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diepa wrote:

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Spookibus wrote:

There seems to be an assumption among many that MBH / MCM is the "uber-1337" BH template, and that there's nothing better. This is especially prevalent among our good friends in the Jedi forum.

However, the right Jedi template can pick an MBH / MCM apart. In particular, I find fighting Jedi with a lot of Powers in their template extremely difficult, much more so than even the MDEF types. Master Powers have a lot of tricks at their disposal, some of which bypass armor and, if used properly, make CM debuffs like Thyroid Rupture all but useless. Likewise, the states line of Jedi Healer wipes out all a CM's DoTs and states.

These guys give up a lot of offense and defense to do have an effective anti-CM template, though, so this leaves them vulnerable to BH templates more focused on damage dealing or position control (Pistols/Carbs/Rifles).

Yeah, MCM / MBH is a good template. But there are Jedi templates that make it completely ineffective.

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See the nerf coming do you?

Jedi is supposed to be 1.5x stronger than full temp combat character, however many full temp jedi lose consistently to this temp. I am not talking about the BH sneaking up on Jedi..this is a toe to toe fight, with the CM coming out the victor more times than not. Which means the CM is overpowered.

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Message Edited by xur-soma on 08-27-2005 01:32 AM

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diepa wrote:

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Spookibus wrote:

There seems to be an assumption among many that MBH / MCM is the "uber-1337" BH template, and that there's nothing better. This is especially prevalent among our good friends in the Jedi forum.

However, the right Jedi template can pick an MBH / MCM apart. In particular, I find fighting Jedi with a lot of Powers in their template extremely difficult, much more so than even the MDEF types. Master Powers have a lot of tricks at their disposal, some of which bypass armor and, if used properly, make CM debuffs like Thyroid Rupture all but useless. Likewise, the states line of Jedi Healer wipes out all a CM's DoTs and states.

These guys give up a lot of offense and defense to do have an effective anti-CM template, though, so this leaves them vulnerable to BH templates more focused on damage dealing or position control (Pistols/Carbs/Rifles).

Yeah, MCM / MBH is a good template. But there are Jedi templates that make it completely ineffective.

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See the nerf coming do you?

Jedi is supposed to be 1.5x stronger than full temp combat character, however many full temp jedi lose consistently to this temp. I am not talking about the BH sneaking up on Jedi..this is a toe to toe fight, with the CM coming out the victor more times than not. Which means the CM is overpowered.

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Which is because "many full temp jedi" all chose the same template. CM is not that strong, but it is good at dealing with MDef. Most Jedi took that as their IWIN button, so BH came up with a response. But a MBH/MCM gives up alot of damage (through accuracy) to get MCM. A Jedi that can do high amounts of damage or escape will have no problems with them, it's only the ones that try to go heal for heal with a DOT on them that are weak against this template.

It's paper for rock, stop calling for a nerf and play scissors.

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Tanks wrote:

In most cases it comes down to knowing your template AND being prepared. There are a lot of MBH/MCM BHs out there that do not know what they are doing or lacking in preparation. Heck, it took me a while to learn to play that template on an alt way before it became FOTM.

There are also a lot Jedi that also do not know how to play their template. When both parties know their templates is when the fun starts (if you call a 45 min fight fun ).

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see this is exactly why this template is overpowered, have you ever seen a jedi anywhere not kill someone in 45 minutes? according to the devs a full template jedi should be 1.5x's more powerful then a full templated BH. this means that a BH should only win by A. Suprise orB. Experience vs. unexperience an experienced full temp jedi should make short work of an equally experienced BH. which imo is why jedi should have GCW limits and the FRS instead but thats a whole other issue.

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weaponmaster88 wrote:

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Tanks wrote:

In most cases it comes down to knowing your template AND being prepared. There are a lot of MBH/MCM BHs out there that do not know what they are doing or lacking in preparation. Heck, it took me a while to learn to play that template on an alt way before it became FOTM.

There are also a lot Jedi that also do not know how to play their template. When both parties know their templates is when the fun starts (if you call a 45 min fight fun ).

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see this is exactly why this template is overpowered, have you ever seen a jedi anywhere not kill someone in 45 minutes? according to the devs a full template jedi should be 1.5x's more powerful then a full templated BH. this means that a BH should only win by A. Suprise or B. Experience vs. unexperience an experienced full temp jedi should make short work of an equally experienced BH. which imo is why jedi should have GCW limits and the FRS instead but thats a whole other issue.

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Not if they have exactly the wrong template - MBH/MCM is highly specialized to deal with MDef by being able to last long, nothing else. A different type is MBH/MR, which hits hard but goes down easy once in range.

Sorry that you can only win effortlessly 90% of the time, but I've got no sympathy.

hmm will get flamed to death but here goes

To a pre curb or pub 9 jedi 99% of BH can be killed easy evey bh that has come for me solo has died (except when i am afk ect

I think all the new noob respec and afk grind jedi are to blame for most of this, the simply fact it most of them have rubbish sabers and havent been pvp to busy afk grinding ect so any BH can kill them easy thus they call for nerfs

I fully agree.

Typical Jedi who calls for nerfs:

*Yawn* "Oh I better check to see how much xp I gained overnight after I brush my teeth ... but before I get ready for school".

*Brushes teeth*

*Goes to computer room*

*Looks confused* "Hey, why am I at the cloners?"

*Checks Combat Log*

Bad_MoFo_MBH damages Noob_AFK_Padawhiner for 1064 points

Noob_AFK_Padawhiner is knocked down

Bad_MoFo_MBH ruptures Noob_AFK_Padawhiner's thyroid

Bad_MoFo_MBH roots Noob_AFK_Padawhiner

Bad_MoFo_MBH damages Noob_AFK_Padawhiner for 852 points

Bad_MoFo_MBH drains Noob_AFK_Padawhiner's electrolytes

Bad_MoFo_MBHshoots Noob_AFK_Padawhiner in the eye

Noob_AFK_Padawhiner looks like he is having difficulty seeing

Bad_MoFo_MBH damages Noob_AFK_Padawhiner for 854 points

etc etc etc

*Looks really angry* " I can't believe that dirty MBH/MCM attacked me while I was sleeping!"

*Realizes he's a Jedi* " I'll go to the forum and get this taken care of because I'm the Alpha-class, no one should be able to take down a Jedi at any time."

*Logs onto the Forum* "Nerfbat for MBH/MCM"

""Yesterday a Bounty hunter came for me, I looked at him and said "sup noobzor, you here to die?" He said "I'll show joo the noob" and shot me, his KD stuck and I'm on the ground. But that's ok because I can heal and buff while laying on my back. Hmmm, cannot KD Recover while KD. Oh well, I'll just lay here and heal and buff until it resets. "What's this?" I say to myself as I start seeing DOTs applied. Oh hell naw I scream. "Stop that now Mr. BH, you cannot use any abilities outside of the MBH table while you fight me!".

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Totally agree dewd

/second

Wot a lamer ... using his secondary class to exploit a kill

/third; /pwnd

/fourth

Hello, this is CSR-Insert Name here. This problem will be fixed in the coming update, can't have you Jedi unhappy about getting killed.

/Thread locked.

heals are overpowered

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Spookibus wrote:

There seems to be an assumption among many that MBH / MCM is the "uber-1337" BH template, and that there's nothing better. This is especially prevalent among our good friends in the Jedi forum.

However, the right Jedi template can pick an MBH / MCM apart. In particular, I find fighting Jedi with a lot of Powers in their template extremely difficult, much more so than even the MDEF types. Master Powers have a lot of tricks at their disposal, some of which bypass armor and, if used properly, make CM debuffs like Thyroid Rupture all but useless. Likewise, the states line of Jedi Healer wipes out all a CM's DoTs and states.

These guys give up a lot of offense and defense to do have an effective anti-CM template, though, so this leaves them vulnerable to BH templates more focused on damage dealing or position control (Pistols/Carbs/Rifles).

Yeah, MCM / MBH is a good template. But there are Jedi templates that make it completely ineffective.

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The sooner the people realize there is a template that can kill them regardless of there template and learn to deal with no longer being in god mode either quits the game or deals with loosing some times the better everyone will be.

give this man some beer and pie!

I dont believe it to be over powered in anyway..vs jedi.

normal pvp, or duels, its kinda hard to overcome..but with my super borked Menh Mpowers template, I eat MBH/MCM in seconds

Message Edited by mjPboy on 08-27-2005 07:16 PM

The ONLY problem I have (and I am an old-timer MLS/Mdef with a 671 DPS Saber) with the MBH/MCM combo is the -40 speed debuff, and the amount they can heal per second. It gets a tad ridiculous. I say balance the debuff the same as the doc buff (-25) and slow the healing just a tad, maybe just one second.

And the nerfs go on.....again when will jedi quit screaming for nerfs of other profs and actually learn theirs? Look I can stand against jedi for 45 minutes and Im a MBH/MP not MCM, let me guess jedi are gonna scream for even more nerfs on those profs next?

i am not screaming for bh nerfs.

bring your best to the party. it takes that and a little bit of smarts for us to dance.