Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: Is this bannable offence?
Cada_Kai
Fri Jul 01, 2005 2:57 pm
#27
DaltChrono wrote:
No, I'm not kidding. Every contract has to have a time clause. If you don't stipulate the time limit of the contract then you are free to interpret it as best benefits you.
wrong.
All contracts are written in terms of forever.
The only time a contract will not last forever is when there is a time clause stipulating a length of time a contract will be inplace. So therefore the only time you will see a time clause on a contract is when it is for a set period of time.
Cada_Kai
Fri Jul 01, 2005 2:59 pm
#28
MrSeizure wrote:
No, this should not be a bannable offense, the jedi should have been aware that he was dealing with a BH, and we all know what deceitful scum BH's are.
This particular jedi is simply a fool.
you might want to read the post in this very thread that shows an excerpt from the Community standards document for SWG.
Because you are RPing a BH does not give you the right to grief/harrass/or scam players in the game.
It is under section 8 in the community standards document.
Happy reading.
StabMastah
Fri Jul 01, 2005 3:05 pm
#30
I bet a million credits you wont even get a slap on the wrist for this. You did nothing wrong. Its an RPG, your a bounty hunter. Hes supposed to be a Jedi with force powers. Hell, this idiot didnt even have common sense and normal intilect. Let alone Jedi Intilect.
If you do get banned for this... the game truley has become Jedi Online and its time to pack it up and head to WOW.
slave138
Fri Jul 01, 2005 3:07 pm
#31
The Jedi was not bartering credits for a service - he was bribing the hunter to save his own hide. The first rule of bribes is that they don't always work as intended. Effectively, the Jedi was trying to circumvent game mechanics to avoid the XP loss (the fight and payment of bounty but without risk for losing). 
PaarViesta
Fri Jul 01, 2005 3:08 pm
#32
tbh m8, if i where you , i'd have done the same thing, just look at it from a boba fett kinda way, i thought bh's where supposed to be scoundrels. im just thinking that jedi are more a scoundrals than anyone else, xp can be gained again, so wot he lost a few loust 100k of jedi xp but to talk away someones enjoyment by trying to get them banned, thats gotta be the lowest thing you can do.
i can say that you did fine, it brings more personality to the game , getting doublecrossed and stuff. just like in rl
hope everything goes ok , cant see why its bannable, if it is its shocking
MrDoppa
Fri Jul 01, 2005 3:16 pm
#33
well. according to your story, you didn't really camp him. taking the money and killing him anyway seems like it would slide through some how. but camping him is a big deal. but it seems like you were only able to fool him into thinking you were camping. so i don't see the violation here. but, according to the rules that were posted earlier, you didn't exploit or give him something different than what he paid for. although he paid for a non-butt whippin and you gave him one anyway. but you need to know that csr's can be a crapshoot sometime. maybe a rule where if you don't complete your mission after an hour you fail the mission and you can go get it again. something like that. but i would def. suggest that if he pays you and you db him anyway, payhim back. this way you won't have to ask yourself this question.
StabMastah
Fri Jul 01, 2005 3:21 pm
#34
slave138 wrote:
The Jedi was not bartering credits for a service - he was bribing the hunter to save his own hide. The first rule of bribes is that they don't always work as intended. Effectively, the Jedi was trying to circumvent game mechanics to avoid the XP loss (the fight and payment of bounty but without risk for losing).
Hell good point. The Jedi was trying to exploit ! Ban the Jedi.
topfuel
Fri Jul 01, 2005 3:33 pm
#35
DaltChrono wrote:
Wrong again. If a contract is to be forever, then it must be so stipulated as in "in perpetuity".
Perpetuity for teh win!!!!
lol
No, seriously he is correct. A contract without a timeframe is a target for interperetation. Though, the only important interpretation would be that of the Judge (in this case SOE CSR).
While I don't feel like he should be banned for this, I don't think that argument would hold much water...Depends on how long he waited between the agreement and when the Jedi follows through:
Ifthe BHwas made to wait for 30 minutes to an hour, then I could see judgement in favor of the BH; If the jedi came out within like 10 min then I coudn't imagine the timeframe argument holding much water.
I'm not so sure that CSR would see the BH not performing his mission as a service. It is a bribe, actually. Bribes are how criminals do business, and anyone offering/accepting a bribe should be prepared for a criminals outcome.
Noman2193
Fri Jul 01, 2005 3:37 pm
#36
This is not a bannable offence. I sent in a ticket about this yesterday. I asked if upon agreeing to not DB in a duel or any fight for that matter and then DB anyway is bannable. THe response I got was that SOE does not in anyway enforce any kind of agreements regarding PVP. You fight at your own risk and getting DB'd is a risk you take. Your fine, and very cunning I might add. Fine work! 
topfuel
Fri Jul 01, 2005 3:38 pm
#37
Noman2193 wrote:
This is not a bannable offence. I sent in a ticket about this yesterday. I asked if upon agreeing to not DB in a duel or any fight for that matter and then DB anyway is bannable. THe response I got was that SOE does not in anyway enforce any kind of agreements regarding PVP. You fight at your own risk and getting DB'd is a risk you take. Your fine, and very cunning I might add. Fine work!
/cheer
Holzen
Fri Jul 01, 2005 4:12 pm
#38
The fact that he db'd him is not the issue. The issue is that he took money to not db him and then did it anyway. Had he tipped the money back after he would probably be fine. But by keeping the credits he committed fraud. Will he get banned....probably not. Should he.....absolutely. And this isn't a Jedi vs BH issue. Anyone that commits anykind of credit dupe / fraud / etc should be banned.
Noman2193 wrote:
This is not a bannable offence. I sent in a ticket about this yesterday. I asked if upon agreeing to not DB in a duel or any fight for that matter and then DB anyway is bannable. THe response I got was that SOE does not in anyway enforce any kind of agreements regarding PVP. You fight at your own risk and getting DB'd is a risk you take. Your fine, and very cunning I might add. Fine work!
slave138
Fri Jul 01, 2005 4:43 pm
#39
Holzen wrote:
The fact that he db'd him is not the issue. The issue is that he took money to not db him and then did it anyway. Had he tipped the money back after he would probably be fine. But by keeping the credits he committed fraud. Will he get banned....probably not. Should he.....absolutely. And this isn't a Jedi vs BH issue. Anyone that commits anykind of credit dupe / fraud / etc should be banned.
Noman2193 wrote:
This is not a bannable offence. I sent in a ticket about this yesterday. I asked if upon agreeing to not DB in a duel or any fight for that matter and then DB anyway is bannable. THe response I got was that SOE does not in anyway enforce any kind of agreements regarding PVP. You fight at your own risk and getting DB'd is a risk you take. Your fine, and very cunning I might add. Fine work!
Was he advertising a service? No. There was no fraud. It was a bribe not a trade agreement. Just because you offer someone a bribe doesn't mean they are going to do what you ask... By trying to circumvent the bounty system, the Jedi is effectively trying to cheat. It's hardly fraud to accept money to do something illegal and then not do it.
The XP loss for Jedi is also meant as a deterrant for exploiting the Bounty system to accumulate lots of cash - otherwise, you'd have Jedi just getting on the Terms so their BH friends (what an oxymoron) can grind cash over and over and over...