Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: Could this be considered harassment?
Quiet420 wrote:
oh well, might as well make use of this since its already here....the example of the squill cave, or any dungeon for that matter, or a city is a bit different....it's possible to blend in in a city, and people do grind and loot in dungeons, so there is a level of "cover"....but even then, If your making yourself obvious, it blows that cover....the situations I cited, and that the OP mentioned, were not in cities or in dungeons however, they were cases of a BH following a Jedi around from mission to mission in the wilds....which makes it blatently obvious.....the soloution (and I believe it is being worked on) is BH "Vis"....whereas if you have a mission on an individual as a BH, when in close proximity to your target, you will recieve tics of "vis", should you accumulate enough, the tef pops automaticly and the target is free to attack you.
Message Edited by Quiet420 on 09-04-2005 04:06 AM
No its not, he wasnt stopping anyone else from grinding, so the jedi couldnt get back to the guild group.. BIG DEAL.. if the jedi had run and the two of them had spent the next hour chasing all over the planet he would STILL be stopping him from taking part in a "guild event" and therefor by your argument harrassing him. Well here's a shocker: hunting Jedi is what most BH's grind up to do. All the OP did was stay within sight of where he thought the Jedi might turn up.
Salebow wrote:
And CSR's are right how much of the time?
the purpose of following people around to annoy them makes it harassment.
Salebow wrote:
And CSR's are right how much of the time?
Excellent point - to illustrate just HOW wrong they are, I'll use an example that a JEDI told me about in another thread a while back...
Said Jedi had concerns about visibility - he had been killed by a BH and was still on the terminals, his visibility had not reset. He submitted a ticket, the CSR saw the one word: "visibility" and suggested that the Jedi should update his video drivers (note that this is the same stupid recommendation I got when I started a thread about packet loss).
But don't think that means I'm agreeing with you - just showing you that, like CSRs, Jedi don't have a clue either.Harrassment is clearly defined in the EULA and theOP did not engage in any activity at all, let alone anything that could begin to be construed as such. The hunting group does not own the terrain through which they travel and in fact, if they tried to prevent the BH from going where he wished, that would be closer to harrassment than anything else.
Shaan'ti Hokai (Kauri) 
You know, Quiet there really has no clue. That was anything but harrassment, and any CSR would have laughed at the whiners and moved on. Hanging around a location you KNOW the jedi desires to return to is not harrassment, it's an attempt at collecting the bounty. Hell, it's actually begging for a counter trap, especially if that jedi used the time with no BH tef to re-duel a guildie before letting the BH shoot him again.
I think most BH's have run into the same; when Darrke was still a BH, I had an entire guild of jedi standing around spitting on me, challenging me, cursing me, screaming and swearing, doing obscene emotes, etc, because after they used the old /offerride exploit to let my mark get to a safehouse, I stayed in the area and waited him out.
I wound up waiting several hours while they brought him several hundred pearls and an auto-amazing toolkit, let him tune away till he was able to make a perfect saber, got him food buffed and doc buffed up, and I STILL wound up beating him down.
When you have a job, you do it. End of story.
(Side note: I wound up grinding jedi beside him 3 weeks later, and he didn't remember me. He DID brag about his saber non-stop, though, which I found rather amusing.)
Message Edited by Xoreshear on 09-05-2005 04:09 AM
primetime21 wrote:
I wasstalking a Jedi today, he is in a guild group and tanking. Finally the time was right and I attacked, incapped him run in for db and he gets db'd by a guild member. This really ticked me off, I knew he would be returning to the group as soon as I left. Instead of leaving I just sat there and wherever the group moved I followed them. They started sending me tells about how they were going to report me for harassing them. I just kept following them, making sure to never say a word to them or attack anything, andstaying about 75m out. Finally they all just went back to their guild hall and the Jedi sent me a tell saying I was griefing him because he could not take part in a guild event. I know I wasn't griefing the Jedi, but could it be considered harassment for following the group around even though i never interfered with anything they were doing?
the fact they used DB exploit ... kind of cancels out the fact you were ruining the guild event ...
Quiet420 wrote:
Yes, it is harassment....and if you do it enough and are reported, you will get a visit from a grumpy CSR.
it all goes to intent....by not attacking, but staying in sight, and actively following, your making it clear that your goal is to abuse the system.
Basicly...you have to ask yourself...if this was a pen and paper game, like D&D and you were siting accross the table from your opponent, with the dungeon master handling the mechanics....would you still do this? this analogy works for anything that would make you ask "Could this be considered harassment?"...or anything that would make you ask "Could this be considered an exploit?"
here are some of the consequences of been a douche:
Players quit because they don’t like the negative experience
New players don’t join because they don’t want the hassle
Ethically ambivalent players get expelled (they wouldn’t have cheated or griefed if they knew they would get caught, and since they saw someone else get away with it...).
Increased customer service support costs to deal with complaints, real and perceived
Increased in-game customer service costs
Increased technical support costs to identify threats
Increased technical support costs to counter threats
Increased technical support costs to identify & remove malicious players
this is BS ... the jedi used a duel exploit to avoid being hunted by the BH .... if the jedi hadnt used the exploit ..the BH wouldnt have followed them ...
TashunkaSapa wrote:
Salebow wrote:
And CSR's are right how much of the time?
Excellent point - to illustrate just HOW wrong they are, I'll use an example that a JEDI told me about in another thread a while back...
Said Jedi had concerns about visibility - he had been killed by a BH and was still on the terminals, his visibility had not reset. He submitted a ticket, the CSR saw the one word: "visibility" and suggested that the Jedi should update his video drivers (note that this is the same stupid recommendation I got when I started a thread about packet loss).
But don't think that means I'm agreeing with you - just showing you that, like CSRs, Jedi don't have a clue either.Harrassment is clearly defined in the EULA and theOP did not engage in any activity at all, let alone anything that could begin to be construed as such. The hunting group does not own the terrain through which they travel and in fact, if they tried to prevent the BH from going where he wished, that would be closer to harrassment than anything else.
Here's how such a ticket should be handled by any CSR that doesn't suffer from cranial-rectal inversion...
CSR: OK, so what was the reported player doing?
Jedi: Following my group around, waiting for me to return.
CSR: Isn't that what bounty hunters do? Following the mark around?
Jedi: But I wasn't there anymore, because one of my group members DB'd me so the BH wouldn't get the payout!
CSR: I see... so he still had your mission?
Jedi: Yes.
CSR: And he knew where you were likely to be?
Jedi: Yes, and he was keeping me from rejoining my group!
CSR: How could he in any way restrain you if, as you said, he was no longer anywhere near you?
Jedi: But he knew where I was going to be, and he was waiting there for me!
CSR: Isn't that what Bounty Hunters are supposed to do?
Jedi: . . .
CSR: Was he training aggro onto your group?
Jedi: No.
CSR: What was he saying to your group?
Jedi: Nothing.
CSR: Well, what was he doing then, besides walking along the same path?
Jedi: Nothing.
CSR: So, you want me to reprimand someone for doing... nothing?!?
Jedi: Yeah, because that's harrassment!
CSR: /bans Jedi and his group.
Thassk wrote:
this is BS ... the jedi used a duel exploit to avoid being hunted by the BH .... if the jedi hadnt used the exploit ..the BH wouldnt have followed them ...
Quiet420 wrote:
Thassk wrote:
this is BS ... the jedi used a duel exploit to avoid being hunted by the BH .... if the jedi hadnt used the exploit ..the BH wouldnt have followed them ...
if /duel is an exploit or a bug.....riddle me this: why was text created specificly for this situation that appears nowhere else in game?
wrong duel exploit ... im talking about the one where grinding jedi groups keep open DUELS on each other so when the BH comes ... they can DB each other .... to obstruct the BH's mission ... and YES obstructing ANOTHER'S gameplay by using game mechanics in ways they arent intended to be used in, isknown as .. "exploiting" .
k thx
Quiet420 wrote:
if /duel is an exploit or a bug.....riddle me this: why was text created specificly for this situation that appears nowhere else in game?
Answer this simple question: The /duel command should be used when...
A) You want to fight someone, or
B) You don't want to fight someone
If you answered A, you're correct! If you answered B, you're a Jedi! (And also a moron...)