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Thread: AFK grinding fact.
my afkgrind simplified
/target groupleader
/attack
/pause 2
/attack (throw in an area attack if spin group)
/pause 2
/tar groupvechile (EX: /tar ab, will do the trick)
/follow
/pause 4
/mount
Groupleader just needs to store vechile at mission waypoint, and bring it out when mission is completed.
BrendanK wrote:
The bottom line is this.
There always is a bottom line. Jeez you sound corporate.
The game changes. Sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse. Has Jedi's power progressively weakened since launch? Yes it has. I can't argue with that. However, the inherent "danger" of being a Jedi has also weakened significantly. I mean, if you get killed by a BH, what's the big deal, one night of AFK'ing it, and you're right back at your cap..Jedi are no longer a rarity whatsoever. I think the devs screwed themselves with allowing as many Jedi as there are..However, What I see many Jedi asking for is the power of the old days, or as someone said 20X..(yeah, 20 times more powerful would be fun....) but they also want today's standards, with no tef's, no permadeath, etc.. and they want all this for a measly 5 months of village work? And someone asked if I WAS KIDDING?! give me a break..
Well if I'm going to get -expletive- for the afk'ers then I want you -expletive- for the FOTM. The danger in Jedi now well outweighs any reward for those who actually play not afk or spin. Incidentally the village, ironically enough, takes more xp than grinding all the professions if I remember right. So how is that any different from the old system then other than the missions? Mind you people like me went through30 profs before Xmas, less than 6 months. I would have done it faster had I known, but I wasted the first 2 mo building a BH, got bored, bounced around et al.
Also, let me ask you this, and I want a serious, substantiated answer.
If Jedi's "glowsticks" suck so bad, why do they still hit for more than any other weapon in the game.?? I ask this not being a smartas*, but as a serious question that I would like to know. A lightsaber may not have a 1200 max damage like a T21 or ALR, but they still hit for just as hard, around 600-1k per hit..Why is this? Yet you still want even more powerful sabers?
My 575 (Pre-CU LOL) vs adv armorbreak sliced armor, when I can get close enough to hit, has hard hits for 250-650, mostly in the 250-350 range. Now that's when I get close enough to hit and 650 is when Ihold you still with a root long enough for power attack. Why is it that Jedi are the only combatclass -expletive- with having to buy defenses? I'll gladly leave my saber damage alone if you have to get a full -expletive- tree of defenses seperately. Wow wouldn't that be fun? Since that's about as likely to happen as a hole in the wall I'd like better sabers please.
I think one thing people playing, not just Jedi have to keep in mind is that the movies that this game is based on has really skewed people's perceptions. Just because Obi Wan was uber, does not mean that every other Jedi in the universe was, likewise with say, Jango Fett..These characters while they represent our professions, don't necessarily give an accurate depiction of what the "common" Jedi or Bounty hunter was like.. On each server there's a few unstoppable Jedi, and some really scary BH's..these are the minority..Yet everyone feels by having a glowstick, they should be hacking through people like butter, or, if I'm a BH, I should be shooting Jedi down by the boatload...If power is what you want, then you have to work for it now..It's the one thing that I really see as a positive that came from the CU. Sure, they knocked everyone down a notch, on to a somewhat even playing field, but now, we have to work hard, and build up to be recognized as being really good...Whereas, preCU, everyone was in God mode, and the one with the best "stun" weapon won...
Well giving any class, like bh, a permanent I win button via SL and ED and other snares vs any melee is disgraceful. Oh many bh love it, they're jango, hell better than jango ever was. Jedi, well, they're less than a youngling in the movies. Most postcu jedi aren't going to be able to do much but get one shot two shot dead. Read the sig, BH is the new Alpha class, there's going to be some serious nerfs coming. Devs are going to ram it in hard and twist. The sad thing is that every other profession that's leading to this (SL, CM) is probably going to get shafted with you.
Strike that, it's not sad, it's poetic justic. BH & GCW got Jedi nerfed to -expletive-, turnabouts fair play. Heck I'll even support a BH alpha class with all the power and penalties Jedi have as of right now. Believe me, answer yes, and I'll show you how -expletive- your profession is about to become.
EvilAztec wrote:
BrendanK wrote:
The bottom line is this.There always is a bottom line. Jeez you sound corporate.
The game changes. Sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse. Has Jedi's power progressively weakened since launch? Yes it has. I can't argue with that. However, the inherent "danger" of being a Jedi has also weakened significantly. I mean, if you get killed by a BH, what's the big deal, one night of AFK'ing it, and you're right back at your cap..Jedi are no longer a rarity whatsoever. I think the devs screwed themselves with allowing as many Jedi as there are..However, What I see many Jedi asking for is the power of the old days, or as someone said 20X..(yeah, 20 times more powerful would be fun....) but they also want today's standards, with no tef's, no permadeath, etc.. and they want all this for a measly 5 months of village work? And someone asked if I WAS KIDDING?! give me a break..Well if I'm going to get -expletive- for the afk'ers then I want you -expletive- for the FOTM. The danger in Jedi now well outweighs any reward for those who actually play not afk or spin. Incidentally the village, ironically enough, takes more xp than grinding all the professions if I remember right. So how is that any different from the old system then other than the missions? Mind you people like me went through 30 profs before Xmas, less than 6 months. I would have done it faster had I known, but I wasted the first 2 mo building a BH, got bored, bounced around et al.
Also, let me ask you this, and I want a serious, substantiated answer.
If Jedi's "glowsticks" suck so bad, why do they still hit for more than any other weapon in the game.?? I ask this not being a smartas*, but as a serious question that I would like to know. A lightsaber may not have a 1200 max damage like a T21 or ALR, but they still hit for just as hard, around 600-1k per hit..Why is this? Yet you still want even more powerful sabers?My 575 (Pre-CU LOL) vs adv armorbreak sliced armor, when I can get close enough to hit, has hard hits for 250-650, mostly in the 250-350 range. Now that's when I get close enough to hit and 650 is when I hold you still with a root long enough for power attack. Why is it that Jedi are the only combat class -expletive- with having to buy defenses? I'll gladly leave my saber damage alone if you have to get a full -expletive- tree of defenses seperately. Wow wouldn't that be fun? Since that's about as likely to happen as a hole in the wall I'd like better sabers please.
I think one thing people playing, not just Jedi have to keep in mind is that the movies that this game is based on has really skewed people's perceptions. Just because Obi Wan was uber, does not mean that every other Jedi in the universe was, likewise with say, Jango Fett..These characters while they represent our professions, don't necessarily give an accurate depiction of what the "common" Jedi or Bounty hunter was like.. On each server there's a few unstoppable Jedi, and some really scary BH's..these are the minority..Yet everyone feels by having a glowstick, they should be hacking through people like butter, or, if I'm a BH, I should be shooting Jedi down by the boatload...If power is what you want, then you have to work for it now..It's the one thing that I really see as a positive that came from the CU. Sure, they knocked everyone down a notch, on to a somewhat even playing field, but now, we have to work hard, and build up to be recognized as being really good...Whereas, preCU, everyone was in God mode, and the one with the best "stun" weapon won...Well giving any class, like bh, a permanent I win button via SL and ED and other snares vs any melee is disgraceful. Oh many bh love it, they're jango, hell better than jango ever was. Jedi, well, they're less than a youngling in the movies. Most postcu jedi aren't going to be able to do much but get one shot two shot dead. Read the sig, BH is the new Alpha class, there's going to be some serious nerfs coming. Devs are going to ram it in hard and twist. The sad thing is that every other profession that's leading to this (SL, CM) is probably going to get shafted with you.
Strike that, it's not sad, it's poetic justic. BH & GCW got Jedi nerfed to -expletive-, turnabouts fair play. Heck I'll even support a BH alpha class with all the power and penalties Jedi have as of right now. Believe me, answer yes, and I'll show you how -expletive- your profession is about to become.
I sound corporate? okay..I guess I'll take that as a compliment seeing how saying that pertains to well, absolutely nothing..
moving right along..
First off, why I'm taking the time to respond to a post littered with "expletives" I'm not sure..You lost your credibility right there..at least with me anyway.
But, tell me how being a pistoleer is FOTM? It's the lowest damage output of any gun in the game, takes the longest to take down Jedi with, and when compared, isn't that much faster than rifles are carbines. So, before you accuse someone of being the "FOTM" let's get our facts straight shall we?
Secondly, don't blame me that your saber is underpowered. Hike up your skirt and pay for a premium crystal or pearl..We all pay boatloads of cash for triple capped weapons and CA's to even be able to compete with Jedi..What do you want, them to just give you Darth Maul's saber when you unlock? I know people with 800 dps sabers that laugh at BH's when they come to hunt them..
And lets not go blaming SL buffs for you or any other Jedi being killed. The SL buffs are not that great, and certainly was not the one determining factor in why you or Jedi in general are getting taken out. I've already acknowledged that Jedi have been somewhat nerfed in terms of power, so no need to bring that back up, but again, SL buffs do not equal a win.
And BH being an alpha class?? hahaha give me a break..BH's do one thing well, hunt Jedi. In terms of pure pvp, I and many other Bh's routinely get owned by strictly pvp templates..BH is not alpha. And complain all you want about snares, roots, etc...you know why? Jedi get them too buddy..In fact, they get cloak, stasis, kd, etc..all kinds of fun stuff..But BH's are "alpha"?
Dodece wrote:
I see alot of posts on AFK grinding and I just thought might aswell lay down the smack about it. I know this will come as a shock to everyone but here it goes.
AFK combat macroing is an exploit its also against eula though be it poorly enforced. There are only a couple afk macros that are legitimate and combat isnt one of them. Here are the two that the devs said they were okay with, and yes they said at one point afk spamming macros were being looked at to be blocked.
Log into the game, bring up the knowledge base search function. Type in AFK MACRO. Read the articles that come up.
Not an exploit, not illegal. So sayeth the knowledge base.
God, Themoronic behavior of making accusations without first doing a little searching to find out the facts isreally getting on my nerves.
FROM THE IN GAME KNOWLEDGE BASE!!!!
Is it a policy violation to go AFK and progress my character through in-game macros?
No. So long as no other in-game system is being abused or exploited, in-game macros are entirely supported. An in-game macro that violates our other terms and policies is still considered illegal.
Message Edited by Grunzer on 10-24-2005 09:54 PM
Always worth a good laugh when someone comes along, lies blatantly, and proclaims it as fact.
Dodece wrote:
AFK combat macroing is an exploit its also against eula though be it poorly enforced. There are only a couple afk macros that are legitimate and combat isnt one of them. Here are the two that the devs said they were okay with, and yes they said at one point afk spamming macros were being looked at to be blocked.
BrendanK wrote:
Actually, I didn't know about that xp loss change..that does enlighten things a bit..
However, it is possible to grind on any other planet and not gain visibility. Jedi are using Kash as a safe zone. Using macros, invisible walls, and using a planet that seekers don't work on. Just seems cowardly and cheap to me, but it's nothing against any one Jedi..
Answer #7186 from the knowledge base:
Q: Is it a policy violation to go AFK and progress my character through in-game macros?
A: No. So long as no other in-game system is being abused or exploited, in-game macros are entirely supported. An in-game macro that violates our other terms and policies is still considered illegal.
And answer #6197:
Q: Is AFK-macroing okay?
A: AFK macroing using the macro system in the game is okay. The use of 3rd party programs however is against the end user license agreement.
Looks like all that b1tching, moaning, and crying over on the Jedi forums actually did something.
Congratulations Jedi, you're back to your cowardly safe haven called Kashyyk. Looks like you guys got your way.....again.
My narrow minded friend please post where the Jedi community was asking for a place to afk grind?The B1tching and moaning you refer to has NOTHING to do with Kashyyk,the trail,xp or macros so what is your point?
Maybe it's a small sample, but of the say 20 or so Jedi I know, every single one of them at one point has left their computer on while they sleep or at work while their Jedi cuts down Wookies for hours on end. While the rest of us "lesser professions" earn XP the real way.
Oh yes every one I know has been ATK through all of their grinding.A jedi that grinds afk deserves the xp loss he gets but wouldnt you say its much safer and easier to grind any other profession afk since there is no chance of losing xp?The reason you see Jedi on the trail isnt just because of the seekers not working.Its a static spawn so there is no downtime running to mission terminals.Also the reason you see so many Jedi there is because everyone and their brother is working on it.
However, it is possible to grind on any other planet and not gain visibility. Jedi are using Kash as a safe zone. Using macros, invisible walls, and using a planet that seekers don't work on. Just seems cowardly and cheap to me, but it's nothing against any one Jedi..
Please post where the Jedi asked for seekers not to work on kashyyyk.Macros are legal although you may not like them personally.Who was it again that allowed them IG? The Jedi community?
But, back to reality here..They take away xp on Kash, and the Jedi boards erupt with kicking and screaming village toddlers..
Should they take away the xp from the other profession Ive seen there grinding or should we just nerf Jedi?You may want to start directing your complaints toward the people who make the game instead of bringing your childish prejudice out and proving to everyone how misinformed you are.You shame the profesion with your ignorance and blindness
Message Edited by jedibd on 10-24-200512:29 PM
Message Edited by jedibd on 10-24-2005 12:29 PM
Other professions are no better. I remember the Geno caves entrance being camped by AFK players 
What's good for the goose is good for the gander: Either no AFK capable or all AFK capable.
BrendanK wrote:
Maybe it's a small sample, but of the say 20 or so Jedi I know, every single one of them at one point has left their computer on while they sleep or at work while their Jedi cuts down Wookies for hours on end. While the rest of us "lesser professions" earn XP the real way.
jedibd wrote:
Looks like all that b1tching, moaning, and crying over on the Jedi forums actually did something.
Congratulations Jedi, you're back to your cowardly safe haven called Kashyyk. Looks like you guys got your way.....again.
My narrow minded friend please post where the Jedi community was asking for a place to afk grind?The B1tching and moaning you refer to has NOTHING to do with Kashyyk,the trail,xp or macros so what is your point?
Maybe it's a small sample, but of the say 20 or so Jedi I know, every single one of them at one point has left their computer on while they sleep or at work while their Jedi cuts down Wookies for hours on end. While the rest of us "lesser professions" earn XP the real way.
Oh yes every one I know has been ATK through all of their grinding.A jedi that grinds afk deserves the xp loss he gets but wouldnt you say its much safer and easier to grind any other profession afk since there is no chance of losing xp?The reason you see Jedi on the trail isnt just because of the seekers not working.Its a static spawn so there is no downtime running to mission terminals.Also the reason you see so many Jedi there is because everyone and their brother is working on it.
However, it is possible to grind on any other planet and not gain visibility. Jedi are using Kash as a safe zone. Using macros, invisible walls, and using a planet that seekers don't work on. Just seems cowardly and cheap to me, but it's nothing against any one Jedi..
Please post where the Jedi asked for seekers not to work on kashyyyk.Macros are legal although you may not like them personally.Who was it again that allowed them IG? The Jedi community?
But, back to reality here..They take away xp on Kash, and the Jedi boards erupt with kicking and screaming village toddlers..
Should they take away the xp from the other profession Ive seen there grinding or should we just nerf Jedi?You may want to start directing your complaints toward the people who make the game instead of bringing your childish prejudice out and proving to everyone how misinformed you are.You shame the profesion with your ignorance and blindness
Message Edited by jedibd on 10-24-200512:29 PM
Message Edited by jedibd on 10-24-2005 12:29 PM
LOL Narrow minded..I like you already..
As you can plainly see in my post, that is if you read it, I never said that Jedi were asking for a place to AFK grind..Heck, why would they have to? It's been there since the introduction of Kashyyk. What I'm referring to, is the overall b1tching and complaining that Jedi do on a daily basis about how "underpowered" they are and how they keep getting "nerfed." Please refer to the Jedi boards thread that has over 1200 replies and what, 60 pages worth of crying if you'd like an example of it.
And I never blamed Jedi personally for seekers not working or AFK grinding either. But tell me this, why did the devs change the Feral wookies on the Ryatt back to being AFK'd..They changed this awhile ago to prevent this, and lately, there's been such discontent among the Jedi community (though, I don't know what for) that the devs needed to do something to protect their kids. Jedi are what makes them money, I understand that, you guys are who they care about most..But it's a bit of a slap in the face when you guys can't even recognize that, and still ask for more.
And yes, they should take XP away completely on Kash..for every profession.. I've never used Kash as a grinding station..Heck, I like the quests on Kashyyk, and I encourage everyone to do them..they're fun. That's what Kash is, an instanced, quest planet..well, at least for most of us anyway. It's sad when you know Jedi who have been to Kashyyk time and time again and have no f'ing clue where Necrosis is, or the Kerritamba village, or the Arena, etc..All they know is where the Feral wookies are on the trail, and what invisible wall to hide behind when a bounty hunter comes their way.
Like I said, I have no problem with any one Jedi. But it'd be nice once in a while for just one or two Jedi to man up and recognize that they do have it quite good. There's no permadeath, no skill box loss, no pve xp loss, no gank squads, etc. etc. etc...Instead, we have a number of Jedi saying how the devs "ruined the game" and "ruined Jedi" and they can't play their Jedi because of the devs, or can't come out of their house because of BH's...Those are the guys that p1ss me off, and like you said, everyone and their brother is working on Jedi, so that means the number of people with this mindset is growing daily..
Message Edited by BrendanK on 10-24-2005 02:44 PM
BrendanK wrote:
Maybe it's a small sample, but of the say 20 or so Jedi I know, every single one of them at one point has left their computer on while they sleep or at work while their Jedi cuts down Wookies for hours on end. While the rest of us "lesser professions" earn XP the real way.
Your kidding me right?..... Heres an example tha totally blew my mind one day on Corbantis. So were in a group grinding and a guy ays he needs to go AFK for abit and asks if anyone has a multi person vehicle..... One guy says yes and then he proceds to ask what kind and if he would pull it out for the guy that needs to go afk. Well end of long story, the guy writes a macro that puts the driver on follow and follows him to the lair and then attacks the said lair and once the lair is killed and the guy being followed heads back to the vehicle the afk bot GETS INTO the VEHICLE and rides to the next lair and we start all over. This totally blew my mind, tha thas to be the worst example of afk macroing i have ever seen.
O this went on for about 3 hours, we left the guy in group jsut to see how long it would work and if he would get killed. Needless to say the guy was in group till we broke up and never died once, mainly due ot cm area heals. Just for comment sake the guy wasnt jedi he was a sword something... Now top that for a macro story lol.
EvilAztec wrote:
Note: I don't care one way or the other since I don't AFK. However I would like a Dev to step in and say yea or nay here. I want it stickied to the top of every forum, in the patch notes, and a pop-up in the game.
While in game, click CONTL H, and click "customer service" at the bottom, then type "FAQ" as a question, and then read the