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Thread: Could this be considered harassment?

Nim_Cross
Sun Sep 04, 2005 10:38 am
#14
Unless you're sitting there pointing at a member of the group saying "I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you..." it's not harassment. Why? Because it's a free world. What Quiet fails to use in his arguements is common sense.

No CSR, not even the dumbest one, would waste his time with a harassment report like this. Why? Because, beleive it or not, SWG is a "free country". You can do whatever you want as long as it doesn't break the Terms of Use... and following a group around is not listed anywhere in the terms of use.

The only people who make this disruptful are the members of the group itself. They're the ones who are choosing not to continue with what they were doing. You were just sitting there, doing absalutely nothing. Not kill stealing, not talking trash, just sitting there. If you were trying to outdamage there kills, overspawning a lair and flooding the group with MOBs, or anything like that, they'd have a good arguement.

You weren't stopping the group from doing anything. You weren't stopping the Jedi from doing anything. The Jedi could have came out and gone about his merry way, but he chose not to. Whether or not you have a mission on him doesn't matter.

But anyways, Don't worry about it. No matter what anyone says, following someone is not going to get you banned... it won't even win you a warning or probation. For all the CSR knows, you could have been following the group, waiting for the Jedi to come back... it only seems logical you stick with the group he was grinding with.




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AvArmor
Sun Sep 04, 2005 11:27 am
#15




Epitaxial wrote:





Kelb wrote:

About the DB: Are you sure his guildie DB'ed and not a MOB? I thought that was supposed to be impossible now...





I was wondering the same thing. Unless either the BH or Jedi can /duel someone else in the middle of a fight?








I've seen ppl do it before the BH incaps them, i.e. put the final shot or two in, not sure about once they r incapped though.


As for the original post, no its not harrasment, knowledge is power, u knew he wanted to bein that location (all be it a Group of ppl) and ucan lay in wait for him, perfectly sound tactics, i say that as a BH and a Jedi.


It really bugs me whenJedi moan because they killed while dueling some1 by a BH, or while hunting etc, and its just plain stupid, BH is there to kill the Jedi,by any (legal) means nessasairy.

If u ID a target and u know they duel all day in bestine, it would be stupidnot to use that knowledge against them, and the same with your situation.


If u don't want BH visits. stay off the terms, simple as that.



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TyrenioChilastra
Sun Sep 04, 2005 11:51 am
#16
I have had a conversation with a CSR, and he said that a bh has the right to be wherever he wants, when he wants. he pays his $15/mo to do what he wants. the bh didn't harass verbally, and just the fact he was standing there does not violate any rule. where do you see a rule that any person cannot be where they want them to in game(besides in unreachable areas, obviously)? no where. it isn't harassment. he's playing the game with the same rights as you, jedi or not. stop complaining. kthxbai. 



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Eleutherios
Sun Sep 04, 2005 12:03 pm
#17

This isn't harassment at all. It's called "the title of the first tree in BH."


Anyway, Jedi will say ANYTHING is harassment to get you to leave. I had a conversation like this through /tells with a Jedi a while ago (after he exploited the BH TEF and ran into his house):


Jedi: go away
Me: No!
Jedi: you can't talk to me if you're hunting me, that's harassment, I'm going to report you


After he exploited the BH TEF and sent a tell to me first, mind you.


They'll say anything and everything to get you to leave.




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Ialwysdie
Sun Sep 04, 2005 12:09 pm
#18




Quiet420 wrote:

Yes, it is harassment....and if you do it enough and are reported, you will get a visit from a grumpy CSR.


it all goes to intent....by not attacking, but staying in sight, and actively following, your making it clear that your goal is to abuse the system.


Basicly...you have to ask yourself...if this was a pen and paper game, like D&D and you were siting accross the table from your opponent, with the dungeon master handling the mechanics....would you still do this? this analogy works for anything that would make you ask "Could this be considered harassment?"...or anything that would make you ask "Could this be considered an exploit?"


here are some of the consequences of been a douche:


Players quit because they don’t like the negative experience


New players don’t join because they don’t want the hassle


Ethically ambivalent players get expelled (they wouldn’t have cheated or griefed if they knew they would get caught, and since they saw someone else get away with it...).


Increased customer service support costs to deal with complaints, real and perceived


Increased in-game customer service costs


Increased technical support costs to identify threats


Increased technical support costs to counter threats


Increased technical support costs to identify & remove malicious players






BH decides when and where to strike and in no way at all is it abuse it's called tactics. A good BH doesn't rush in guns blazing. They follow and track and move in at the right moment.


If people don't like being followed by BH's well then they shouldn't be Jedi.


Pre-CU i tracked a Jedi to the Squill caves when it was a decent place to grind. I went inside. Me and the Jedi passed by each other several times. I played the part like I was grinding off the squills as well killing groups of them at the time while positioning myself as close as possible to the Jedi without alerting suspicion. Eventually an opportunity presented itself and I moved in for the kill. I was in the cave with the Jedi for a good 45 minutes. I was within sight of him the whole time.

So your saying it is harrassment is BS.



Quiet420
Sun Sep 04, 2005 12:41 pm
#19


you can argue it all you want....but the truth of the matter is, stalking is the art of seeing without being seen...which is quite different then following a mark around, waiting for the oppurtunity to one hit him while in plain view, hiding behind a one way tef. again...in the pen and paper face to face game, this would be unacceptable, and If you do it enough, and get reported, you will face the wraith of our "dungeon masters" the CSR's....it's all about intent...and it is an abuse of the system. I know this personally as I had a run in with a BH who did the same thing....it wasn't difficult to understand he was there for my mission,so after about40 minutes of killing mobs, moving from mission to mission, I asked him "so you gonna attack?" and he replied "eventually, but it's my choice as to when, I'm gonna hit you when your weak or wait for another BH to show if I need to" so.....I filed a ticket and a report...and continued about my buisness...about 2 hours later a CSR finally showed up...and at that point I don't know what words were exchanged, however, a week later I got a tell from the BH apologizing, he said he hadn't really thought about itas harassment since the game allowed him to do it, but that he was suspended.


so, take that as you will, but in answer to the OP, yes, and if your gonna do it, it's at your own risk.


rizzacathon
Sun Sep 04, 2005 1:24 pm
#20

telling a jedi to stop whinning is like banging your head against the wall.


your just gonna end up with a headache in the end.


El_Puto_Amo
Sun Sep 04, 2005 1:30 pm
#21
Another cryer jedi. That's all.



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TheGreatFreyr
Sun Sep 04, 2005 2:22 pm
#22
no way that's close to harassment, it's ur choice when u attack and how you attack. you got 3 days to kill him, u can spend 3 days following him and ur in the blue.



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Quiet420
Sun Sep 04, 2005 3:32 pm
#23


I'm done with this thread, but enjoy the coming nerf everybody...you earned it.


remember the debate on taking the same persons mission over and over (that wasn't harassment?), and the debate over selectively taking low level marks (not griefing?)

Message Edited by Quiet420 on 09-04-2005 06:38 PM

El_Puto_Amo
Sun Sep 04, 2005 3:33 pm
#24




Quiet420 wrote:


I'm done with this thread, but enjoy the coming nerf everybody...you earned it.




lol



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Atlas120
Sun Sep 04, 2005 3:47 pm
#25




Quiet420 wrote:



I'm done with this thread, but enjoy the coming nerf everybody...you earned it.


remember the debate on taking the same persons mission over and over (that wasn't harassment?), and the debate over selectively taking low level marks (not griefing?)

Message Edited by Quiet420 on 09-04-2005 06:38 PM




Good.. because I have a counter to something you said...


You say it's harrassment to follow the group around.. Well think about it like this... If a jedi got away and was in the group the BH is smart enough to stay with the group and see if the jedi comes back for as long as he wants...


ALSO... The fact that a guildiee DBed him while the jedi was attacked by a BH is basicly an exploit IMHO... I would never use it because it wouldn't be fair to the BH that just got me. Since it's a glitch in the system (Don't give me anything about Devs saying it's not.. It's low, dirty, and a way for BHs not to get payment.. That's what I consider an exploit) that should be a suspendable offense right there.. and if any BH mark i get does that it will be a /report...






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Salebow
Sun Sep 04, 2005 4:33 pm
#26

And CSR's are right how much of the time?



the purpose of following people around to annoy them makes it harassment.





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