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Thread: Why the jedi nerfs wont help anyone....

_Crash_
Sun Jun 26, 2005 5:30 am
#27

I love runners. That is why I ahve 3 crates of parwan in my backpack. You can run but you cant hide. Wait yes you can hide. Oh well I sitll like chasing you and killing you.
Banzai51
Sun Jun 26, 2005 7:31 am
#28



tHeRaBiDmOnKeY wrote:


Jhess wrote:


tHeRaBiDmOnKeY wrote:

most 4/x/x/x CM's could heal faster, and better than jedi before this, so dont tell me healer needed a nerf. Its not even the cool-down I have a problem with. Its the fact that it takes ACTION to heal. So what happens when stun comes back into play where it stops action regen?



This is either an outright LIE or it shows you clearly have no idea what yorue talking about.
Jedi healing before nerf = 1500 every 2 seconds for a pittance of force + infusion (about 250 healed every 5-6 seconds)
CM heals(with 4000 CM and +25 healing clothese) - spray 300'ish every 7 seconds, toss 700'ish every 6 seconds, shot 450'ish every 5 seconds.
So, over the course of 6 seconds, who heals the most?
Jedi heals at time 0 1500 + 1500( 2sec) + 1500 (4sec) + 1500 (6 sec) = 4500 points of damage.
CM heals at time 0 bacta toss 700 , then 2 seconds later(global cooldown timer) + bacta shot 450(2 seconda have elapsed) + spray 300(4 seconds have elapsed) + MAAAYBE another bacta toss at the 6 second mark, depending on lag , so another 700. = 2150 possible, but more likely 1450 because that last toosss probably wouldent have recycled yet.
So, jedi heals 4500 in 6 seconds, CM heals 1450 in the same timespan. See the problem ? The jedi healing nerf is well deserved, you can not argue with the numbers.



obviously someone is not using the enhancers that you can buy that enhances your heals to give them a HUGE boost in healing power.





Someone needs to actually TRY the enhancers before whining. The Enhancer may say 1200 power, but that doesn't mean you're healing for 1200. The power rating on enhancers are not like Stims. So the poster that debunked you is entirely accurate. Jedi healing was insane. Of course, the Devs are giving you far more than they are talking away at this point.



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BlackTigress1
Sun Jun 26, 2005 9:05 am
#29

Of course they run when they don't think they can win! They have something to lose, you don't as long as that remains, jedi will continue to run if it looks like they're losing.



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dustinss5
Sun Jun 26, 2005 9:30 am
#30



Iwoow wrote:
WIth us jedi getting nerfed alot more of you bhs will find jedi targets that will run instantly, I for one havent made up my mind yet but I will give fighting a bh a chance post 19 and if it sux ...well ill be a runner :/











Me against Bhs (won:loss)
38:2




I swear, all you Jedi act like kids.






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Cada_Kai
Sun Jun 26, 2005 9:35 am
#31






dustinss5 wrote:





Iwoow wrote:
WIth us jedi getting nerfed alot more of you bhs will find jedi targets that will run instantly, I for one havent made up my mind yet but I will give fighting a bh a chance post 19 and if it sux ...well ill be a runner :/











Me against Bhs (won:loss)
38:2






I swear, all you Jedi act like kids.





Why are they acting like kids?


Lets look at it.


New publish is leaving in a bug that Jedi cannot defend against.


Therefore jedi winnign will happen alot less.


Therefore Jedi will loose XP.


Therefore Jedi will not fight. Even if they were the fighting kind before.


Pretty simple. Not sure how forming a complete rational though is acting likea kid.


Beating up on someone who cannot defend himself however is acting like a Child.


or a wife beater. either way it makes you pretty sad.





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Nastypope
Sun Jun 26, 2005 11:00 am
#32






dustinss5 wrote:





Iwoow wrote:
WIth us jedi getting nerfed alot more of you bhs will find jedi targets that will run instantly, I for one havent made up my mind yet but I will give fighting a bh a chance post 19 and if it sux ...well ill be a runner :/











Me against Bhs (won:loss)
38:2






I swear, all you Jedi act like kids.




An all Bh are so adult



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GorathImp
Sun Jun 26, 2005 12:52 pm
#33






The_Shruberer wrote:

Ehem... flame me if you want... but...





How about all you Jedi get double the xp for 2 months, perma-LoS exploit, triple saber damage, double healing and defense, and a Jedi council? To top it all off why don't we just kill off the Emperor as he is nothing but a clueless nut living in an air-conditioned room 24/7 with no knowledge of the present?


Why stop there? I say we make Jedi Initiate a starting profession, since everyone becomes a Jedi fairly easily it seems if they choose to go down that path. I mean, the Jedi have nothing to fear? Bounty hunters? bah- go to kashyyyk. They still coming? Bah- just stand on the bridge till he leaves. Lag? well.. okay they have to fear lag... and the occasional disconnect.


In fact, how about all Bounty Hunters run at half speed when hunting their mark? I'm sure you Jedi would complain about that...


Also:


1) All BHs appear orange on the radar and are targetable form 2km away.


2) type /findBountyHunter to find your hunter


3) Force cloak consumes no force, and has no conditions.


4) Increased saberblock to 99.9% with 80% chance of reflecting back at target


5) When Jedi robes are worn, the bearer is immune to blaster fire.


6) Jedi no longer lose xp- ever









99.9%? unfair! give them 100%!

_Crash_
Mon Jun 27, 2005 9:25 pm
#34

I was watching a Jedi's action and force regeneration when he wasnt on any foods. They seem to keep changing this but the regeneration was very fast and this could apply to most any player. The mind costs they are talking about will be insignificant in regards to most any PVP fight. In terms of 1 vs 1 against a full template the cooldown on the healing will be insignificant too since most normal professions will not be able to outdamage a jedi's heals before their action runs out.


The only thing the healing will affect is many vs 1 and that SHOULD be a loosing battle for the most part. Jedi still have enough tools to evade a gank squad in many cases with force runs, stasis , and other tools. But I believe AFK macro looting and AFK grinding will be most affected by the changes.


Nuke67
Mon Jun 27, 2005 9:45 pm
#35






Iwoow wrote:
WIth us jedi getting nerfed alot more of you bhs will find jedi targets that will run instantly, I for one havent made up my mind yet but I will give fighting a bh a chance post 19 and if it sux ...well ill be a runner :/











Me against Bhs (won:loss)
38:2





As the Jedi numbers soar, the nerf bat will keep swinging..


Just a given fact, very rare=great power...dime a dozen=creature handler.


Tapa
Mon Jun 27, 2005 9:57 pm
#36

As a master healer with no defender, I always rely on 2 things:

Being able to outheal my opponites damage (which from a master rifleman can be quite high)

Applying Sap and waiting for his action to go down (which from a master rifleman can be quite fast)


Now, lets look at combat log


Evil Bounty Hunter hits Tapa for 1200 damage (down to 1800 health now)

Tapa uses force infusion, heals 250 damage (2050 health now)

2 seconds go by

Evil Bounty Hunter hits Tapa for 1100 damage (down to 950)

Tapa heals for 1500 (2450 now)

2 seconds go by

Evil Bounty Hunter hits Tapa for 1200 damage (1250 now)

2 seconds go by

Tapa heals for 250 (1500 now)

Evil Bounty Hunter hits Tapa for 1100 (400 health now)

2 seconds go by

Tapa heals for 1500 (1900 now)

Evil Bounty Hunter hits Tapa for 1200 (700 now)

2 seconds go by

Evil Bounty Hunter hits Tapa for 1100

Tapa Gwaca has been incapacitated by Evil Bounty Hunter

5 seconds go by

You have been slain by Evil Bounty Hunter

You have lost 400,000 Jedi exp

Evil Bounty Hunter tells you: OMG I FRICKEN PWN YOU JEDI N00B AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA




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RedVenom400
Mon Jun 27, 2005 10:05 pm
#37






tHeRaBiDmOnKeY wrote:






Jhess wrote:





Iwoow wrote:
WIth us jedi getting nerfed alot more of you bhs will find jedi targets that will run instantly, I for one havent made up my mind yet but I will give fighting a bh a chance post 19 and if it sux ...well ill be a runner :/











Me against Bhs (won:loss)
38:2



Are you a developer, or maybe a higher up at SoE? No one person or small group of people got jedi nerfed, the entire community expressed its outrage over the fact that it was a clearly unblanced profession, and the devs balanced their healing.






no, it was the bounty hunters who complained that they sometimes lost to a padawan because he could heal. Now that heals have a 6 second cooldown, you will start to see many jedi getting doc 4/x/x/x instead of healer 4/x/x/x.





lol well if they spend 13 skill boxes instead of 4 they would deserve better healing , and guess what SURPRISE !doctor healing also has a 6 second cool down muahhahaha stop whining noob .



Roberto Venomancer Teras Kazi Master Rip
Bounty hunter and Ace Imperial pilot
Regarding jedi nerfs:"All who gain power are afraid to lose it, even the Jedi"Chancelor palpatine
Iwoow
Mon Jun 27, 2005 10:07 pm
#38

wow threads going long...rofl


Anyways my new update for u guys




43:3 (although the third did not db just did it for the hunt /flail for him)



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Tapa
Mon Jun 27, 2005 10:14 pm
#39

They spend 78 SP's on master doctor

We spend 90 on master healer






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