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Thread: New pathetic Jedi tactic
True story: I was grinding toward master smuggler/MBH and decided to try my great new attacks on some nunas outside Mos Entha. I took out a whole group of nunas with my spray shot but missed a couple, so I look for some other new attacks to try--last ditch looked interesting so I tried it for the spare, missed, and got the dreaded "You have been incapacitated by a dwarf nuna."
So I guess in the spirit of this thread: Nerf the dwarf nunas!!!!
Nathanielstarr wrote:
Jedi that start losing are now doing this to me all the time. It's the MLS Defender types (known because of saber throw knockdown and aura). So what they do is they don't attack, they just regen force and mind while standing there and sometimes kneeling. So with aura up you don't do enough damage to completely take them out. They keep healing, their force regens more than they use and their mind doesn't stay down long enough to finish it.
I'm a good Jedi hunter. Jedi have a hard time killing me. I've taken out 95 of them all by myself. I run them out of force and mind because Im good with my roots and knockdowns and intimidate. I actually fight. I move, change up my attacks and put thought into it. So why reward those for the most mindless tactic?
I don't think it's right that just because of a flaw in game mechanics they can regen force faster than they use it even with heals and aura, while regening mind because other than that theyare doing nothing at all.
Is doing nothing the best tactic for a Jedi?
How is this a cheap tactic? How many times in a duel have you stood there for a few seconds with duelist stance up so you can regen your action or mind pool so you can continue to fight? Same exact difference. They're not using Force to stand there and defend, as they already spent it to cast aura or whatever they use, so it just comes to reason that if they stand there defending, their Force bar will regen, same as our Action bar does in the same instance.
Cahnuuk wrote:
Tracce wrote:
Nathanielstarr wrote:
Jedi that start losing are now doing this to me all the time. It's the MLS Defender types (known because of saber throw knockdown and aura). So what they do is they don't attack, they just regen force and mind while standing there and sometimes kneeling. So with aura up you don't do enough damage to completely take them out. They keep healing, their force regens more than they use and their mind doesn't stay down long enough to finish it.
I'm a good Jedi hunter. Jedi have a hard time killing me. I've taken out 95 of them all by myself. I run them out of force and mind because Im good with my roots and knockdowns and intimidate. I actually fight. I move, change up my attacks and put thought into it. So why reward those for the most mindless tactic?
I don't think it's right that just because of a flaw in game mechanics they can regen force faster than they use it even with heals and aura, while regening mind because other than that they are doing nothing at all.
Is doing nothing the best tactic for a Jedi?
Ok, I know this will be difficult for you, but your gonna have to put away that CDEF pistol that you got as a noob. When you play with the big dogs, you need better weapons.
Come on people, realy, when a BH comes after me, and 10 seconds to a minute later he is dead, thats insulting. Take a little pride in yourself and your profession. Get a decent weapon. Get decent armor. Get your armor AB sliced. Above all, LEARN TO PLAY YOUR BH CHARACTER. It is da-mn disgusting when a BH has to ask a Jedi to teach him how to fight his marks, after he just got schooled by the same Jedi.
The problem with Nathanielstarr seems to be that he keeps coming light when he gets a Jedi mission. He obiously knows nothing about his profession, and its requirements. If you are not doing enough damage to a Jedi, then the answer is obvious: Get a better gun, and evaluate your tactics.
In conclusion, I find it extreemly disapointing that a person with a post count of 3497 (OP) could have absolutly no clue about the game mechanics.
Then again, he may be ebayed.
Not that I necessarily agree with the OP, but do learn to read before flaming.
Hmm... so let's see here....
Jedi is winning... check
Jedi is not using an exploit... check
Game is flawed.... has it ever not been?
Bounty Hunter is complaining he can't kill his mark 1v1 when Jedi are supposed to be 1.5x stronger... check
.......I fail to see the problem here. It's a tactic. It is no more pathetic than a BH picking up combat medic for their skills. If it works and it's not an exploit, use it.
Nathanielstarr wrote:Jedi that start losing are now doing this to me all the time. It's the MLS Defender types (known because of saber throw knockdown and aura). So what they do is they don't attack, they just regen force and mind while standing there and sometimes kneeling. So with aura up you don't do enough damage to completely take them out. They keep healing, their force regens more than they use and their mind doesn't stay down long enough to finish it.I'm a good Jedi hunter. Jedi have a hard time killing me. I've taken out 95 of them all by myself. I run them out of force and mind because Im good with my roots and knockdowns and intimidate. I actually fight. I move, change up my attacks and put thought into it. So why reward those for the most mindless tactic?I don't think it's right that just because of a flaw in game mechanics they can regen force faster than they use it even with heals and aura, while regening mind because other than that theyare doing nothing at all.Is doing nothing the best tactic for a Jedi?
Man this is getting lame. Up untill now, bounty hunters complained about how Jedi were cowards for running away. And now we get a new breed of Bounty Hunters who biotch about how Jedi just likes to stand there, and do nothing, instead of running the usuall way.
LoL, wether you ran or stand, some Bounty Hunters will always find something to moan about.
If you can't can't deal with the Jedi, just move on, maybe Bounty Hunting or PVP is not meant for you, and you are just aint good enough. Maybe you should try crafting for once, it might make your nerves more calm and you might be in peacefull harmony.
BufordT_Justice wrote:
HereticLosMorte wrote:
now, healing is really overpowered also, ex. CM and DR healing. a CM or doc can outheal a jedi no problem. until the devs nerf healing, and whatever else they hit, we just have to live with all this junk.
Quit calling for CM and Doc heal timers to get nerfed. Doc and CM should be able to outheal Jedi that cherry pick the 4xxx line from healer. Its been said that MHealer needs some lovin'. Ok, at MHealer you get your heal timer cut in half. So now you can heal for 1500+ every 3.5 seconds. I think thats fair.. but lets be real guys, stop trying to swing a nerf bat around just because your X got nerfed and someone elses Y can still do it better.
Message Edited by BufordT_Justice on 09-28-2005 07:00 AM
so you're saying someone who is doc healing tree, or cm 4,x,x,x should be able to outheal force healer 4,x,x,x? how do you figure?
they're all tier 4 healing.
btw, i didn't say NERF IT, i said, wait till it gets nerfed. you sound as if nothing ever gets nerfed by the idiotic devs in this game. it's inevitable.
charwoods wrote:
HereticLosMorte wrote:
have a bh char (main) and my MLS/MDEF jedi char (2ndary).
my jedi is a precu template, i never changed it as i loved mdef precu also.
now, i've never even used this tactic, always keep the pressure on the bh's i fight. didn't even think of it, to be honest.
force regen is roughly 5 force, every 5 sec. roughly.
now, so far, i've only died to 1 mcm bh, of all that have come after me.
compared to most profs, jedi is overpowered. it should be, but it should also not be a faction related profession. it should have it's own content away from the other professions (other than bh).
now, healing is really overpowered also, ex. CM and DR healing. a CM or doc can outheal a jedi no problem. until the devs nerf healing, and whatever else they hit, we just have to live with all this junk.
the only real problem i have with jedi is force run. cowardly skill. doesn't even drain force... what is up with that? a jedi with no force can keep force run activated and run off from a fight. before force run actually USED force, now it's a mockery and a complete getaway skill.
I know who the MBH/MCM was.It was a great fight though. By far the toughest one yet where I was still victorious. /kowtow a'ayla
thank ya sir /kowtow
i was trying to teach my friend who just came back, how to use mbh postcu. was gonna duel him and give him tips and such. bh/cm pulls up, i end duel with my buddy, and the bh paralyzes me. i believe it has a 15 sec timer, if i'm correct. well, anyways, not even 30 sec after the paralyze was off me, he was corpsed. my buddy was like "uh...... i sorta just lost all confidence." lol
but he actually did quite well, despite the specials bug, where they lock up and can't be used.
i've had jedi try to do that to me, but my accuracy is high enough that i can overcome his force aura and deal enough damage to keep him healing and using force. they usually wise up, stop doing it, and start running.
the only ones you cannot outdamage faster than their healing/regen are the ones who pop a health buff crystal and have aura+valor running. there is nothing to do when a jedi has 6400 health because your DPS can never overcome 6400 health. only way to beat them then is to wait 2 hours for their crystal to wear off. LOL. i usually just write-off these situations as if a jedi ran into a private house and is unattackable.
think of it this way: if a jedi could kill you, he would, but they do these "tricks" because they can't. basically, you've won by forfeit if a jedi does this or runs.
they REALLY need to fix those health buff crystals.
they're still set for precu, not postcu
man, I always get irritated when I read the BH forums.
There are only about 5 bounty hunters that auctually post on here, the rest are jedi with BH alts.
I dont even hunt jedi much, I dont have the template for it, and I dont really care to, but anytime I come here, I just get pi$$ed off at the whole "holier then thou" attitude the jehti have, and I have to go hunt a few afterwards.
I'm maybe 50/50 win loss ratio, I have ranged arms on, no CM, and I always end up fighting pre-cu jedi, with pearl stacked sabers. Sucks getting slapped around for 1.5k per hit, but im not gonna change templates, I dont care, I was here before the jedi came, and I will be here after they leave.
And no, I dont have jedi envy, I bought the game to be a bounty hunter, I have been a bounty hunter always, and will always stay one. If I wanted to be a jedi, all I gotta do is go set in a spin group for a few nights, get 2 more FS trees, and be done with it, but I dont care.
BS like this sit there and wait stuff, just makes me madder, this game wasnt supposed to be paper rock siscors, it was supposed to be paper/paper/paper/fire. Jedi were supposed to be uber, and rare, diddnt work out that way, jehti became more common then dirt, so they hard to be balanced, being able to AFK a bounty hunter like that, is just BS
Hnglka wrote:
BooleScaric wrote:
Nathanielstarr wrote:
BooleScaric wrote:
Nathanielstarr wrote:
Jedi that start losing are now doing this to me all the time. It's the MLS Defender types (known because of saber throw knockdown and aura). So what they do is they don't attack, they just regen force and mind while standing there and sometimes kneeling. So with aura up you don't do enough damage to completely take them out. They keep healing, their force regens more than they use and their mind doesn't stay down long enough to finish it.
I'm a good Jedi hunter. Jedi have a hard time killing me. I've taken out 95 of them all by myself. I run them out of force and mind because Im good with my roots and knockdowns and intimidate. I actually fight. I move, change up my attacks and put thought into it. So why reward those for the most mindless tactic?
I don't think it's right that just because of a flaw in game mechanics they can regen force faster than they use it even with heals and aura, while regening mind because other than that theyare doing nothing at all.
Is doing nothing the best tactic for a Jedi?
a MLS /prob. MDEF (Auro is NO sign for Mdef) should do that tactic only, if he knows that he cant beat you with his saber, so he regens his force, mind and action, waiting for you loosing your buffs and attack then.
As always: Jedi are NOT your CONTENT and they can chosse to fight or not. If they would gain some rewards killing you, you would see more Jedi fighting you straight ahead.
You say, this tactic is mindless? But killing a Jedi, when he is in a spingroup as tank with 10 aggro mobs on him is a better tactic? Sorry the Jedi who let you stand there and not fighting back is showing you a good lessen:
FOTM Templates are no I-Win-Button... if you cant do enough damage, rethink your equipment, your skills and your attitude
I fought this jedi straight up. He was standing with his friends not afk no animals around. I had a fwg 966 damage with a 34% damage powerup giving it about 510 min damage and only -.2 speed. My buffs ran out and he tried again but got whooped then went back to this tactic. Jedi have too many I dont lose buttons and are really just pathetic. Most of these guys if they were regular toons would not be able to hack pvp. They say get new tactics well I think the Jedi should actually have to use tactics not rely on blocking and regening force and mind. It's just stupid.
sorry but if you cant do enough dmage you a bad BH, try a kinetic weapon f.e., so he cant just stand and regen and if he still chooses to stand and do nothing learn to live with that.
HE is NOT your CONTENT...
Message Edited by BooleScaric on 09-28-2005 08:33 AM
FWG IS Kinetic. *sigh*
But truly its the Jedi's option to not fight and maintain his force pool for the option of pressing the attack when the odds are in HIS favor. If you cant out damage his defenses enough to cause him to bleed force, then perhaps it's time to move on to another mark unless you want to fight for hours.
And the whole Jedi LamePvpers that cant hack because they are loser Jedi is getting old Nate... the same could be said of the guys with the uber mindfires and legendary weapons pre cu.
I didnt do either. I've never had anything uber especially not dots or anything like that. I took this Jedi on and if he fought he would've lost. He used force when he started swinging his saber and complained about me exploiting because I didn't go down like a punk. I put him down on his butt and dwindled his action to nothing each time. He started to lose everytime he tried, so he had to stop fighting to "use his defenses"......the difference is I don't just knockdown power hit, power hit over and over and expect to win like Jedi do. I have to use everything I have so it sickens me that a Jedi that just happens to be a certain template can stop fighting and essentially win. If I lost I wouldn't complain, but the fact that it's more beneficial for a Jedi to stop fighting than to fight is stupid. And I don't want to be an MCM because I don't want a dot to do the work for me and I'm not into being a FOTM or I would be Jedi by now.