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Thread: Is it EVER okay for a Jedi to die?
FettandhisVett wrote:
Yeah i forgot how we getting nerfed anyhow, why the hell help em now?
Pffft, it's simple. Don't start running away like a headless chicken when you get shot. Stand, fight, die, learn, maybe next time you can win.
TheMadCoder wrote:
If both are prepared, and both have the right templates, there's no chance of a win by tactics, really (assuming that the jedi isn't an e-bay bought basement-loving retarded chimp with no opposable thumbs.) No, it's never okay for a Jedi to die. They're 1.5, we're only 1.0.
In the words of H.G. Wells' artilliryman"It's like bow and arrows against the lightning"
FettandhisVett wrote:
nah, simpler and faster than learning
Not unlocking? 
Would definitely save several months (maybe even only weeks 
)of boring grinding too. If I hadn't been bored out of my mind preCU, I probably wouldn't have began the jedigrind, in the end it caused me to leave the game for 5 months...
Message Edited by Djena on 07-11-2005 03:53 PM
After the next publish ? The anytime is a good time. If that Jedi is on the terms, he must die.
If, as a BH, we kill a Padawan, we are "bottom feeding" and picking on "weak" Jedi in an effort to grieve.
Post 20, Padawans have no excuse to be on terms. Killing will be ok.
If, as a BH group, we kill a Jedi, we are being unfair in an effort to grieve.
Post 20 , if you can get this right, it's co-incidence and therefore ok to die.
If, as a BH, we attack a Jedi that is already in combat we are "a weak BH with no honor" (YES, I have been told this more then once), and if given the chance to fight when the Jedi is "prepared", we would lose.
BH are supposed to be the lame , scummy type person. They prey on the weak, or the strong when they are weak. ok to die. (should stay off terms)
If, as a BH, we kill a Jedi in a 1 vs 1 fight wherein both the Jedi AND the Bounty Hunter were prepared, then we are overpowered.
It's all about template choice. As it stands now there is no such thing as all Jedi are 1.5x all BH. There are BH that are 2.0x me, and there are BH that are 0.5x me. The only thing out of balance is that Jedi currently have no way to better their weapons. If that gets fixed then all will be well again.
Is it EVER "okay" that a Bounty Hunter kills a Jedi?
Can anyone seriously answer this question? It would seem as though, even when we win, we cannot "win".
Tucheck wrote:
I've recently been wondering...under WHAT condition is it "okay" in the eyes of the Jedi communiyt for a Jedi to be killed?
If, as a BH, we kill a Padawan, we are "bottom feeding" and picking on "weak" Jedi in an effort to grieve.
If, as a BH group, we kill a Jedi, we are being unfair in an effort to grieve.
If, as a BH, we attack a Jedi that is already in combat we are "a weak BH with no honor" (YES, I have been told this more then once), and if given the chance to fight when the Jedi is "prepared", we would lose.
If, as a BH, we kill a Jedi in a 1 vs 1 fight wherein both the Jedi AND the Bounty Hunter were prepared, then we are overpowered.
Is it EVER "okay" that a Bounty Hunter kills a Jedi?
Can anyone seriously answer this question? It would seem as though, even when we win, we cannot "win".
The only time I would say that it is not ok is when a known exploit is used to kill a Jedi, and that is a rare occurance.
Bounty Hunter is a profession that captures or kills marks for money however they can.
As a nearly full temp Jedi it is my opinion that any BH would be crazy to let me get prepared for a fight, that is a no win situation for them. I will either fight the good ones to a draw or wipe the floor with the lousy ones.
A BH that would jump in and attack me while I was nearly incapped in a PvE or PvP situation would be considered smart. The onus is on me to watch my own surroundings and ensure that I don't put myself in that position, should one of you take advantage of a misstep by me.....well, more power to you and enjoy the credits.
Banzai51 wrote:
Niccolado wrote:
Tucheck wrote:
I've recently been wondering...under WHAT condition is it "okay" in the eyes of the Jedi communiyt for a Jedi to be killed?
If, as a BH, we kill a Padawan, we are "bottom feeding" and picking on "weak" Jedi in an effort to grieve.
If, as a BH group, we kill a Jedi, we are being unfair in an effort to grieve.
If, as a BH, we attack a Jedi that is already in combat we are "a weak BH with no honor" (YES, I have been told this more then once), and if given the chance to fight when the Jedi is "prepared", we would lose.
If, as a BH, we kill a Jedi in a 1 vs 1 fight wherein both the Jedi AND the Bounty Hunter were prepared, then we are overpowered.
Is it EVER "okay" that a Bounty Hunter kills a Jedi?
Can anyone seriously answer this question? It would seem as though, even when we win, we cannot "win".
First I would like to add that its never ok to die. Dying Defeats purpose, so thats not an option.
Now, If this should really be the case. When is it "ok" for a jedi to Die:
1.)
In my opinion its ok to die when you are bottom feeding. The problem is Jedi is loosing much more then he can gain in his current situation. As a Novice Jedi he cant protect himself. and its like hunting "younglings"; Defenceless creatures, who show no resistance. Except from that they are very good at running. any novice jedi can handle dying 1 or 2 times a day to a BH. The problem is when you start dying like 5-10 times a day. So its not the death itself that bothers most jedi. Its the numbers of death.
2.)
Gank Groups in also very much imbalanced, since most jedi cant stand up to handle 5 BHs. 5 BHs that all shoot like Root, of sniper shot etc. cant win. And thats not what the Jedi or SOE wants. We want to have a chance, but dont have it against a root/snipershot gank group. And definitely not with all the current nerfs we have had. Any fulltemplate can live with such a loss, but we the jedi cant see the "point" since we have lost before the fight start. and thats not the point. Jedi and BH should have equal chances. In gank groups this is very difficult, unless the BHs are rather very stupid and n00by.
3.)
You write that jedi call you weak if you attack jedi while killing other critters, and using that to your gain. Well. In my opinion, this is a kill any BH should strive for. BHs uses any chance to bring down their enemy. jedi might call you weak. I might have done it myself. but im sure when I have calmed down and pondered the situation a little. This is just a perfect kill for a BH. No. This is a OK kill. I would hate getting killed ofcource. But at least you killed the jedi "fair" and not bottom feeding or using gank groups.
4.)
you write that if a Jedi loose to you in 1 vs 1 fight, jedi would consider you owerpowered. LOL.... well, BHs have some very good attacks. Root is a little too bad atm. but besides that most your skills are acceptable. I cant at this time, see you are overpowered anyway. But jedi is not used to loose more then you, so a certain number of complaints you will have to expect. But if you are fighting a open 1 vs 1 fight with a full template jedi, and you win. I would congratulate you, and I would note your name for later use in case you are coming for me
Most jedi are as most BHers not good "loosers" in PvP. Be it fair or not. When a BH comes lurking in and disrupting the jedi in his chores, and then at the same time kills him, this is what you have to expect. However, there are some valid complaints from the jedi against BHs that have been fair - and ofcource the other way. I personally think that the coming publish will fix a lot of it.Message Edited by Niccolado on 07-11-2005 07:19 AM
First off, this is a well written responce to a joke thread. I disagree with some of the points, but it is much appriciated.
1) I disagree here. New Padawans have more power than they think. They still have their skills from before. I can't tell you how many low level fights could have been different if a new paddy put away the lightsaber and broke out his blaster. I had a guildie do that to a BH. He was a TK and went Bruce Lee on him. The BH ran in confusion. The new Paddies are weak arguement is very weak. They may be weak as Jedi, but they have plenty of combat moxie. The exception is the crafter. You just have to take it and die
2) Getting a gank group of 3 is hard, 5 is near impossible. First off, do you know how the BH terms work? I pull up the mission list and a RANDOM sampling of jedi plus npc missions comes up. RANDOM, with 4 Jedi listed max, and frquently no player Jedi showing. If you are on the terms there are a max of 5 missions for you. One group of 5 BH pulling your mission is near impossible. The BH group is competeting with other BH to grab your mission, as well as the random nature of the terms. Plus, for Kights and near-Kights, we need a group. Quite frankly, this should be the case. But to put this all in perspective, a group of my buddies couldn't get the same Jedi mission in an hour of searching. Gank groups of 5 are RARE. Trotting this rarity out for arguement is a disservice.
3) This is my favorite tactic in the world. Completely fair and it gives us the greatest advantage. To all BH: When you have your mark in this situation, don't ruin it by opening up with a root or KD. The animations let them know right off the bat that they are under attack. Hit them with a couple of high damage attacks. If they start to move, turn, etc then hit them with the roots/KDs.
4) I think the comming publish is designed to setup BH as fodder for the upcomming FRS system. We'll be clashing 1v1 against full templates, which should beat us far more often than not.Message Edited by Banzai51 on 07-11-2005 09:35 AM
1. First of all, i am a fulltemplate jedi. And that means I have grinded jedi. At a certain point, jedi is not strong at all, becuase they got no good non-jedi skills or jedi skills. And this have most BHs learned. And thats why most BHs are picking missions between 60k and 160k. Not lower then 60k usually, because that means they have still got elite skills! And no higher, beacuse they start getting good in jedi. And mark my words: they even dont pick lower then 60k mission, where the player have almost no jedi skills! A smart Novice Jedi will try to pick the most useful skills tho, as early as possible. And if you are going enhancher or Power - Force run and cloak is among them.
2. Gank groups are if not common, so pretty much use. I had a gank group of 4 on me. I ran at that point. Had nothing to loose by dying, but I saw no point giving in to a gank group either. It is possible to get gank groups. you just have to be a little patient, and yes. I know how it works. Been a BH myself for a few months. Did not like it vry much
3. agreed. I dont as a jedi like it, but its a acceptable tactic from a BH
4. Jedi where never said to be easy, so you might end up loosing more then you winning in the new system. You will definitely need to know your profession. I too believes one of the many reasons they changed tha only MBHs should hunt jedi only, is to let the jedi have something for a reward IF they beat the BH!! Right now we have nothing to win, but everything to loose (XP). With this new system if a BH decides to come after us, we will at least be awarded FRS XP!! Also note this. This will make the jedi more willing to stay and take a fight with a BH and not just run! And the BHs have all to win (money) but nothing to loose. And, it is the BH who take the decision to go after jedi, and the BH can change his mind whenever he want to along the hunt. Only when the fight is commenced its too late to change your mind.
no, SOE Did the right thing here! Now the Fulltemplates have something to gain by meeting BHs! And not only something to loose! Which ofcource makes the jedi more willing to stay and fight! Its designed as such as both parties have something to gain from the encounter! Right now, jedi have everything to loose! And thats not funny. Now at least, we will earn FRS XP (most likely). And you will earn investigation XP when killing jedi right?? So fair is sqaure!
I think this will be a good publish. Now we can have fights. Not just slaughter. They among you who prefer easy targets and kills, might leave the BH profession. But that will only make the ones who remains more fearful.
But you're a Jedi, I'll bet cash money there has never been a scene in a licensed book or movie of a jedi going to the bathroom.
Djena wrote:
I know, but sometimes I need a bio break like any normal humanbeing
KyridIce wrote:
I am currently a padawan. I have spent much time after my unlock grinding out a template that would give me enough pvp skills to survive a 1 on 1 encounter with a BH. I have also spent a lot of time toying around with a template builder program so I can map out how and when to learn or drop skills, in an effort to always be strong enough to fight BHs. Basically put, I've put in the effort before grinding so that I don't have to come whine on the forums about being killed. If a BH or group of BHs manage to kill me, then congrats to them. Jedi padawans don't EVER have to be weaker than a BH, they just choose to be by their own laziness or lack of understanding of the game.
What the hell?.
Jengu-Fet wrote:
What the hell?.
You are trying to tell me that a new padawan with1 box is supposed to be able to kill a bounty hunter? and if he doesn't it is because of his lack of understanding?.
Please, just delete your character now because you sir are full of crap.
One box of jedi at 8 skill points means he has 32 skill points less than I do. Which is quite enough to match me for offensive firepower, if not defensive. Or vice versa. Well, actually, since I'm a pistoleer/BH, you could probably go master rifleman, parts of CM and parts of... pistoleer? Or more CM? Actually, he can be a master rifleman/CM with 20 skill points left to spare.
Quite enough to kill someone if well played I reckon.
