Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: Jedi have no armor... yeah right
Sweere
Mon Aug 15, 2005 9:04 pm
#27
mindspat wrote:
I'm using Defender 4044 andI love it!
I've thought about dropping 4xxx to pick up Enhancer x4xx for the armor...
You'd get more bang for your buck if you did.
Yoshiyuki
Mon Aug 15, 2005 9:31 pm
#28
Geauxx wrote:
You should have been around when all of the Jedi were running around in Comp Armor.
I remeber them days but I was too noob to be affected by it. I did attack a jedi in comp once. I died.
Vcardossk
Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:04 pm
#29
Lets put jedi defenses into perspective for these bh's here.
Let us assume that All combat profesions except tkm get +20 inate armor in the novice box, if you want ANY more defenses(melee, state, ranged, etc) you must go into teras kasi.
A master defender gets a bit more inate armor and defenses than a tkm( a tkm can surpass mdef defneses by going into other profs). The most distinct advantages is valor and aura(cob is similar)and their ability to be used while moving.
And to the OP, i'm a finished knight(or temped padawan to be exact)and have been since CU's earliest days a MP/MEh 4/0/4/0 healer and am currently a mls/mp 4/0/4/0. I have no defenses beyond mediocre innate armor and on average get hit for 800-1.1k per hit. Half my template is totally ineffective except for 2 moves(It's MP if you couldn't guess) and one of those is under constant threat of being nerfed into oblivion. I still have enough fun to warrent keeping it
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Nathanielstarr
Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:32 pm
#30
Corvett wrote:
LxKane wrote:
I've yet to see a Jedi of any lvl that doesn't have or atleast plan to get atleast one tree of Mdef.
I only have Force Armor and no DEf at all, not even novice. However you all reall should not be worried about Jedi anymore. We have been nerfed beyond belief and a MDOC /MSwordsman is stronger and heals better with better buffs.
That's just not true. Maybe with some jedi but not the majority of finished templates.
Nathanielstarr
Tue Aug 16, 2005 12:41 am
#31
Master Defender force armor provides 10000 resists to all attacks. 10000 isn't possible with our armor even in one single area (ie recon with perfect quad layers of energy wouldn't reach 10000). So jedi cannot rightfully say "we cannot wear armor"....
I think the ones that say thatjust need to learn how to fight.
Nathanielstarr
Tue Aug 16, 2005 12:45 am
#32
Zutan wrote:
Not all Jedi have Mdef.. which means some have almost no "armor".. The only problem with that is the balance of a non-Def Jedi vs a Def Jedi is pretty far off as far as survivability goes..
You know what because they chose not to have something is not our problem. No doubt they picked up something like cloak instead and are essentially complaining about the choice they made.
It's like me complaining about not being able to use an armorbreak attack when I chose to be a pistoleer.
Marssk
Tue Aug 16, 2005 12:49 am
#33
Anarchicgorilla wrote:
I know not all jedi have master defender
I donot know if the jedi above did either... I do know he had improved force armor (which is inhancer line).
The point is that I have heard jedi say we have no armour... improved force armor (1 line) give a jedi better amor protection (and all around not just a type) then any crafted RIS (6600 kinetic/ energy is max from what I understand).
I am would believe the jedi was a not master defender that I faced (not sure, only asked if he was full temp)
I say this because of"
Meditate, absorb, and run were used (enhancer 44x4).
Improved saber throw, head, armor break, leg, androot (atleast X444 sabers).
And he cloaked (X4XX powers).
These skills alone will not let you be master defender.. and I would guess this guy was master enhancer do to his force runs.
my RIS helmet is over 7000 energy
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan
Tue Aug 16, 2005 12:55 am
#34
Nathanielstarr wrote:
Master Defender force armor provides 10000 resists to all attacks. 10000 isn't possible with our armor even in one single area (ie recon with perfect quad layers of energy wouldn't reach 10000). So jedi cannot rightfully say "we cannot wear armor"....
I think the ones that say thatjust need to learn how to fight.
How much armor does a MLS/MPowers/Healer 4004 have? Certainly isn't 10k.
How much armor does a MLS/MHealer/Enh4004 have? Certainly isn't 10k.
How much armor does a MEnh/Mpowers/Healer 4040 have? Certainly isn't 10k.
How much armor does a 60 pt jedi have? Certainly isn't 10k.
aekeem
Tue Aug 16, 2005 1:17 am
#35
Damian-j wrote:
Nathanielstarr wrote:
Corvett wrote:
LxKane wrote:
I've yet to see a Jedi of any lvl that doesn't have or atleast plan to get atleast one tree of Mdef.
I only have Force Armor and no DEf at all, not even novice. However you all reall should not be worried about Jedi anymore. We have been nerfed beyond belief and a MDOC /MSwordsman is stronger and heals better with better buffs.
That's just not true. Maybe with some jedi but not the majority of finished templates.
Yes it is pretty true actually, I saw a Master Swords/MDoc/TKA tear apart a Mdef/MLs and a Powers/Saber/eanhancer dabbler yesterday at the same time. 1 Regular Prof, killed 2 full template Jedi in less than 45 secs. And the Jedi weren't noobs either, they are regular PVPers.
well that says a lot for the caliber of the pvping jedi of flurry lol. 
although you're probably lying or both the jedi were afk i like to poke fun at the backwater servers.
Helvetic
Tue Aug 16, 2005 2:11 am
#36
Jedi cant Slice his armor so he will stay badder as an BattleArmor prof.
he cant AB slice or anything....and it suck
NERF AB!!!
sememon
Tue Aug 16, 2005 2:26 am
#37
Master Defender has 7000 armour to everything, thats just 52.5% resistences. Not to mention you have to spend 89skill points just for DEFENCES, no offence. To then get force armour would cost another 28 skill points for nothing but defences. thats 89+28+24fs skill points = 141 skill points spent and the jedi will have nothing to show but defences. any one who spends that amount of skill points on defences deserves 10k armour.
Most jedi now just dabbler in defender, say 4440 defender which is only 5400 to everything, same as a set of average battle armour
Jedi Get no armour cert. we're the only profession in the game that has to spend skill points to get nothing but defences, every other combat profession in the game gets Offence and defence mixed together.
Non-jedi seem to always be under the assumption that every jedi is MLS/Mdef. this simply isn't true. Yes Mdef has excellent defences, but thats what it does. it gives nothing but defences. If you spent 89 skill points on a combat prof that gave nothing but defences, you'd expect to be a bloody good tank
bobgone
Tue Aug 16, 2005 3:46 am
#38
FallonFalcon wrote:
Anarchicgorilla wrote:
1000 = 10.5%
2000 = 20.0%
3000 = 28.5%
4000 = 36.0%
5000 = 42.5%
6000 = 48.0%
7000 = 52.5%
8000 = 56.0%
9000 = 58.5%
10000 = 60%
This is the amor guide as taken of the FAQ
I have justlooked at my combat logs and innate jedi armour (no psg) withimp. force armormacroabsorbs just over 58 % of any damage (blast, energy, or kinetic) I know my opponet was full temp jedibut that is all (so if he was not master defender this could be higher)
Damage done with a puped 610-1219 carbine with a basic ranged shot was ---724 dmg (armour absorbed 421) for the final damage of303 pts. (eating pyro ranged accuracy bonus food)
This would make a master defenders innate armor + the macro absorb 58.15% of incoming damage.
That would be equiviant to a 8850 kinetic / 8850 energy battle armor suit.
So next time you hear a jedi say... I cannot wear armor ... point them here.
http://www.funnypart.com/funny_pictures/cry.shtml
clicky plz
Damian-j
Tue Aug 16, 2005 4:32 am
#39
aekeem wrote:
well that says a lot for the caliber of the pvping jedi of flurry lol.
although you're probably lying or both the jedi were afk i like to poke fun at the backwater servers.
1. I'm not lieing.
2. The Jedi were not AFK, and both are above average PVPers.
3. The Swords/Doc is an AWESOME PVPer.
4. We enjoy our lag free "Backwater" server, feel free to drop by and get your a$$ kicked daily.