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Thread: AFK grinding fact.
BrendanK wrote:
Either way, AFK grinding is back in full force. I took 10 Jedi missions out last night, and every single one of them is on Kashyyk..
Simply assuming that just because a player is on Kash he's afk grinding, is assuming a little much when that's where all the new content is.
Being on Kash is no different than being a pilot. Were all here to play a game, and for many that's a big part of the game. For those that enjoy scripted questing, there's enough up there to keep you busy for a good long time with out ever setting foot in the real world. For many, the fact that they're in a place where you can't easily find them isn't even a secondary consideration, they'd face you if you came for them, but they might want to hit the Blackscale compound for a night. /shrug Remember the Geo caves when Jedi would run the place without issue and ruin it for everyone else? Kash is a place where they can make dungeon runs and do questswithout having to hear that they ruined it for other players.
Then there are the others that are afraid of the SL & Snare changes. They play there so they can enjoy their main character, hoping that you won't find them while they ride out the storm.
Heh, yeah, we're doing so well these days. If anything, I'd say it's those that don't like Jedi (what did I do to anyone again?) that have gotten their way. A big reason Jedi are being careful is the change to how XP is lost. Did you know about this? Now, the longer we go without being killed, the more XP we lose. A Jedi on my server who hadn't been killed in quite some time lost around 2mil XP from a single death. When you can only bank 4mil and can go -10mil that's a pretty steep penalty. Hope this enlightens some.
BrendanK wrote:
Either way, AFK grinding is back in full force. I took 10 Jedi missions out last night, and every single one of them is on Kashyyk..
Looks like all that b1tching, moaning, and crying over on the Jedi forums actually did something.
Congratulations Jedi, you're back to your cowardly safe haven called Kashyyk. Looks like you guys got your way.....again.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Jedi are the devs bread and butter of this game..So I suppose, who can blame them for complaining..If we as BH's knew that when we were unhappy, throwing a temper tantrum would get us what we want, We'd probably do the same.
However, it is possible to grind on any other planet and not gain visibility. Jedi are using Kash as a safe zone. Using macros, invisible walls, and using a planet that seekers don't work on. Just seems cowardly and cheap to me, but it's nothing against any one Jedi..
Dodece wrote:
I see alot of posts on AFK grinding and I just thought might aswell lay down the smack about it. I know this will come as a shock to everyone but here it goes.
AFK combat macroing is an exploit its also against eula though be it poorly enforced. There are only a couple afk macros that are legitimate and combat isnt one of them. Here are the two that the devs said they were okay with, and yes they said at one point afk spamming macros were being looked at to be blocked.
Sampleing macro artisans can do a sampleing macro because there is really no point to make someone sit and watch as they get 5 units of something at a time.
Entertainer macros likewise no point to make someone sit and watch for hours on end.
AFK combat macros are exploits for the following reasons its intended for a player to actually be at the keyboard to fight. This is part of why a level system is in place in the game now. So that people cannot get fantastic xp killing weak stuff that presents no real danger. You want further proof go to the temple of the blueleaf on yavin anyone who macroed in there a ways back knows you used to be able to just stand on a overhang or on the ramp and blast away safely for hours now the creatures warp up to you to fight. Next on the list is players doing it for easy cred and low level loot like the afk guys who killed meatlumps for hours on end. The net result was and is that lowlevel garbage now gives next to nothing in the way of loot not sure if they have loot anymore and merely pocket change.
Just kind of tired of its kinda cheap arguments and your my content. This is not the main point afk combat macros are exploits they are useing game mechanics for unintended purposes. The devs have been working pretty hard to make this much harder. Breaking ranged roosts. Devalueing weak spawns, and the implmentations of content for entertainers and artisans that give good xp for active play.
for the record you are WRONG...
If you can do it with in game macros you are allowed to do it...
Va-Mei wrote:
BrendanK wrote:
Either way, AFK grinding is back in full force. I took 10 Jedi missions out last night, and every single one of them is on Kashyyk..
Simply assuming that just because a player is on Kash he's afk grinding, is assuming a little much when that's where all the new content is.
Being on Kash is no different than being a pilot. Were all here to play a game, and for many that's a big part of the game. For those that enjoy scripted questing, there's enough up there to keep you busy for a good long time with out ever setting foot in the real world. For many, the fact that they're in a place where you can't easily find them isn't even a secondary consideration, they'd face you if you came for them, but they might want to hit the Blackscale compound for a night. /shrug Remember the Geo caves when Jedi would run the place without issue and ruin it for everyone else? Kash is a place where they can make dungeon runs and do quests without having to hear that they ruined it for other players.
Then there are the others that are afraid of the SL & Snare changes. They play there so they can enjoy their main character, hoping that you won't find them while they ride out the storm.
First off, what's this new content you speak of? Did they add anything to Kash since last night? Kash has been around long enough now that any Jedi has had ample time to get acquainted with the planet and it's glorious quests. Maybe I assume, but lets not be naive here man..seriously.
Jedi on Kash or doing one of two things. Either a Necrosis run, or grinding in the Ryatt trails. That's what the extreme large majority do. If they're there for the quests, let pose this solution to the Jedi forums: Take away XP on Kashyyk. Then everyone would be free to do all the quests anytime they want..But, back to reality here..They take away xp on Kash, and the Jedi boards erupt with kicking and screaming village toddlers..
BrendanK wrote:
LOL Narrow minded..I like you already..
Many narrow minded people like each other.
As you can plainly see in my post, that is if you read it, I never said that Jedi were asking for a place to AFK grind..Heck, why would they have to? It's been there since the introduction of Kashyyk. What I'm referring to, is the overall b1tching and complaining that Jedi do on a daily basis about how "underpowered" they are and how they keep getting "nerfed." Please refer to the Jedi boards thread that has over 1200 replies and what, 60 pages worth of crying if you'd like an example of it.
As someone who has ridden the nerf train from the get-go (pre9 unlock) you have very little idea apparently. It's either that or you're a troll. In either case, allow me to enlighten. Jedi started out very tough with very nasty penalties. Penalties I might add, that were worsened by the fact the client crashed constantly. They changed that, and went to skill box loss (followed by a loss of power)Then you had a select group of BH on every server "clone-camping" using the neverending TEF bug. They did this and stated they would continue to this until they were suspended, banned, or someone came on the boards (red name) and told them they HAD to stop. Bang skillbox loss gone. (and a loss of power)Sensing a theme here? Well then FRS rolls around and the devs, instead of listening to the players wanting a light/dark war go for sticking us in the GCW. We told'em, we warned them, we told'em what to expect! Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang. Nerfbat smacks repeatedly have knocked Jedi down to a dual-elite with an underpowered glowing sword (most melee can do better), psychotic xp requirements, and a penalty that no longer fits due to lack of power.
And I never blamed Jedi personally for seekers not working or AFK grinding either. But tell me this, why did the devs change the Feral wookies on the Ryatt back to being AFK'd..They changed this awhile ago to prevent this, and lately, there's been such discontent among the Jedi community (though, I don't know what for) that the devs needed to do something to protect their kids. Jedi are what makes them money, I understand that, you guys are who they care about most..But it's a bit of a slap in the face when you guys can't even recognize that, and still ask for more.
Yep they love us. We went from 20x power to <= 1x
And yes, they should take XP away completely on Kash..for every profession.. I've never used Kash as a grinding station..Heck, I like the quests on Kashyyk, and I encourage everyone to do them..they're fun. That's what Kash is, an instanced, quest planet..well, at least for most of us anyway. It's sad when you know Jedi who have been to Kashyyk time and time again and have no f'ing clue where Necrosis is, or the Kerritamba village, or the Arena, etc..All they know is where the Feral wookies are on the trail, and what invisible wall to hide behind when a bounty hunter comes their way.
Yep just like the geno caves. Oh wait, regular profs went AFK there too. Note: I could care less about AFK myself. I don't, but until the Devs (and God I wish they would and sticky it to the top of every board, patch note it, and create a huge pop-up box in-game) say one way or the other (yea or nay) I don't care. Now I am also of the mind, if one can AFK all can, if one can't, none can.
Like I said, I have no problem with any one Jedi. But it'd be nice once in a while for just one or two Jedi to man up and recognize that they do have it quite good. There's no permadeath, no skill box loss, no pve xp loss, no gank squads, etc. etc. etc...Instead, we have a number of Jedi saying how the devs "ruined the game" and "ruined Jedi" and they can't play their Jedi because of the devs, or can't come out of their house because of BH's...Those are the guys that p1ss me off, and like you said, everyone and their brother is working on Jedi, so that means the number of people with this mindset is growing daily..
Going from 20x to <= 1x will tick anyone off. This is especially true if you didn't ask for it, but got nerfbat whacked down. Incidentally gank squads still exist. Now get off your high horse and grow up. BH is the new Alpha Class so I'd expect some Jedi style nerfs to come your way soon. Why? The Devs can't fix anything, only nerf it.
Message Edited by BrendanK on 10-24-200502:44 PM
i'm all for jedi afk grinding, if they are stupid enough to do it, then I'll go get their mission.
just the other day i remember my friend saying he saw 4 afk jedi grinding on ryatte trail on instance 4, I thought they didnt do that there anymore, but anyway, the next time i pulled a mission and got the kashyyyk message i went down there to instance 4 and dropped the jedi in 4 seconds. I think afk grinding is stupid and I hate soe for allowing it. They have taken the most sacred thing in starwars and allowed people to just type up a macro and leave their computer till they acheive jedi. Thats why i hope upcoming morpg's never allow macros,
BrendanK wrote:
First off, what's this new content you speak of? Did they add anything to Kash since last night? Kash has been around long enough now that any Jedi has had ample time to get acquainted with the planet and it's glorious quests. Maybe I assume, but lets not be naive here man..seriously.
Maybe you've done all there is to do, but my guild just finished getting the Great Q-Tip for our Pikeman. Took us a few days to get it right, but now that we know how we'll be going back quite a few times for more of them. Maybe you raced through it while it was still new, but not everyone did. Hell, I still have more to do before I get my master pilot.
Here we agree. There shouldn't be xp gained from any instanced area unless they're ready to have the droids tell you what instance the Jedi are in, and once your there allow the seakers to work as intended.
BrendanK wrote:
Take away XP on Kashyyk.
jedibd wrote:
Looks like all that b1tching, moaning, and crying over on the Jedi forums actually did something.
Congratulations Jedi, you're back to your cowardly safe haven called Kashyyk. Looks like you guys got your way.....again.
My narrow minded friend please post where the Jedi community was asking for a place to afk grind?The B1tching and moaning you refer to has NOTHING to do with Kashyyk,the trail,xp or macros so what is your point?
Maybe it's a small sample, but of the say 20 or so Jedi I know, every single one of them at one point has left their computer on while they sleep or at work while their Jedi cuts down Wookies for hours on end. While the rest of us "lesser professions" earn XP the real way.
Oh yes every one I know has been ATK through all of their grinding.A jedi that grinds afk deserves the xp loss he gets but wouldnt you say its much safer and easier to grind any other profession afk since there is no chance of losing xp?The reason you see Jedi on the trail isnt just because of the seekers not working.Its a static spawn so there is no downtime running to mission terminals.Also the reason you see so many Jedi there is because everyone and their brother is working on it.
However, it is possible to grind on any other planet and not gain visibility. Jedi are using Kash as a safe zone. Using macros, invisible walls, and using a planet that seekers don't work on. Just seems cowardly and cheap to me, but it's nothing against any one Jedi..
Please post where the Jedi asked for seekers not to work on kashyyyk.Macros are legal although you may not like them personally.Who was it again that allowed them IG? The Jedi community?
But, back to reality here..They take away xp on Kash, and the Jedi boards erupt with kicking and screaming village toddlers..
Should they take away the xp from the other profession Ive seen there grinding or should we just nerf Jedi?You may want to start directing your complaints toward the people who make the game instead of bringing your childish prejudice out and proving to everyone how misinformed you are.You shame the profesion with your ignorance and blindness
Message Edited by jedibd on 10-24-200512:29 PM
Message Edited by jedibd on 10-24-2005 12:29 PM
LOL Narrow minded..I like you already..
As you can plainly see in my post, that is if you read it, I never said that Jedi were asking for a place to AFK grind You infered it with the first comment you made and then refering the Jedi grinding there...Heck, why would they have to? It's been there since the introduction of Kashyyk. What I'm referring to, is the overall b1tching and complaining that Jedi do on a daily basis about how "underpowered" they are and how they keep getting "nerfed." Please refer to the Jedi boards thread that has over 1200 replies and what, 60 pages worth of crying if you'd like an example of it. While there are a percentage of players who happen to be Jedi that don't appreciate how easy they have it,the profession is a joke at this point.If you can't see that pub 24 had a huge effect on melee professions as well as the problems SL created then you need to go play a different temp. for a bit.I'm guessing based on your bias that you have never played a Jedi toon?If you had when it was a good profession then you would understand why people are upset.(let me follow that up with you would see why older Jedi are upset with younger ones who are clueless to what it used to be like and should be like again.Including the terminals having names again with some other changes)
And I never blamed Jedi personally for seekers not working or AFK grinding either.Again you did indirectly.Did you once mention SOE in your complaints about the changes?Mayybe I missed it.But tell me this, why did the devs change the Feral wookies on the Ryatt back to being AFK'd..They changed this awhile ago to prevent this, and lately, there's been such discontent among the Jedi community (though, I don't know what for) that the devs needed to do something to protect their kids. Jedi are what makes them money, I understand that, you guys are who they care about most..But it's a bit of a slap in the face when you guys can't even recognize that, and still ask for more.Some don't recognize it,many do.However you are mistaken if you think the Jedi population has been treated well lately.Ill say one thing,Pearls.Let me take the enhancers out of your weapon and see how ipset you get.
And yes, they should take XP away completely on Kash..for every profession.. WHY because you dont like it?you need a better reason than that.I've never used Kash as a grinding station..Heck, I like the quests on Kashyyk, and I encourage everyone to do them..they're fun. That's what Kash is, an instanced, quest planet..well, at least for most of us anyway. It's sad when you know Jedi who have been to Kashyyk time and time again and have no f'ing clue where Necrosis is, or the Kerritamba village, or the Arena, etc..All they know is where the Feral wookies are on the trail, and what invisible wall to hide behind when a bounty hunter comes their way.Again whats your point?I know pleanty of POI on the starter planets that people have never been to.What I find sad is that you think you don't have a scewed perception and yet you always say "Jedi" I know plnety of regular professions that don't know where things are on Kashyyyk.We all use different planets and zones to suit our purposes.
Like I said, I have no problem with any one Jedi. But it'd be nice once in a while for just one or two Jedi to man up and recognize that they do have it quite good.Not even close currently.Please lsit the benefits at this time.There's no permadeath, no skill box loss, no pve xp loss, no gank squads, etc. etc. etc...I went through all of that and some of it I wish would come back but are you ready to deal with the changes it will require?Instead, we have a number of Jedi saying how the devs "ruined the game" and "ruined Jedi" and they can't play their Jedi because of the devs, or can't come out of their house because of BH's...Those are the guys that p1ss me off, and like you said, everyone and their brother is working on Jedi, so that means the number of people with this mindset is growing daily.. They may piss you off but it's true.I came out of my house for only the second time since pub 24 today.Theres always supposed to be an element of danger for Jedi and I love it but when you have your skills negated to the point where someone can plink away at you and just wear you down then where is the fun in that?I don't blame the BH's I blame the DEVS and their bosses.
Message Edited by BrendanK on 10-24-2005 02:44 PM
The game changes. Sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse. Has Jedi's power progressively weakened since launch? Yes it has. I can't argue with that. However, the inherent "danger" of being a Jedi has also weakened significantly. I mean, if you get killed by a BH, what's the big deal, one night of AFK'ing it, and you're right back at your cap..Jedi are no longer a rarity whatsoever. I think the devs screwed themselves with allowing as many Jedi as there are..However, What I see many Jedi asking for is the power of the old days, or as someone said 20X..(yeah, 20 times more powerful would be fun....) but they also want today's standards, with no tef's, no permadeath, etc.. and they want all this for a measly 5 months of village work? And someone asked if I WAS KIDDING?! give me a break..
If Jedi's "glowsticks" suck so bad, why do they still hit for more than any other weapon in the game.?? I ask this not being a smartas*, but as a serious question that I would like to know. A lightsaber may not have a 1200 max damage like a T21 or ALR, but they still hit for just as hard, around 600-1k per hit..Why is this? Yet you still want even more powerful sabers?
I think one thing people playing, not just Jedi have to keep in mind is that the movies that this game is based on has really skewed people's perceptions. Just because Obi Wan was uber, does not mean that every other Jedi in the universe was, likewise with say, Jango Fett..These characters while they represent our professions, don't necessarily give an accurate depiction of what the "common" Jedi or Bounty hunter was like.. On each server there's a few unstoppable Jedi, and some really scary BH's..these are the minority..Yet everyone feels by having a glowstick, they should be hacking through people like butter, or, if I'm a BH, I should be shooting Jedi down by the boatload...If power is what you want, then you have to work for it now..It's the one thing that I really see as a positive that came from the CU. Sure, they knocked everyone down a notch, on to a somewhat even playing field, but now, we have to work hard, and build up to be recognized as being really good...Whereas, preCU, everyone was in God mode, and the one with the best "stun" weapon won...