Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: DEV's: How can you justify invisiblitiy?
Zarrin465
Wed Jul 27, 2005 3:08 pm
#27
Corvett wrote:
Eskie wrote:
PapaLazarou10 wrote:
I would like to know how you can justify Jedi having invisibilty (Cloak) with seemingly no end?
In a few recent missions my mark has been able to Cloak, this is due mainly to the fact I'm a Rifleman, I cannot get within 20m fast enuff to prevent cloak.
I can accept cloak being part of their abilities, but not when they can run it indefinately. This ability should be on a short timer, for example 20 secs at a time, this is enuff time to break free from attack from the BH, and perhaps a 15 sec delay before reapplying it again.
In other SW related games that have Jedi content, Mind Tricks have always been small use options, with this in SWG it has become a game breaker for me and many other BH. Having Jedi constantly using Mind Tricks on us is like saying that ALL Bounty Hunters are weak minded ( I know i have left myself open for abuse from the Jedi trolls).
So please DEV's, apply some common sense to this issue.
MAny thx
Simple justification: Game balance. If you examine Jedi and BH templates a little closer, you will notice that every Jedi template and every BH template has weaknesses. This leads to a situation where not every BH template can take out every Jedi template, which is perfectly fine in terms of game balancing.(Stop this. You are makeing sense and we will have none of that here.)
If your template is MBH / MRM, the Jedi counter to being kited is Force Cloak. You try to stay out of the Jedis range in order not to get hit, the Jedi uses his skills in order not to get hit. Force Cloak is a very effective counter to kiting.
MBH / MRM is pretty well suited to fight MLS / MDef / Heal 3000 / Enhance 0002 Jedi. Thats the fight where you have an advantage because of your range.(BH advantages are perfectly fine though. We just can't have anyone else haveing an advantage.)
Nowhere is stated that every BH template is able to kill all Jedi templates.(What? Thats news to the Bh community.)If you run into a Jedi template you cant kill - tough luck.(Don't you mean we come to the forums and cry for nerfs?)Move on to your next mark. If you want to win against a Cloaker or Master Enhancer you need serious crowd control abilities which your template doesnt have.(See now you are talking tactics for ceartain Jedi aBH's are supposed to be able to take out every template and if not we MUST have it nerfed.)
ROFLMAO
Qwad
Wed Jul 27, 2005 3:15 pm
#28
Corvett wrote:
They justify the use of BH duelist stance because we all know it is Bh's who can stand there and reflect damage back and Jedi can not, or wait did I get that wrong? Ah, wait the root shots Bh's can do was used by who again? How about CM's doing constant paralyze to someone without end? How about the putting on poinsons and dieseases to people I remember that in which movie again? Ah how about the time when you attack someone and there friend has to stand there and watch cause he can't help? Oh wait I don't remember that one either. I can go on and on about skills from BH's and other professions that are overpowered so quit crying you are part of the group giveing Bh's a bad name.
Phinneus wrote:
PapaLazarou10 wrote:
I would like to know how you can justify Jedi having invisibilty (Cloak) with seemingly no end?
In a few recent missions my mark has been able to Cloak, this is due mainly to the fact I'm a Rifleman, I cannot get within 20m fast enuff to prevent cloak.
I can accept cloak being part of their abilities, but not when they can run it indefinately. This ability should be on a short timer, for example 20 secs at a time, this is enuff time to break free from attack from the BH, and perhaps a 15 sec delay before reapplying it again.
In other SW related games that have Jedi content, Mind Tricks have always been small use options, with this in SWG it has become a game breaker for me and many other BH. Having Jedi constantly using Mind Tricks on us is like saying that ALL Bounty Hunters are weak minded ( I know i have left myself open for abuse from the Jedi trolls
So please DEV's, apply some common sense to this issue.MAny thx
They justify the use of Jedi cloak because the time Obi-Wan used it in ... Hmm no wait. It was Yoda who. No. Let me think of which Jedi made himself invisable. Oh thats right. Only the Jedi in this game get to go invisable. (SOE is continuing to change all the goodness George Lucas created).
-Phinneus
Message Edited by Corvett on 07-27-2005 12:53 PM
Haha yeah a whole 25 damage... OW! OW!
CivicBountyHunter
Wed Jul 27, 2005 3:22 pm
#29
Corvett wrote:
They justify the use of BH duelist stance because we all know it is Bh's who can stand there and reflect damage back and Jedi can not, or wait did I get that wrong? Ah, wait the root shots Bh's can do was used by who again? How about CM's doing constant paralyze to someone without end? How about the putting on poinsons and dieseases to people I remember that in which movie again? Ah how about the time when you attack someone and there friend has to stand there and watch cause he can't help? Oh wait I don't remember that one either. I can go on and on about skills from BH's and other professions that are overpowered so quit crying you are part of the group giveing Bh's a bad name.
Phinneus wrote:
PapaLazarou10 wrote:
I would like to know how you can justify Jedi having invisibilty (Cloak) with seemingly no end?
In a few recent missions my mark has been able to Cloak, this is due mainly to the fact I'm a Rifleman, I cannot get within 20m fast enuff to prevent cloak.
I can accept cloak being part of their abilities, but not when they can run it indefinately. This ability should be on a short timer, for example 20 secs at a time, this is enuff time to break free from attack from the BH, and perhaps a 15 sec delay before reapplying it again.
In other SW related games that have Jedi content, Mind Tricks have always been small use options, with this in SWG it has become a game breaker for me and many other BH. Having Jedi constantly using Mind Tricks on us is like saying that ALL Bounty Hunters are weak minded ( I know i have left myself open for abuse from the Jedi trolls
So please DEV's, apply some common sense to this issue.
MAny thx
They justify the use of Jedi cloak because the time Obi-Wan used it in ... Hmm no wait. It was Yoda who. No. Letme think of which Jedi made himself invisable. Oh thats right. Only the Jedi in this game get to go invisable. (SOE is continuing to change all the goodness George Lucas created).
-Phinneus
Message Edited by Corvett on 07-27-2005 12:53 PM
Where was that part where the jediare over running the galaxy, and hence becoming the anti-christ to alot of people? Oh thats right, there is not.
I can go on about how jedi have ruined this game for any other prof but them selves, and are overpowered so quit crying you are part of the group giving jedi a bad name.
*edit* Don't feed Macabre, he is a very hungry troll and will eat up anything you toss at him. Mac himself ingame honestly is not that bad, but it is the group that hang on his coat tails that is truely pathetic.
Message Edited by CivicBountyHunter on 07-27-2005 06:27 PM
Eskie
Wed Jul 27, 2005 3:29 pm
#30
marc-anthony wrote:
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Heh heh funny story, once upon a time I had a mission for a Jedi who was hunting with Macabre on Tatooine, the Jedi saw me coming and proceeded to cloak and run around me for 1.5 hours, sending me tells that Cloak is just SCREAMING for a nerf.
LOL then he uncloaked destroyed my swoop and cloaked. LOL that was so much fun, and I agree with that Jedi completely.
Yeah. Maybe you want to tell us also how the Jedi was able to take out your swoop if you were chasing him for 1.5 hours? As far as I can tell no BH TEF means no disabled swoop possible. Unless of course you were hunting Jedi as Special Forces member and the Jedi happened to be SF also...
CivicBountyHunter
Wed Jul 27, 2005 3:42 pm
#31
Eskie wrote:
marc-anthony wrote:
(...)
Heh heh funny story, once upon a time I had a mission for a Jedi who was hunting with Macabre on Tatooine, the Jedi saw me coming and proceeded to cloak and run around me for 1.5 hours, sending me tells that Cloak is just SCREAMING for a nerf.
LOL then he uncloaked destroyed my swoop and cloaked. LOL that was so much fun, and I agree with that Jedi completely.
Yeah. Maybe you want to tell us also how the Jedi was able to take out your swoop if you were chasing him for 1.5 hours? As far as I can tell no BH TEF means no disabled swoop possible. Unless of course you were hunting Jedi as Special Forces member and the Jedi happened to be SF also...
Well, maybe before he took out the speeder he /uncloaked, let the BH attack him, FR3, cloak, /laugh, /uncloak, kill speeder, FR3, /cloak, /laugh....
This wasn't by chance Seph was it?
Eskie
Wed Jul 27, 2005 3:50 pm
#32
CivicBountyHunter wrote:
Eskie wrote:
marc-anthony wrote:
(...)
Heh heh funny story, once upon a time I had a mission for a Jedi who was hunting with Macabre on Tatooine, the Jedi saw me coming and proceeded to cloak and run around me for 1.5 hours, sending me tells that Cloak is just SCREAMING for a nerf.
LOL then he uncloaked destroyed my swoop and cloaked. LOL that was so much fun, and I agree with that Jedi completely.
Yeah. Maybe you want to tell us also how the Jedi was able to take out your swoop if you were chasing him for 1.5 hours? As far as I can tell no BH TEF means no disabled swoop possible. Unless of course you were hunting Jedi as Special Forces member and the Jedi happened to be SF also...
Well, maybe before he took out the speeder he /uncloaked, let the BH attack him, FR3, cloak, /laugh, /uncloak, kill speeder, FR3, /cloak, /laugh....This wasn't by chance Seph was it?
If a BH leaves a speeder out its his own fault.
Jedi speeders are BH primary targets to close one avenue of escape, same is true for BH speeders from the Jedi point of view to render one method of following the Jedi around useless.
CivicBountyHunter
Wed Jul 27, 2005 4:02 pm
#33
^agree^
It was a dumb move on the BH's part to leave bike out. I dont think he was really grip'n about a lost bike. I was just pointing out what most likely happened, seeing you where asking.
sirshaggs
Thu Jul 28, 2005 12:01 am
#34
Phinneus wrote:
Corvett wrote:
Sorry Phinneus but if you look at your posts it is YOU who are crying about cloak. I am trying to stop people like you from wrecking the game for asking more more nerfs. Not one time am I crying about anything I am justifying. Learn to read and comprehend what it is being said.Message Edited by Corvett on 07-27-200501:41 PM
Thanks Corvette for the typical "I know you are but what am I" response.But invisability is an unfair advantage. And now by taking the BH's ability to /target gives them an evem larger advantage.This game is becoming EQ in the worst way. Spell effects, invisability, root, ranged healing, resurection etc. The game is slipping away from what it is supposed to be. I just think the developers should stay somewhat within the storyline that George Lucas created and stop making these new abilities (of which need nerfing) that has nothing to do with Star Wars.-PhinneusQuestion: How come nobody told Obi-Wan Kenobe about the cloning facilities in every city?
I can see cloak in Star Wars...
obiwan " these are not the droids you are looking for"
he give them the jedi mind trick..
when luke goes to jabba and the guards back away...
Now how do you take that and impliment it into a game.
Making it so they can't attack but be seen jsut makes the BH follow until the jedi stops using the mind trick. So they make the jedi invisible to deter the BH from following truly making it a mind trick
Phinneus
Thu Jul 28, 2005 12:01 am
#35
Corvett wrote:
There are many skills you can get as well the Jedi can not yes? Poisons? Disiease? The abilty to unlimted Paralyze someone or how about Fire damage? Traumatize? Fire while cloaked? I know Low blow lowers their speed by 40 points? Duelists stance? I mean come on we all know Bh's can just stand there and reflect damage back to their targets and Jedi can't right? Shall I continue? You all crying is pathetic. It is ALL Bh's do anymore.
Corvette. This post of yours is an example of crying. Stop calling the kettle black please.
-Phinneus
daz007
Thu Jul 28, 2005 12:03 am
#36
there is one poster in here who is always crying and it is a Jedi and I am not telling you who. 
Eraser_BH
Thu Jul 28, 2005 12:03 am
#37
The Jedi Whiner whined...
just stand there and reflect damage back to their targets and Jedi can't right? Shall I continue? You all crying is pathetic
I agree, an ALPHA profession whining about whiners is indeed, Pathetic. 
Phinneus
Thu Jul 28, 2005 12:06 am
#38
sirshaggs wrote:
I can see cloak in Star Wars...
obiwan " these are not the droids you are looking for"
he give them the jedi mind trick..
when luke goes to jabba and the guards back away...
Now how do you take that and impliment it into a game.
Making it so they can't attack but be seen jsut makes the BH follow until the jedi stops using the mind trick. So they make the jedi invisible to deter the BH from following truly making it a mind trick
ROFL my friend. I have droids that will help me follow you regardless of your cloak and lack of targetting.
-Phinneus
Eraser_BH
Thu Jul 28, 2005 12:09 am
#39
Phinneus wrote:
Corvett wrote:
There are many skills you can get as well the Jedi can not yes? Poisons? Disiease? The abilty to unlimted Paralyze someone or how about Fire damage? Traumatize? Fire while cloaked? I know Low blow lowers their speed by 40 points? Duelists stance? I mean come on we all know Bh's can just stand there and reflect damage back to their targets and Jedi can't right? Shall I continue? You all crying is pathetic. It is ALL Bh's do anymore.
Corvette. This post of yours is an example of crying. Stop calling the kettle black please.
-Phinneus
Hah, sheesh with all these skills "Bounty Hunters" supposedly get, why is Corvett playing a Jedi? Why would anyone play a Jedi? In fact why would anyone pay a grand for a Jedi accountwhen they canget a Bounty hunteraccount for pennies on the dollar?
Message Edited by Eraser_BH on 07-27-2005 12:10 PM