Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: Fallacies and Truths on the Concept of Anonymous Missions
Xorbok wrote:
Cry more noob
Dlek_Krego wrote:
cry more noob
I knew you smarties would jump out from the peanut gallery.
But rest assured I mean that in the most griefless and non-harrassing manner possible. 
Xorbok wrote:
Eutock wrote:
Xorbok wrote:
Cry more noob
Dlek_Krego wrote:
cry more noob
I knew you smarties would jump out from the peanut gallery.
But rest assured I mean that in the most griefless and non-harrassing manner possible.
and i knew somebody would say something about it. I also meant it in the most griefless and non-harrassing manner possible, it was to be funny (which is obviously a matter ot personal taste
)
I do like, though, that you left out the entire meat of my post which made legitimate comments on all of the points of the original poster.
If you are going to try to flame somebody, then say it was harmless, at least make note of the real comments of the post, not just the humor jab at then end.
By the way, i meant that in the most griefless and non-harrassing manner possible
Well given that I am the original poster, I do hope that what we have here is an acute case of double (now triple) sacrasm. 
This post is certified to be 100% grief free and Publish 20 certified.
No Padawans were harmed in the making of this post.
Oss_Wilum wrote:
NoStyleGuy wrote:
very objective report. imho we got the shaft
i still don't agree that you're off as bad as you will be, but i'm wasting my breath saying so.
if publish 20 does "shaft" bounty hunter, at least it will have been someone OTHER than jedi for 1 publish
Quiet420 wrote:
Truth: BH's will no longer be able use information from other players to gain an unfair advantage or target specific Jedi due to known weakness, all missions will have the potential for challenge and possibility of a quick payout, more importantly no individual will be the subject of a concerted griefing effort due to the BH mechanic.
I may be mistaken here, but isn't bounty hunting all about gathering information to get the upper hand on a target?
Truth: it is not necessary for the BH to initiate combat upon initial sighting of their target, see above.
Yes, it's better to wait while they jump onto their speeder and lock themselves in a house the second they see another dot.
Truth: I am so glad that I could tell which way the wind was blowing and used the token respec to abandon MBH.
It is clear that the devs have no real intention of checking/halting the rampant growth of the Jedi population or allowing anything of consequence to interfere with Jedi being the only endgame in SWG.
Subsequent Truth: I'd just abandon all thought of the jedi bounty system now and start lobbying for either a complete replacement of the investigation skill tree or a complete revamp of the npc bounty marks.
Dlek_Krego wrote:
Hcaz wrote:
AndJusticeForAll wrote:
maybe they should just have named missions for high lvl jedi
QFE
Agreed. In most cases the high level jedi usually like to be hunted. And actually enjoy the PvP Challenge. Completed template jedi should have names on the terminals.
and that would solve what? That would mean that the bottom feeders would go right back to picking only non-named missions since they will know they are non-completed temp Jedi and thus easier kills, and the named ones will be given their immune status again.
That depends on where the "high-level" is at. There's a world of difference between say, a 200k and a 50k Jedi. If the cut-off is at 225k, a griefer looking for a initiate may end up grabbing a bounty on a D xx4x/LS x4x4/H4xxx. Put channel force on top of that and he'll only be 126k (well below the high level cut-off), but will still put up one hell of a fight.
Assuming the FRS is ever re-instated and Knights retain their perma-SF status, we could keep the bounties anonymous regardless of level, butjust put a marker on Knights
a) Solo BH who know they can't handle a Knight can just avoid them. Again, yes, they could just go for the paddies, but the range between 32k and 208k leaves enough room for a lot of different templates.
b) More determined BH could go for the Knights. And because the terms will display faction, said BH could bring any number ofopposingly-factioned friends to take out the hardened target. Of course those friends would also have to be SF and open to enemy fire, so the situation would be balanced.Plus, any Knight who complains of being surprised by a large group of red dots doesn't have much room to talk.
HyprHypo wrote:
A much better fix would be to lower the mission payout, remove xp loss, give the money to the Jedi if they win and freaking put Jedi on par with every other combat profession. You wouldnt see much paddy hunting if they did this and the game might be fair again, well, until the new Rifleman TKA or cm temp comes out, i mean Jedi, I mean FOTM
This couldnt work because then players would expliot it just to make a quick buck. You have to have some sort of penalty or else you are basically creating nothing more than an ATM that is spitting out 20$'s.
After reading here for a while now, i just want to bring in my 2 cents as well...but 1st of all excuse my english, it's been quite a while i left school after my last lesson 
The changes coming up to BHs and Jedi with p20 arent about balance...nor about imbalance.Its not about most of the this' and that's people even fuss about here on the forum.
To bring it to the point: Its all about economy.Simple as that.
-Its about the pressure an overhyped everpresent fast-lane fast-foodRP named "WoW" caused on the market
-Its about the major success of KOTOR with playersmissing the option to play their Jedi online with their friends and SOE seeing a chance in it
-Its about 12yr old JoeAverage standing in his local games-store, choosing between screaming colored WoW with buttersmooth candygloss environments and 2yrs old choppy SWG and it's seen-a-thousand-times locations.
-Its about Joe dont want to role a loser-class in ages when he canrole a winner-class in WoW in just no time.
-Its about SOE finally had tothrow ina 25Eur Total Exp incl. a "become a Jedi in less-then-ever-time"-ticket to be able to cope with WoW
-Its about 12yr old Joe picking up "StarWars" after recently watchingEpIII is of course not interested in being a crafter, dancer, whatever other nameless,meaningless, storylessindividual he can not relate to.
-Its about Joe of course wants to be a Jedi and fight the evil!
-Its about Joe being a Jedi shall not only be able to fight the evil, but also beat it!!
-Its about Joeis as well a "1337 ub0r r0xX0z0r" and wants to "PVV|\| Y00 455" as a Jedi, not getting "pwnd" himself
-Its about Joe otherwise might cancel his acc getting kicked too often by BHs
-Its about Joe would also suffer a traumatical shock in case his ->NAME<- gets on a terminal for others to see(!!) and even hunt him(!!!)
-So SOE provides Joe's own planet where he is among equals and protected from the old school BHs who would just shake the snot out of him in every "regular" encounter
-So SOE provides Joe a safe LoS spot to be protected from those who dare disturbing him in his shelter
-So SOE provides Joe's /duel exploit to let him know your after him even before you know it
BHs can still tab you out as their target? Wait a min..there must be something to do about that...ah!! Just Cloak, Joe!!Invisibility -the no1 reason for kids to role a rogue,who this way becamethe no1 class in the current no1mmorpg..WoW. Anyone got the drift?
To bring it to a conclusion:
-Its about who is goin to pay them another 2 years -not about who paid them for 2 yrs.
btw:Who said BH profession is getting nerved to the bone to pave the way for tomorrow's wanabe Obiwans? Don't forget, MBH now even got his own rifle from the devs!
>>>Or was it a small bonus in advance because we will have to drop our RifleMaster with his trusty T21anyway, all skilling up to MCM to stand a chance against at least *some* full templates withoutanymore opportunity to group up??
Tucheck wrote:
DarthDominus wrote:
Quiet420 wrote:
reality:
Truth: Anonymous missions are a much needed change to the Bounty Hunter Mechanic, many of the reasons are layed out below, but to sumarize: It will be much more difficult to abuse the BH mechanic in ways that were never intended, and the new changes will now allow for a much more enjoyable and far less hostile experience for those on both sides.
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Truth:
Harass v
To irritate or torment persistently.
To wear out; exhaust.
To impede and exhaust (an enemy) by repeated attacks or raids.
Harassment n 1: a feeling of intense annoyance caused by being tormented; "so great was his harassment that he wanted to destroy his tormentors" [syn: torment] 2: the act of tormenting by continued persistent attacks and criticism
Griefing: In online gaming, where one repeatedly killing the same individual or individuals over and over again, or camping their corpse to prevent them from retrieving it, or otherwise performing actions in a game to prevent the player from enjoying the game, a player who sabotages the game by harassing, deceiving, cheating, robbing or killing newer players.
the new publish will be a blow for griefers for certain...but it will allow BH's who are in it for the thrill and excitement of playing a bounty hunter in the star wars universe to continue to do so, in an environment that will be free of much of the Grief tactics the old mechanic not only encouraged, but rewarded.
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Truth: Bounty Hunters will have a three day period from when they accept their mission, allowing plenty of time to ascertain the target, and attack at the moment of oppurtunity.
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Truth: it is not necessary for the BH to initiate combat upon initial sighting of their target, see above.
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Truth: again, BH's will have a three day period from when they accept the mission in which to attack, if the Jedi happens to log off,, a BH who is actively tracking will be made aware via droid interaction...at that time, he may choose whether to choose another mission or continue hunting the original mark.
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Truth: BH's will no longer be able use information from other players to gain an unfair advantage or target specific Jedi due to known weakness, all missions will have the potential for challenge and possibility of a quick payout, more importantly no individual will be the subject of a concerted griefing effort due to the BH mechanic.
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Truth: the kill bonus for killing various level jedi is as of yet, unknown, there is no reason to believe that it would be lower than the current payouts based on template status. 40-50k + an amount most likely based on template and FRS status if applicable, could quite well result in higher payouts.
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Truth: for those who pursue player bounties with the intent of disrupting specific individuals or groups, halting advancement, or ruining game play, anonymous missions will be a deathblow...for those who welcome a challenging environment in which there is a fair-stakes mechanic, and that allows for enjoyment and excitement on both sides, it will be a godsend.
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Truth: To repeat what others have said, requires education, to challenge it,
requires brains.
Message Edited by Quiet420 on 07-08-200504:51 AM
QFE. Bravo. An excellent counterpoint that displays intelligence and truth.
TRUTH:
With Jedi group "vis" removed, the majority of mission available on the Bounty Hunter terminals will be Jedi with full templates.
TRUTH:
MOST fully templated Jedi can easily defeat any Bounty Hunter wherein Master Bounty Hunter is required. This will only be reinforced by the implementation of the Jedi FRS system.
Fallacy: There are over 30 plus profession in the game of Star Wars Galaxies
Truth: What we don't want you to know is every Publish is Jedi only. Jedi have gotten more publishes then all other professionscombined.