Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: New pathetic Jedi tactic
charwoods
Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:43 am
#40
HereticLosMorte wrote:
have a bh char (main) and my MLS/MDEF jedi char (2ndary).
my jedi is a precu template, i never changed it as i loved mdef precu also.
now, i've never even used this tactic, always keep the pressure on the bh's i fight. didn't even think of it, to be honest.
force regen is roughly 5 force, every 5 sec. roughly.
now, so far, i've only died to 1 mcm bh, of all that have come after me.
compared to most profs, jedi is overpowered. it should be, but it should also not be a faction related profession. it should have it's own content away from the other professions (other than bh).
now, healing is really overpowered also, ex. CM and DR healing. a CM or doc can outheal a jedi no problem. until the devs nerf healing, and whatever else they hit, we just have to live with all this junk.
the only real problem i have with jedi is force run. cowardly skill. doesn't even drain force... what is up with that? a jedi with no force can keep force run activated and run off from a fight. before force run actually USED force, now it's a mockery and a complete getaway skill.
I know who the MBH/MCM was.
It was a great fight though. By far the toughest one yet where I was still victorious. /kowtow a'ayla
trajen2
Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:47 am
#41
whats the differnce between him useing his skills to avoid damage while regenning and you using your skills to outheal and damage he can do to you?
Using your given skills is NEVER a flaw in game mechanics
Qwad
Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:06 am
#42
Nathanielstarr wrote:
Opie76 wrote:
Nathanielstarr wrote:
Jedi that start losing are now doing this to me all the time. It's the MLS Defender types (known because of saber throw knockdown and aura). So what they do is they don't attack, they just regen force and mind while standing there and sometimes kneeling. So with aura up you don't do enough damage to completely take them out. They keep healing, their force regens more than they use and their mind doesn't stay down long enough to finish it.I'm a good Jedi hunter. Jedi have a hard time killing me. I've taken out 95 of them all by myself. I run them out of force and mind because Im good with my roots and knockdowns and intimidate. I actually fight. I move, change up my attacks and put thought into it. So why reward those for the most mindless tactic?I don't think it's right that just because of a flaw in game mechanics they can regen force faster than they use it even with heals and aura, while regening mind because other than that theyare doing nothing at all.Is doing nothing the best tactic for a Jedi?
A new winner for stupidest comment of the day. The Devs purposely upped force regen because creatures hit alot harder now and we tend to do more combat moves to kill the same creature now as we did PRE-CU.Guess you should just learn some new tactics.
So the devs intended to make Jedi invulnerable by just standing there because animals hit harder and you don't find that flawed? Oh you said "we tend to do more combat moves" so you're a jedi. You probably use this tactic and think it makes you LEET.Seriously Mr. jedi come kill me.
Not all Jedi are MLS/MDEF.
Dewbacca_BHG_
Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:43 am
#43
I personally dont have a huge problem with what the original poster stated, I mean I have been in these long fights, and it usually is first mistake loses, I have been on the winning end, I have been on the losing end. The thing that bothers me is the last long fight I had, I started out in a cantina, got the total suprise on the jedi, had him incapped, except he was able to avoid incap. That was frustrating, I used my first strike and took out all their health, and the jedi was still able to avoid death, doesn't always happen, but when it does its frustrating. I know if I cant get that initial death blow, I am in for a hour+ fight. Guess its part of the job tho.
balock_the_zabrak
Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:47 am
#44
Sorry, but I am a MBH and I feel that if we are entitled to do anything for the kill, then jedi are entitled to do anything to survive. That is like saying that if you could take a chance to kill a jedi you wouldn't. Jedi don't want to die, so why should they let you kill them. I guess all jedi say, "hey you know what, this bounty hunter is better than me, let him kill me as a reward." I think not. It areprobably saying,"Crap, I better get out of here or I better regen now so I can survive." SO if you have 95 kills you are a good bh and the jedi probably would have fell to you, but that is another tatic they get. While I don't believe jedi should be super-uber, I do believe that their regen and aura are fine by me.
KyiasLightsun
Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:48 am
#45
Jedi on regenning is like telling a CM who paralysis you and puts on all his states care free....
but noone wants to talk about the CM who uses some of the exact same tactics.
but noone wants to talk about the CM who uses some of the exact same tactics.
Compton
Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:51 am
#46
balock_the_zabrak wrote:
Sorry, but I am a MBH and I feel that if we are entitled to do anything for the kill, then jedi are entitled to do anything to survive. That is like saying that if you could take a chance to kill a jedi you wouldn't. Jedi don't want to die, so why should they let you kill them. I guess all jedi say, "hey you know what, this bounty hunter is better than me, let him kill me as a reward." I think not. It areprobably saying,"Crap, I better get out of here or I better regen now so I can survive." SO if you have 95 kills you are a good bh and the jedi probably would have fell to you, but that is another tatic they get. While I don't believe jedi should be super-uber, I do believe that their regen and aura are fine by me.
I understand your line of thought. In the case that I wrote about above, the Jedi never attacked me even once. He never ran to regen or even showed a sign of weakness. He knew that he could just sit there and not be defeated, given that he didn't attack. In fact, while he was on his back, he was blocking most of my shots. Something I don't think they should be able to do.
mickolakis
Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:56 am
#47
This isn't a new tactic, it's been around for quite a long time.
Ithink what the OP is complaining about is that with a macro running a Jedi is essentially invulnerable, or at least invulnerable to certain BH templates.
There have been several variations of this post on the Jedi forums along the lines of" I was chatting with guildies, BH turns up, I don't feel like fighting, turn my macro on, BH hits me for all he's worth for 1/2 hour, can't kill me because of macro, BH gets bored and goes away".
There are a large number of intelligent people with a lot of time on their hands who will eventually figure out a way to abuse the system to give themselves an advantage. As we saw with cloak this can unfortunately ledto nerfs. People have been messing around with Jedi macros and have come up with tactic whereby if you don't fight back or use force run you can channel your force in such a way that it never runs out and you cannot be killed.
Even a MCM or MDoc with healing eff clothing and all the right foods cannot heal massive damagecontinuously without running out of mind very quickly.
This isn't necessarily an exploit, just using the mechanics of the game in an unintended way. As usual abuse of these mechanics eventually results in a nerf. The people using this macro will get aura, infusion, valour (or whichever combination is used in this macro) nerfed to the detrement of the Jedi community as a whole.
The OP, judging from his post count, joining date and number of kills is not a n00b,.The chances are he has good armour, a good kinetic weapon, good tactics and knows how to use his template. This is probably the first time he has come up against this particular tactic.
Probably a better title would have been "How do you over come this particular tactic with my template?"
Message Edited by mickolakis on 09-28-2005 09:01 AM
Dewbacca_BHG_
Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:58 am
#48
KyiasLightsun wrote:
Jedi on regenning is like telling a CM who paralysis you and puts on all his states care free....
but noone wants to talk about the CM who uses some of the exact same tactics.
Ya it is kinda a silly arguement. I mean if you as a BH can stay in the fight as long as the jedi then, well you are both even. Sure it is weird when the jedi just lies there and regens, but its not much different than what you are doing to stay in the fight as well. I think if anything, if we get the jump on a jedi and he isn't able to react fast enough, he shouldn't be able to avoid the incap, if First strike is truely the BHs best weapon.
KammaRocca
Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:25 am
#49
It's not a new tactic, and it's far from pathetic. If I wanted an easy kill, I'd head outside Mos Eisley and spam spray shot on the dwarf nunas.
Dewbacca_BHG_
Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:34 am
#50
Ya, but killing 20 things at once with spray shot is pretty fun
Geodan
Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:22 am
#51
Nathanielstarr wrote:
I fought this jedi straight up. He was standing with his friends not afk no animals around. I had a fwg 966 damage with a 34% damage powerup giving it about 510 min damage and only -.2 speed. My buffs ran out and he tried again but got whooped then went back to this tactic. Jedi have too many I dont lose buttons and are really just pathetic. Most of these guys if they were regular toons would not be able to hack pvp. They say get new tactics well I think the Jedi should actually have to use tactics not rely on blocking and regening force and mind. It's just stupid.
Well to me this sounds likea Post-CU Jedi that isn't able to get good enough pearls/crystals to make a saber with high enough damage to put up a good fight. You speak of your Featherweight FWG5 that is damage capped at 966 (and most likely SAC capped at 65), that most likely was made with some nice +184 dmg Reinforcement Casings looted on BH missions, on top of which you have applied a damage powerup. However, many post-cu sabers have a max damage of around 400-500 with a min damage of about 100pts less than max. Also, the SAC on a saber is usually between 95-100 (if its made by an MLS with the best resources, etc.), but could be as high as 127 and has not only a cost of action to use but also a cost of Force. I would pose this question: if you were up against an opponent (NPC or otherwise) and you started firing your weapon and noticed that it wasn't doing enough damage on your opponent to cause the health bar to move while your own health or possibly action was steadily fading away, would you stand there and fight a battle you know you would lose? Would you run? Or maybe try and see if there were some other skill or tactic that SOE provided you with so that your equipment didn't deteriorate in the clone center?
I believe you should use your template to the fullest no matter what template you choose, be it a MBH/MCM, MBH/MR, MBH/MDOC, or even a JEDI. Instead of complaining about how another person uses their particular skill set, you should step back and think how you could better use your own skill set. You do actually have the option of dropping the mission or even choosing not to fight Jedi that choose to not fight you. Believe it or not, not everyone who started playing this game and who decided they would like to undergo the excrutiating grind to become a Jedi, had the desire or intention to be hunted by Bounty Hunters. There was certainly nothing on the box that said:
"WARNING: become a Jedi at your own risk as doing so automatically makes you the game content of all players who decide to become Bounty Hunters!"
LordMarr
Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:35 am
#52
always attack a jedi when most vulnerable. Timing is crucial, if you attack a jedi with a full bar of force prepare for a long, long engagements that you will 90 percent of the time lose. I get alot of tells after i kill a jedi when they were not ready or were occupied fighting a lair. They often tell me "i would just like a fair fight". But to to be all honest with one another, If i offered the jedi a fair fight, would the jedi fight fair? They are already much more powerful than you just by game design even without using bugs.If in this "fair fight"if you were winning, half of them will use every illegal means necessary to thrawt you,they will usebugs and 3rd party hacks.
Tip, jedi that use 3rd party speed hacks, use roots, disarming shots, and any means to disrupt their macro. When a jedi decides to use a 3rd party speed hack they will force run away and get about 150 meters distance from you(long enough to tab out, activate the hack and tab back in), the attacks are so fast that they can not use thekeyboard fast enoughso they run an attack macro that does everything for them, they will even type messages in spatial at you while they are running their hack. I have survived a few times against these 3rd party hacks by disrupting their macro.But since they are fighting 3 or4 times faster than the game permits, they will burn massive amounts of force power. I had one jediaccuse me of beingan "exploiter" cause he couldnt kill me using his 3rd party speed hack and he was outa force. I laughed, i mean is it like some sorta ego trip to win every fight? If i had a dollar everytime i died in this game i could by anew computer.
This doesnt work all the time but i have survived twice using this method. Also forgot, dont move, the latency is so bad that you will revert back to the same spot over and over again when in the presence of a 3rd party speed hack. Heal, disarm, heal, disarm, root, duelist stance, eat melee defense food, synth steak,and pray he burns out.
I have reported violaters that use hacks but its really hard for SOE to catch them cause they can turn it off and on at a whim. Most that use 3rd party programs will use them against a bh, in pvp against other jedi they wont since they want to fight another jedi. BHs are more of a nuisance so using a 3rd party hack they will get rid of you fast so they can get back to what they were doing is the usual ploy.
I been playing for over2 years and fought many jedi, i use to whine alot about the bugs and exploits but i have gotten used to it. I just dont give them the opportunity to be ready for me and i can get the money more regularly.
My biggest peave at the moment is an overt jedi running inside a faction base while TEFd to avoid a bh.
Message Edited by LordMarr on 09-28-2005 11:40 AM