Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: The New Feign Death ( Cloak)
BonoU2 wrote:
More like 1,620,000 if you count the novice box
Warryyr wrote:
Using cloak against a Bounty Hunter isn't an "I WIN" button.
It's a "this is not a time when I want to fight" button.
And you cannot, I repeat, can NOT compare the Feign Death problems of old with your current beef with Cloak.
First off - Feign Death was on a low box of Smuggler. Could be obtained very easily by grinding Padawans, low level Padawans, and used specifically to avoid BH's.
Cloak is a Tier 4 Jedi skill. That's 3,200,000 Jedi xp. That is NOT any kind of comparison to the comparitively small amount of xp required to Feign Death before it was nerfed.
ummmmm no
Nov Box = 20k
Box 1 = 200k
Box 2 = 400k
Box 3 = 800K
Box 4 = 1.6Mil
Total for Cloak = 3,020,000 Mil Exp.
Message Edited by Delroh on 07-15-2005 01:57 PM
Council Member of the SHJO
FernGully wrote:
Cloak is fine. Its not an "I WIN" button, its a "NEITHER OF US WIN" button. You'll never be killed by a Jedi under cloaked (cept for "Oh noes, sploitz!", but even those are supposedly fixed in next patch). But lets assume you're successful in this little campaign and the Devs make it so that cloak is disabled while a Jedi has a BH tef. What's next? How about force run 3? How about stasis? What about parwan? All those can be used for the Jedi to get away from you. And lets face it, at the heart of all these complaints about cloak, that's what's being asked for: "Make it so the Jedi has to stay and fight me to the death." I understand why you want that. This is your content and your money making source, after all, and I can understand how it can be frustrating to have your mark run from you. But quite frankly, I don't think you're ever gonna get that. Its the Jedi's life (and XP) at stake, and if they want to run from you then they should be able to use their skills and abilities to do so.
There's a big difference between the rest of the mentioned skills and cloak... none of the rest make you invulnerable. There are ways to combat it currently, but once they remove the ability to target a cloaked person in the next patch, it will be nigh impossible to try to overload the cloak with allies. All the Jedi needs to do is land one knockdown and he's in the clear - nothing anyone can do about it.
BukuJohnson wrote:
I have kill a 219000, 250000, 260000 but both of my 221000 marks where force cloakers one didn't want to fight and just sat there while i throw posion on him.
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This is the message I hear.
My template can kill 60% of the full template Jedi I face, and that is not good enough. I want a 100% success rate.
Buku
Naritus
slave138 wrote:
EvilAztec wrote:
Then I'll fight to get *every* root, snare, concussion, et al nerfed too. No way in Hades you should be able to kite me and keep me from running away. For every nerf you come up for Jedi, I can submit a list on these boards to nerf into CH/AT-ST level oblivion.
Think before you type, because unlike FD you can prevent this from being used, and rather easily I might add.
I'd rather not nerf.
slave138 wrote:
Alstoned wrote:
Warryyr wrote:
slave138 wrote:
I'd like to see them make Cloak not work if the Jedi is TEF'd. I can understand being able to disappear when people aren't paying attention, but in the middle of a fight when someone is actively keeping an eye on you is another thing all together...
This is one of those situations where you just have to accept this is a game driven by mechanics.
How far is far away enough not to see me? How far can someone "actively keep an eye on me?"
Apparently the Devs' answer to that was 20m.
Maybe it should be increased to 80m for PCs - 20m for NPCs.
This skill is us getting into your mind and tricking it to think we have disappeared... so you guys should be happy that they even gave you 20m......
Once the chain mezzes are gone, I see this getting 'adjusted' too... just wait - you'll see
No one said you shouldn't be able to run. You can run but youshouldn't be able to hide.
The point is, there are things Jedi can do to stop someone from kiting. There are things BH can do to stop BH from running. There is nothing anyone can do once a Jedi cloaks other than hope he runs out of force before he's out of sight.
Why can you be allowed to kite me so i only have 1 move to hit you with, but a power Jedi cant cloak and leave when you get too far away?
Message Edited by BDragon on 07-15-2005 02:51 PM
Warryyr wrote:
JMShunter wrote:
if your a ranged bh and the jedi comes for you what most people would do is kite. Now that jedi can cloak kiting is pointless because then they will just cloak when you get 20+ away. Also in the gcw if a jedi doesnt want to die he can just cloak and run away. you cant track or follow him... hes gone.
Kiting is lame, and completely unfun.
Why bother running after you, when you just run ahead of me in gigantic circles while you snare and root and whatever.
If you wanna fight, then fight and stand your ground. If you wanna kite and waste my time, +CLOAK+
If you can't kite and your ranged, and you're tired of dealing with anti-kiting cloakers, then go melee.
Done deal, right as soon as jedi can't hit me 2 times a second for 1300 damage. Until then however, I don't see any reason why I should be forced to enter within your fighting range (yet alone your saber throw range) just to keep you from running away like a coward when you have abilities like force run to catch up to me between roots or snares. Oh speaking of snares, last I remembered FR negated their effect.
EvilAztec wrote:
Really? This thread: http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=bounty_hunter&message.id=473363says I shouldn't be able to run away either.
Oh and if you plant me at the get go, you can kite me to oblivion. All cloak does is give me the option to leave. You want to kite, fine, I'm not going to stick around.
slave138 wrote:
EvilAztec wrote:
Then I'll fight to get *every* root, snare, concussion, et al nerfed too. No way in Hades you should be able to kite me and keep me from running away. For every nerf you come up for Jedi, I can submit a list on these boards to nerf into CH/AT-ST level oblivion.
Think before you type, because unlike FD you can prevent this from being used, and rather easily I might add.
I'd rather not nerf.
slave138 wrote:
Alstoned wrote:
Warryyr wrote:
slave138 wrote:
I'd like to see them make Cloak not work if the Jedi is TEF'd. I can understand being able to disappear when people aren't paying attention, but in the middle of a fight when someone is actively keeping an eye on you is another thing all together...
This is one of those situations where you just have to accept this is a game driven by mechanics.
How far is far away enough not to see me? How far can someone "actively keep an eye on me?"
Apparently the Devs' answer to that was 20m.
Maybe it should be increased to 80m for PCs - 20m for NPCs.
This skill is us getting into your mind and tricking it to think we have disappeared... so you guys should be happy that they even gave you 20m......
Once the chain mezzes are gone, I see this getting 'adjusted' too... just wait - you'll see
No one said you shouldn't be able to run. You can run but youshouldn't be able to hide.
The point is, there are things Jedi can do to stop someone from kiting. There are things BH can do to stop BH from running. There is nothing anyone can do once a Jedi cloaks other than hope he runs out of force before he's out of sight.
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OK based on your statement what does the game owe me?
I mastered 30 professions to unlock my Jedi pre patch 9. (1200 hours)
I have had to earn over 45mil Jedi xp over the last 16 months due to nerfs and changes to my profession. (200 hours)
I Have tuned over 250 premium pearls and crystals to have the sabers I do. (minimum value 750mil creds)
I Have custom defense clothes with a total of +25 General Melee speed/accuracy, +17 2H LS speed, +13 2H LS accuracy, +25 general ranged accuracy, +20 Force Accuracy, and +3 force regen. (min value 150 mil creds)
I carry 5 health buff crystals. (min value 25 mil creds)
I use 9 ADK, 1 on each article of clothing and 1 on my saber. (min value 90 mil creds)
And I have been a Powers user, the most gimped ranged profession in the game, for the last year. (Priceless)
Buku
Naritus
BDragon wrote:
If cloak should be removed from PvP then so should all mezz/dazz moves also. Cloak is not 'i win', its 'i dont lose' or 'i dont chose to fight you any more'. If that is so gamebreaking then remove paralyze, concussion shot, startle, disarming and stasis while we're at it. All of those moves allow one player to determine the pace and the parameters that the fight will operate at and that to me seems to be you're beef.
Why can you be allowed to kite me so i only have 1 move to hit you with, but a power Jedi cant cloak and leave when you get too far away?
There are recoveries available for every state effect (some require others to remove them, but all can be removed). Does cloak have an "Expose Cloaked Player" action? Maybe a "Clear Mindtricks"? Nope. There's your difference. They are not the same.
MX13 wrote:
BukuJohnson wrote:
I have kill a 219000, 250000, 260000 but both of my 221000 marks where force cloakers one didn't want to fight and just sat there while i throw posion on him.
________________________________________________________________________________________________________
This is the message I hear.
My template can kill 60% of the full template Jedi I face, and that is not good enough. I want a 100% success rate.
Buku
Naritus
/agree
Anyone else here ever see a "250K" or "260K" bounty? LOL
LOLOLOLOL
QFE
slave138 wrote:
FernGully wrote:
Cloak is fine. Its not an "I WIN" button, its a "NEITHER OF US WIN" button. You'll never be killed by a Jedi under cloaked (cept for "Oh noes, sploitz!", but even those are supposedly fixed in next patch). But lets assume you're successful in this little campaign and the Devs make it so that cloak is disabled while a Jedi has a BH tef. What's next? How about force run 3? How about stasis? What about parwan? All those can be used for the Jedi to get away from you. And lets face it, at the heart of all these complaints about cloak, that's what's being asked for: "Make it so the Jedi has to stay and fight me to the death." I understand why you want that. This is your content and your money making source, after all, and I can understand how it can be frustrating to have your mark run from you. But quite frankly, I don't think you're ever gonna get that. Its the Jedi's life (and XP) at stake, and if they want to run from you then they should be able to use their skills and abilities to do so.
There's a big difference between the rest of the mentioned skills and cloak... none of the rest make you invulnerable. There are ways to combat it currently, but once they remove the ability to target a cloaked person in the next patch, it will be nigh impossible to try to overload the cloak with allies. All the Jedi needs to do is land one knockdown and he's in the clear - nothing anyone can do about it.
If I land a KD while I'm rooted, and you're within 20m of me, or you've chosen to attack me while I'm in a public place with people & NPCs around, I'm completely hosed and cloak is out the window.
How is this any different than me FR3ing away? Once I engage fr3 and start Benny Hilling, you aren't gonna catch me unless I feel like letting you.
FernGully wrote:
Once I engage fr3 and start Benny Hilling, you aren't gonna catch me unless I feel like letting you.
Quote'd simply for being lol.