH / CM 44x4 you should always have a KD ready when you need it.
How can one be "too slow" when there's a 30 second timer on that ability? Never use KD at all during a battle so as an "MBH / CM 44x4 you should always have a KD ready when you need it."
KD is a pretty good ability, and if a BH isn't using it during a battle, he's just plain doing something wrong.
Remove the KD timer, and I'd agree. Otherwise, that's just plain absurd.
Read what I just said about the Paralyze timer and the KD timer.
Eskie wrote:
If you play smart you will have a KD ready whenever the Jedi is able to activate Force Run. Im not giving any more hints since it could be used against me
Hints? I've been hunting Jedi for nearly 2 years (since the first unlocks,) and you want me to take hints from you? How long have you been a Jedi? Have you ever been an MBH?
It's the abilities that are screwed up, and the abuse of them.
NOT tactics.
I try never to cry nerf, but the amount of trolling on this board by Jedi is just becoming unbearable. I think it's timefor the BHs to be thesqueaky wheels, as the Jedi have been since the hologrind.
Or, maybe every single player in the game should just become a Jedi. That would be kewl... 
....really even up the odds...
Message Edited by TheMadCoder on 07-21-2005 11:46 AM
TheMadCoder wrote:
Eskie wrote:
If you play smart you will have a KD ready whenever the Jedi is able to activate Force Run. Im not giving any more hints since it could be used against me
Hints? I've been hunting Jedi for nearly 2 years (since the first unlocks,) and you want me to take hints from you? How long have you been a Jedi? Have you ever been an MBH?
It's the abilities that are screwed up, and the abuse of them.
NOT tactics.
I try never to cry nerf, but the amount of trolling on this board by Jedi is just becoming unbearable. I think it's time for the BHs to be the squeaky wheels, as the Jedi have been since the hologrind.
Or, maybe every single player in the game should just become a Jedi. That would be kewl...
Message Edited by TheMadCoder on 07-21-2005 11:46 AM
I have an MBH badge in my bio, yes. But to be honest, BHing pre-CU doesnt say anything about BHing post-CU.
Currently were having a healthy discussion, no trolling involved. These forums are open for anyone to post as long as its constructive and doesnt turn into a flame fest. BHs are posting on the Jedi forums just like Jedi are posting here. I guess that comes with the relation between the two professions.
Back on topic: Using Force Cloak or Force Run to escape is intended use of the skills, in no way is it abuse of those skills.
Message Edited by Eskie on 07-21-2005 05:52 PM
Alstoned wrote:
You can use parawan to keep yourself within 20 meters as well. If you are up against someone with cloak chances are there template does not have much offensive output... so don't be worried about staying close. As for cloak not working in combat, that's like saying you shouldnt be able to use a saber while fighting.... it's an escape tool for a reason, because us force powers guys are soft and die very easy.
Ragen_Nightstalker wrote:
TheMadCoder wrote:
shadykiller wrote:
you coudl get a freind to use a droid instead cus then he wont just blow it up in 3 sec
This thread is truly getting sickening. It's Jedi saying "we're not uber" and BHs saying "we want a chance to kill a Jedi, not lose them from radar to one click of a button.
(* btw, I already addressed this issue in a previous post- Jedi/BH is now *1v1* - Getting a friend to throw a bot at 20 meters is just as cheap as house running. Personally, this is NOT the solution (although yes, it can currently work.) It also does not prevent FR.
Dont look at me, i said cloak should be nerfd so that you cant use it while in combat, and as for the force runner's burst run food does wonder's at catching them.
What you say about Cloak not working in combat i can say about droids not working on kash. Why should a BH devote a whole branch to his template to droids when they cant be used to do there job.
Numa2 wrote:
Alstoned wrote:
You can use parawan to keep yourself within 20 meters as well. If you are up against someone with cloak chances are there template does not have much offensive output... so don't be worried about staying close. As for cloak not working in combat, that's like saying you shouldnt be able to use a saber while fighting.... it's an escape tool for a reason, because us force powers guys are soft and die very easy.
Ragen_Nightstalker wrote:
TheMadCoder wrote:
shadykiller wrote:
you coudl get a freind to use a droid instead cus then he wont just blow it up in 3 sec
This thread is truly getting sickening. It's Jedi saying "we're not uber" and BHs saying "we want a chance to kill a Jedi, not lose them from radar to one click of a button.(* btw, I already addressed this issue in a previous post - Jedi/BH is now *1v1* - Getting a friend to throw a bot at 20 meters is just as cheap as house running. Personally, this is NOT the solution (although yes, it can currently work.) It also does not prevent FR.
Dont look at me, i said cloak should be nerfd so that you cant use it while in combat, and as for the force runner's burst run food does wonder's at catching them.
What you say about Cloak not working in combat i can say about droids not working on kash. Why should a BH devote a whole branch to his template to droids when they cant be used to do there job.
So youre wasting a whole skill line since droids never work? I think not.
Ask Force Enhancers about the usefulness of the xx4x line, ask Force Healers about the usefulness of the Master box and the xxx4 line, ask Force Wielders about the usefulness of Force Lightning. Can we focus this discussion on Force Cloak and maybe Force Run, please? There are already enough threads out there about Seekers and Kashyyyk.
TheMadCoder wrote:
Eskie wrote:
If you play smart you will have a KD ready whenever the Jedi is able to activate Force Run. Im not giving any more hints since it could be used against me
Hints? I've been hunting Jedi for nearly 2 years (since the first unlocks,) and you want me to take hints from you? How long have you been a Jedi? Have you ever been an MBH?
It's the abilities that are screwed up, and the abuse of them.
NOT tactics.
I try never to cry nerf, but the amount of trolling on this board by Jedi is just becoming unbearable. I think it's timefor the BHs to be thesqueaky wheels, as the Jedi have been since the hologrind.
Or, maybe every single player in the game should just become a Jedi. That would be kewl...
Message Edited by TheMadCoder on 07-21-200511:46 AM
You know I have to agree with you, this thread is rediculous. But not for your reasons, every person that does not agree with your whinning is not a Jedi. I dont care how long you have been hunting Jedi, you could only be hunting them post CU for 3 months, just because you played for 2 years does not mean you are good at the CU. I did not look at your post history, however if you have been hunting Jedi since the first unlocks you must have pages of whines.
Not all jedi have cloak, if they have cloak it is at the expense of some other offense or defense, they have the same skill points as everyone else, there is no master LS, master def , master enh, master powers, this thread and many others seem to assume that all jedi are masters of all disciplines.
If the Jedi didnt cloak, turned to face you and killed you, we would be reading about some other "overpowered" skill. Personally I think they should remove Jedi and BH from the game, it would reduce the whinning on the forums by 90%.
Eskie wrote:
I have an MBH badge in my bio, yes.
That's a rather vauge quote. Do you mean you respeced to MBH, got the badge, and then later unlocked Jedi? Or that your alt is an MBH and you actively hunt? Did you use MBH as your "one skill" to go FS? Having a badge and being an MBH are two different things. I'm not questioning your BH abilities here, but saying "I have the badge" doesn't mean much.
Back on topic: Using Force Cloak or Force Run to escape is intended use of the skills, in no way is it abuse of those skills.
I'm not saying that Jedi shouldn't use every skill in the book. Hell, if BHs had a button that said "insta-kill that Jedi," I would use it in a heartbeat. The devs aren't stupid enough to do that. But that's not the point, the point is that they ARE there and are being abused. In-so-much as the Jedi population is getting FAR out of hand. Has you noticed that every Lok group now has 1 to 2 Jedi. PER GROUP? I have no idea what the stats are, but Jedi (knights!) are everywhere! Why? Because they don't face XP loss, unless they actually have the balls (or stupidity) to stand and fight. Most don't. They FR, FC, or HR/HS (that's house running & house sitting to you and me.)
We're here to keep the Jedi population in check - not cottle you! Being a Jedi is not hard, as it should be. It's a grind, yes, but that doesn't make it hard, just long - I won't even get into LOS exploits and /afk grinding at this point. Thankfully, for you anyway, you no longer have to worry about XP due to the abilities the devs have given you.
NOTE - I hate typing 5-10 paragraphs and hitting the "quote" button instead of the "font color" button. This is just a quick version of what I originally typed. My fingers are sore.
diepa wrote:
Personally I think they should remove Jedi and BH from the game, it would reduce the whinning on the forums by 90%.
That is the smartest thing I've ever heard anyone say on these boards - ever.
Simple solution... move cloak to Master Powers.
If the Jedi has committed that much skill to the powers profession, then odds are his defenses aren't that great.... he'll need cloak.
rscheibler wrote:
Simple solution... move cloak to Master Powers.
If the Jedi has committed that much skill to the powers profession, then odds are his defenses aren't that great.... he'll need cloak.
Yep
TheMadCoder wrote:
Eskie wrote:
I have an MBH badge in my bio, yes.That's a rather vauge quote. Do you mean you respeced to MBH, got the badge, and then later unlocked Jedi? Or that your alt is an MBH and you actively hunt? Did you use MBH as your "one skill" to go FS? Having a badge and being an MBH are two different things. I'm not questioning your BH abilities here, but saying "I have the badge" doesn't mean much.
Back on topic: Using Force Cloak or Force Run to escape is intended use of the skills, in no way is it abuse of those skills.
I'm not saying that Jedi shouldn't use every skill in the book. Hell, if BHs had a button that said "insta-kill that Jedi," I would use it in a heartbeat. The devs aren't stupid enough to do that. But that's not the point, the point is that they ARE there and are being abused. In-so-much as the Jedi population is getting FAR out of hand. Has you noticed that every Lok group now has 1 to 2 Jedi. PER GROUP? I have no idea what the stats are, but Jedi (knights!) are everywhere! Why? Because they don't face XP loss, unless they actually have the balls (or stupidity) to stand and fight. Most don't. They FR, FC, or HR/HS (that's house running & house sitting to you and me.)We're here to keep the Jedi population in check - not cottle you! Being a Jedi is not hard, as it should be. It's a grind, yes, but that doesn't make it hard, just long - I won't even get into LOS exploits and /afk grinding at this point. Thankfully, for you anyway, you no longer have to worry about XP due to the abilities the devs have given you.
NOTE - I hate typing 5-10 paragraphs and hitting the "quote" button instead of the "font color" button. This is just a quick version of what I originally typed. My fingers are sore.
a) Grinded investigation all on NPC marks around September / October 2004. My alt is not a BH, I did not fight Jedi as a BH post CU. I did a lot of professions and did not have BH when I did my FS grind - at that time I was Master Rifles / Master Doc.
b) BHs are not meant as Jedi population control. If that was the case, BHs would have to be able to stop the xp gain of Jedi and the means to make them lose skills. Its not a good game design to allow one class of players to completely stop game progression of another class, though. The problem is Jedi being visible, not Jedi being there. But this is a whole other topic and we can discuss it in a different thread if you want.
I dont have Force Cloak nor Force Run 1 currently, btw. But I am not on the terms, either
Message Edited by Eskie on 07-21-2005 06:28 PM