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Thread: rebel and imperial jedi contraversy

The_Shruberer
Thu Jun 16, 2005 2:58 pm
#27






Spookibus wrote:
Rebels especially get ticked off, because BH's are technically enforcing the IMPERIAL law that makes any Jedi activity punishable by death. Imps generally don't get as angry about it, though there are exceptions.





Sadly this can't be an argument since there are no dark Jedi besides Vader and Palps. If all Jedi were forced rebel, It would matter. Not like this game follows the movie anyways....



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The_Shruberer
Thu Jun 16, 2005 2:59 pm
#28






DaveG wrote:





zachleathers wrote:

its just my personal opinion but.....


I think its stupid how people get all pissed off when a bounty hunter kills a jedi in the same faction as them..i mean think about this. a bounty hunter is supposed to be a cold hearted person who cares only about themselves n if they get a bounty they could care less if they are rebel and you are rebel its a BOUNTY HUNTER thats what they do, kill their target and collect the bounty who cares what faction their in. do you think jango fett or boba fett would care....lol well i dont.... a bounty is a bounty deal with it, if you choose to be jedi live up to the consequences dont use the exscuse of being an imperial and thinking all imperials should drop ur bounty, thats what bounty hunting is all about DEAL WITH IT!


Kalam

Master BH & Master Carbineer





I must disagree. No matter what your "day job" is (i.e. BH), if you are rebel or imperial you have chosen a side so you stick to it.

Unfortunately, this is a problem in the game mechanics by which we can have rebel bounty hunters. It makes sense that the Imperials are continuing to enforce their Jedi purge, so Imperial fighters will act on such directives, and it also makes sense that the Empire would hire mercenaries (i.e. neutral/civilians), a famous example being Boba Fett.

Personally, if I take a Jedi mark, and I get there and disocover the Jedi is a rebel, I will drop my mission because I'm a rebel too, and as such that Jedi is on my side of the war. So with the proposed fan fest changes coming through I do hope that they put a faction filter onto the terminals if they are also going to put unsuccessful BH's on the terminals too, because otherwise I'm going to be on the terminals a lot just because I won't collect a bounty on someone who's on the same side as I am.

The only other alternative I can think of is to change the game so that if you can only become a bounty hunter if you are a civilian, i.e. you are on your own side, no factions, because you're a cold-hearted killer, and conversely you can't join a side unless you drop all your Bounty Hunter skills.




I will kill same faction Jedi as long as there is no GCW going on. Everyone's so obsessed with Jeid grinding that the GCW has taken a toll. The rest don't want to go overt to just die in theed where 50 overt knights are waiting.



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Mark of a devoted Bounty Hunter:

"..so ill use the tactics i can against whoever i find, i mean my own brother when he played was a fairly strong jedi ( made it to like, iono, 180kish...?) and i hunted him and i could hear him yell from upstairs"

-Assassin-sk

Strangeur
Thu Jun 16, 2005 3:13 pm
#29

It's not whether someone can reconcile being part of a faction and still taking bounties on fellow allies, it's whether that faction would tolerate such behaviour.



I reckon it's ridiculous that a BH can take out a fellow imperial / rebel and that faction just turns a blind eye to it. So what if the Emperor said all Jedi must die? Sill doesnt make sense considering the Empire accepts entry to obvious jedi.



If the game chooses to stay faithful to that statement, then outlaw jedi joining the bloody empire. Silly. And kick out rebel BH who kill allied jedi. Bloody ridiculous. Just so that something is done to help it all make sense.



But yeah, not really that fussed



Take care


zachleathers
Thu Jun 16, 2005 6:42 pm
#30

actualy their were 9 other dark jedi ( i think 9) that kyle katarn killled n they were palpatines personal people mara jade being one of them




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Dueza
MasterOfEverything
Thu Jun 16, 2005 6:50 pm
#31

I'm a rebel, but I dont like Jedi. Therfore,I hunt them. I dont consider Jedi to be my allies.

Cougar959
Thu Jun 16, 2005 8:08 pm
#32



Well really you have to ask yourself this, do you love being a BH? If so then what ever you areit shouldn't matter weather the jedi is in the same faction,or evena person you know.


Yes some people say its low but hey BH's need to make a living here, what are we suppose to hunt down only the opposite faction jedi. I don't think so, if it was meant for us not to then we shouldn't beable to get there mission.


Every Jedi is fair game.

Message Edited by Cougar959 on 06-16-2005 08:09 PM



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fletcherreed
Thu Jun 16, 2005 9:06 pm
#33






Cougar959 wrote:



Well really you have to ask yourself this, do you love being a BH? If so then what ever you areit shouldn't matter weather the jedi is in the same faction,or evena person you know.


Yes some people say its low but hey BH's need to make a living here, what are we suppose to hunt down only the opposite faction jedi. I don't think so, if it was meant for us not to then we shouldn't beable to get there mission.


Every Jedi is fair game.


Message Edited by Cougar959 on 06-16-2005 08:09 PM




You can't classify all BH as "cold hearted assasins" or whatever. I'm positive any BH has a reservation on who he hunts.
zachleathers
Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:53 am
#34

its just my personal opinion but.....


I think itsstupid how people get all pissed off when a bounty hunter kills a jedi in the same faction as them..i mean think about this. a bounty hunter is supposed to be a cold hearted person who cares only about themselves n if they get a bounty they could care less if they are rebel and you are rebel its a BOUNTY HUNTER thats what they do, kill their target and collect the bounty who cares what faction their in. do you think jango fett or boba fett would care....lol well i dont.... a bounty is a bounty deal with it, if you choose to be jedi live up to the consequences dont use the exscuse of being an imperial and thinking all imperials should drop ur bounty, thats what bounty hunting is all about DEAL WITH IT!


Kalam

Master BH & Master Carbineer




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Dueza
zachleathers
Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:57 am
#35

and dont flame if u dont like wut i have to say




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Dueza
DaveG
Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:13 am
#36



Cougar959 wrote:

Well really you have to ask yourself this, do you love being a BH? If so then what ever you are it shouldn't matter weather the jedi is in the same faction,or even a person you know.

Yes some people say its low but hey BH's need to make a living here, what are we suppose to hunt down only the opposite faction jedi. I don't think so, if it was meant for us not to then we shouldn't beable to get there mission.

Every Jedi is fair game.

Message Edited by Cougar959 on 06-16-2005 08:09 PM



Again, I disagree with this point of view, but hey we're all entitled Anyway, if the fan fest proposal of having a faction filter on BH terminals goes through, I'd say that supports the idea of staying loyal to your faction, in the very least, it's making a lot easier to do so if not out-right prohibiting it.

I'm a rebel, and I'm a MBH (albeit respec'd), therefore I'm looking upon myself as an Alliance sponsored specialist, as an assassin of Imperial force weilders.



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Einsteinb
Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:36 am
#37

This subject has already been flogged to death.


Listen, there is clearly and undeniably sound RP reasons to justify same faction bounty hunting. There are discussed at length in countless other posts besides this. I will mention one of the better posts for this at the end of this post (since clickies always piss me off and have to test them over and over).


The Rebel Alliance is just that, an alliance of many different forces. These forces may not nessecairly share all the same doctrine, just in general want to see the Empire collapse and some new republic formed. Therefore, it is one possible one influencial group in the republic sees jedi as enemies of the republic, not seeing the fact they were enemies of the Emporer. It is possible one group is more rogueish and will try to seize influence in the command structure by assassinations and killing off the jedi that rank higher than their members.

And the big thing: This is a crude command structure. These groups may not be always in contact with each other, especially down at the cell level. It is very possible an "enemy of the rebel alliance" could exist down in the ranks without being detected and removed for a very long period of time.


Now let's look beyond that whole enemy of the Empire quote that justifies Imperial same faction BHing in every way . The Empire is more formalized and tightly bound. But we still see corruption. It is possible that an Imperial officer will use assassination to move through the ranks. By working inside the system rather than using external faction BHers to do this he gets an added security of knowing that the person is "under his influence," and can be punished for stepping out of line in the future. Then there is the fact that ajedi that happens to be in the Imperial ranks can become more defiant and need extermination from the faction for reasons other than his "jediness."


Bottom line is that RPed same faction BHing is sound and does not break continuity. Anyone who dislikes same faction BHing cannot use the RP dynamics of it as an arguement (Thus negating these "but we are the same faction! how can you kill your allies?!" arguements).

However, there are plenty of OOC reasons not to same faction BH. Even though it would be great if we could live in a fairy tale RP world with everyone IC 90% of the time, there is the cold hard fact that many jedi do not RP and their influencial friends don't either.


Some OOC reasons not the same faction BH:

These people do stand by your side in the GCW metagame, therefore imagine every jedi in your faction switching and then hammering your faction. I see 0-500 planetary control stats in that sort of future.

These people may be allies of your guild. This is why many guilds simply have a no same faction hunting policy, easier than double checking a list of guild allies to see if that jedi is an ally in an way.

These people can and will do everything in their power to hurt you after hunting them. Its just different when you are opposite factions, since they are already doing that. Plus there is the fact that the fellow might be a militia member of a well known Imperial city, consider that place no longer on the map. (basically, since they are in the same faction they can hurt you in whole new ways an opposite faction jedi couldn't)


I wish I lived in that fairy tale RP server where the OOC reasons not to hunt same faction jedi flew off, and after killing a jedi I get /tells of congradulations and asking if I would like a part in a plotline in the near future.,Aad... *Einsteinb begins to drift off into his fairy tale world listing all the perfections of it*





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Dariane_Kamutsovy
Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:42 am
#38






Spookibus wrote:
Rebels especially get ticked off, because BH's are technically enforcing the IMPERIAL law that makes any Jedi activity punishable by death. Imps generally don't get as angry about it, though there are exceptions.






I think it's more like a rebel jedi having a problem with rebel bhs:


- rebel -> which mean they oppose the imperial law


- yet the bountyhunter disregards this trying to apply the imperial law decreed saying all jedi should be extinguished....


As for GCW content: it would be cool to have all imperial troops and imperial aligned city officers to attack all jedi on sight. And rebel cities to attack only imp jedi... I think that was supposed to be happening... I have not seen it much however....



zachleathers
Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:39 am
#39

wow you guys r reall getting into detail on this




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