Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: DEV's: How can you justify invisiblitiy?
Corvett
Wed Jul 27, 2005 11:29 am
#14
sirshaggs wrote:
When did BH get a root?
Bh's can get roots with pther proffessions and use them against their targets still yes? The point is there are many many skills that can be considered overpowered to people and instead if crying about it here learn how to combat them.
Corvett
Wed Jul 27, 2005 11:41 am
#15
Phinneus wrote:
sirshaggs wrote:
When did BH get a root?
BHs dont have root (most of us have 0004 in pistols but don't tell corvette). Corvette is just crying.
-Phinneus
Sorry Phinneus but if you look at your posts it is YOU who are crying about cloak. I am trying to stop people like you from wrecking the game for asking more more nerfs. Not one time am I crying about anything I am justifying. Learn to read and comprehend what it is being said.
Message Edited by Corvett on 07-27-2005 01:41 PM
Compton
Wed Jul 27, 2005 11:48 am
#16
Corvett wrote:
sirshaggs wrote:
When did BH get a root?
Bh's can get roots with pther proffessions and use them against their targets still yes? The point is there are many many skills that can be considered overpowered to people and instead if crying about it here learn how to combat them.
Yesterday I fought a Jedi who Rooted ME. Both sides can use it, unlike cloak, FR3 and a lot of other abilities that no one has ever seen, nor heard of.
I think that to cloak yourself, you must first loot the "One Ring to Rule Them All." It should probably be dropped by Frodo in the DWB.
sirshaggs
Wed Jul 27, 2005 11:49 am
#17
in your eyes corvette....what BH only abilities do you think are game breaking? And why?
I can tell you cloak is a pisser...you can't target, you can't see, there is no dot...and I don't understand how a pet, droid, or swoop would be able to tell me where they are.
I do know the jedi can cloak for a very long time with..I think it's force infusion. you say you can get alot of people to stand around the jedi to run down there force, but thats assuming you know where he is and isn't running away from you.
Now I am not saying cloak should be removed or anything, just trying to play mediator without the low blows...cause I am the only one who has that abilitly
I would like it however, to break somehow after a period of time or whatnot...
I will say I do not know the cloak ability fully as I do not have it...so maybe you could enlighten us on that too..
I can tell you cloak is a pisser...you can't target, you can't see, there is no dot...and I don't understand how a pet, droid, or swoop would be able to tell me where they are.
I do know the jedi can cloak for a very long time with..I think it's force infusion. you say you can get alot of people to stand around the jedi to run down there force, but thats assuming you know where he is and isn't running away from you.
Now I am not saying cloak should be removed or anything, just trying to play mediator without the low blows...cause I am the only one who has that abilitly
I would like it however, to break somehow after a period of time or whatnot...
I will say I do not know the cloak ability fully as I do not have it...so maybe you could enlighten us on that too..
Message Edited by sirshaggs on 07-27-2005 02:51 PM
Phinneus
Wed Jul 27, 2005 11:53 am
#18
Corvett wrote:
Sorry Phinneus but if you look at your posts it is YOU who are crying about cloak. I am trying to stop people like you from wrecking the game for asking more more nerfs. Not one time am I crying about anything I am justifying. Learn to read and comprehend what it is being said.
Message Edited by Corvett on 07-27-2005 01:41 PM
Thanks Corvette for the typical "I know you are but what am I" response.
But invisability is an unfair advantage. And now by taking the BH's ability to /target <player> gives them an evem larger advantage.
This game is becoming EQ in the worst way. Spell effects, invisability, root, ranged healing, resurection etc. The game is slipping away from what it is supposed to be. I just think the developers should stay somewhat within the storyline that George Lucas created and stop making these new abilities (of which need nerfing) that has nothing to do with Star Wars.
-Phinneus
Question: How come nobody told Obi-Wan Kenobe about the cloning facilities in every city?
Corvett
Wed Jul 27, 2005 11:56 am
#19
Compton wrote:
Corvett wrote:
sirshaggs wrote:
When did BH get a root?
Bh's can get roots with pther proffessions and use them against their targets still yes? The point is there are many many skills that can be considered overpowered to people and instead if crying about it here learn how to combat them.
Yesterday I fought a Jedi who Rooted ME. Both sides can use it, unlike cloak, FR3 and a lot of other abilities that no one has ever seen, nor heard of.
I think that to cloak yourself, you must first loot the "One Ring to Rule Them All." It should probably be dropped by Frodo in the DWB.
There are many skills you can get as well the Jedi can not yes? Poisons? Disiease? The abilty to unlimted Paralyze someone or how about Fire damage? Traumatize? Fire while cloaked? I know Low blow lowers their speed by 40 points? Duelists stance? I mean come on we all know Bh's can just stand there and reflect damage back to their targets and Jedi can't right? Shall I continue? You all crying is pathetic. It is ALL Bh's do anymore.
chewie49
Wed Jul 27, 2005 1:02 pm
#20
I would like to know how you can justify Jedi having invisibilty (Cloak) with seemingly no end?
In a few recent missions my mark has been able to Cloak mostly imp jedi will have this no? try reb jedi next time so you can deal with force run and cry nerf on that
, this is due mainly to the fact I'm a Rifleman, I cannot get within 20m fast enuff to prevent cloak. ever consider trying melee...or even getting some skills that will let you root them? maybe a different template is in order for you instead of another jedi nerf??? ever consider that possiblilty?
I can accept cloak being part of their abilities, but not when they can run it indefinately cannot run it forever with lots of ppl near by, it drains force way too fast. This ability should be on a short timer, for example 20 secs at a time, this is enuff time to break free from attack from the BH, and perhaps a 15 sec delay before reapplying it again.
In other SW related games that have Jedi content, Mind Tricks have always been small use options, with this in SWG it has become a game breaker for me and many other BH. Having Jedi constantly using Mind Tricks on us is like saying that ALL Bounty Hunters are weak minded ( I know i have left myself open for abuse from the Jedi trolls ) beat me to it.
So please DEV's, apply some common sense to this issue.
In a few recent missions my mark has been able to Cloak mostly imp jedi will have this no? try reb jedi next time so you can deal with force run and cry nerf on that
, this is due mainly to the fact I'm a Rifleman, I cannot get within 20m fast enuff to prevent cloak. ever consider trying melee...or even getting some skills that will let you root them? maybe a different template is in order for you instead of another jedi nerf??? ever consider that possiblilty?I can accept cloak being part of their abilities, but not when they can run it indefinately cannot run it forever with lots of ppl near by, it drains force way too fast. This ability should be on a short timer, for example 20 secs at a time, this is enuff time to break free from attack from the BH, and perhaps a 15 sec delay before reapplying it again.
In other SW related games that have Jedi content, Mind Tricks have always been small use options, with this in SWG it has become a game breaker for me and many other BH. Having Jedi constantly using Mind Tricks on us is like saying that ALL Bounty Hunters are weak minded ( I know i have left myself open for abuse from the Jedi trolls ) beat me to it
.So please DEV's, apply some common sense to this issue.
MAny thx - boo
Barrek
Wed Jul 27, 2005 1:15 pm
#21
tHeRaBiDmOnKeY wrote:
we are not your content. We are not going to just sit idly by and let you kill us. If you have to hunt us, we WILL make you work for it. And don't think we can run this indefinetely. The force drain is tremendous when used in cities. Out in the wild however, every time they run past creatures, those creatures will add to the force drain. What you do is just launch a few more seekers and FOLLOW the target. Don't expect us to just stay in one area and fight. We will do what we can to survive.
You see this is the argument that I love. How many Jedi have any other BHs here tracked that ran through every creature spawn trying to get away...........the ones I follow ran around them. Also why would a Jedi use cloak in a major city, thats why you are given an alt so you don't have to go into major cites. I know for a FACT I have tracked a couple (NOT ALL) of Jedi for 2 hours + running across tat. or dant. just pulling me around. Believe it or not every time the saw a animal or NPC they ran around it not through it. So for you to say "And don't think we can run this indefinitely" is false.
In my opinion cloak is a very good special for Jedis to have. I do not want it, or think it should be removed. Just because you didn't see a Jedi use it in the movies doesnt mean they couldnt. Hell never saw Luke,Obi,Yoda,or any other Jedi in the movies take a piss...but I bet they could. Let me put it this way how fast do you think a rifleman would get "nerfed" if they could use cover while running around?? Bear in mind it would still work the same way. You can only cover if your not too close to anything and if you run to close to stuff it breaks. Now just imagine the yelling and screaming that would bring on. Cloak should be left the way it is, buuuut it should have a timer on how long it can be left on and a cooldown timer on reapplying it.
daz007
Wed Jul 27, 2005 1:44 pm
#22
Corvett wrote:
Eraser_BH wrote:
Phinneus wrote:
Corvett wrote:
Owned? What are you a 12 year old? Bh's can get all kinds of skills includeing root to use yes? Or am I wrong about this?
See what I mean Corvett? First you come in here crying and whining and disrupting the BH discussion. Now you are outright name calling. Ask yourself this: Are you 12 years old?
-Phinneus
Corvett is too stubborn to be 12. He is sounding like the bitter old man. You know, theold hermitthatresidesin everyones block who yells at all the kids. Dare not knock onCorvett's door trick or treating.
Message Edited by Eraser_BH on 07-27-2005 12:49 PM
LOL Ok that was funny I have to admit. Yes I am bitter cause I have seen this crap the last two years with everyone crying nerfs cause they get beat.
didn't you once head over to the Smuggler forums and whine about LD? I could be mistaken as it was a while ago but whatever...
Corvett
Wed Jul 27, 2005 1:52 pm
#23
daz007 wrote:
Corvett wrote:
Eraser_BH wrote:
Phinneus wrote:
Corvett wrote:
Owned? What are you a 12 year old? Bh's can get all kinds of skills includeing root to use yes? Or am I wrong about this?
See what I mean Corvett? First you come in here crying and whining and disrupting the BH discussion. Now you are outright name calling. Ask yourself this: Are you 12 years old?
-Phinneus
Corvett is too stubborn to be 12. He is sounding like the bitter old man. You know, theold hermitthatresidesin everyones block who yells at all the kids. Dare not knock onCorvett's door trick or treating.
Message Edited by Eraser_BH on 07-27-2005 12:49 PM
LOL Ok that was funny I have to admit. Yes I am bitter cause I have seen this crap the last two years with everyone crying nerfs cause they get beat.
didn't you once head over to the Smuggler forums and whine about LD? I could be mistaken as it was a while ago but whatever...
Nope sorry but that wasn't me. I don't ask for nerfs, I do combat those who ask for them.
e3ApeXX
Wed Jul 27, 2005 2:14 pm
#24
Corvett wrote:
Phinneus wrote:
Corvett wrote:
They justify the use of BH duelist stance because we all know it is Bh's who can stand there and reflect damage back and Jedi can not, or wait did I get that wrong? Ah, wait the root shots Bh's can do was used by who again? How about CM's doing constant paralyze to someone without end? How about the putting on poinsons and dieseases to people I remember that in which movie again? Ah how about the time when you attack someone and there friend has to stand there and watch cause he can't help? Oh wait I don't remember that one either. I can go on and on about skills from BH's and other professions that are overpowered so quit crying you are part of the group giveing Bh's a bad name.
Message Edited by Corvett on 07-27-200512:53 PM
ROFLMAO .... I did not complain nor cry in my post. But I did sense a bit of hostility and/or sadness in your post. Ask yourself this: "Is it Phinneus the one who is crying?"
I am sorry I am not there to comfort you in these sad times. Things will get better so wipe them tears and turn that frown upside down.
Stupid BH
-Phinneus
BS you are crying like the others. That is what your BS sarcastic post was about. You just can't handle the fact that Bh's have many skills that are BS as well and should be nerfed but you don't see us crying everyday about it.
Stupid BH
Will you all shaddup.
Eskie
Wed Jul 27, 2005 2:37 pm
#25
PapaLazarou10 wrote:I would like to know how you can justify Jedi having invisibilty (Cloak) with seemingly no end?
In a few recent missions my mark has been able to Cloak, this is due mainly to the fact I'm a Rifleman, I cannot get within 20m fast enuff to prevent cloak.
I can accept cloak being part of their abilities, but not when they can run it indefinately. This ability should be on a short timer, for example 20 secs at a time, this is enuff time to break free from attack from the BH, and perhaps a 15 sec delay before reapplying it again.
In other SW related games that have Jedi content, Mind Tricks have always been small use options, with this in SWG it has become a game breaker for me and many other BH. Having Jedi constantly using Mind Tricks on us is like saying that ALL Bounty Hunters are weak minded ( I know i have left myself open for abuse from the Jedi trolls
So please DEV's, apply some common sense to this issue.MAny thx
Simple justification: Game balance. If you examine Jedi and BH templates a little closer, you will notice that every Jedi template and every BH template has weaknesses. This leads to a situation where not every BH template can take out every Jedi template, which is perfectly fine in terms of game balancing.
If your template is MBH / MRM, the Jedi counter to being kited is Force Cloak. You try to stay out of the Jedis range in order not to get hit, the Jedi uses his skills in order not to get hit. Force Cloak is a very effective counter to kiting.
MBH / MRM is pretty well suited to fight MLS / MDef / Heal 3000 / Enhance 0002 Jedi. Thats the fight where you have an advantage because of your range.
Nowhere is stated that every BH template is able to kill all Jedi templates. If you run into a Jedi template you cant kill - tough luck. Move on to your next mark. If you want to win against a Cloaker or Master Enhancer you need serious crowd control abilities which your template doesnt have.
Corvett
Wed Jul 27, 2005 2:57 pm
#26
Eskie wrote:
PapaLazarou10 wrote:
I would like to know how you can justify Jedi having invisibilty (Cloak) with seemingly no end?
In a few recent missions my mark has been able to Cloak, this is due mainly to the fact I'm a Rifleman, I cannot get within 20m fast enuff to prevent cloak.
I can accept cloak being part of their abilities, but not when they can run it indefinately. This ability should be on a short timer, for example 20 secs at a time, this is enuff time to break free from attack from the BH, and perhaps a 15 sec delay before reapplying it again.
In other SW related games that have Jedi content, Mind Tricks have always been small use options, with this in SWG it has become a game breaker for me and many other BH. Having Jedi constantly using Mind Tricks on us is like saying that ALL Bounty Hunters are weak minded ( I know i have left myself open for abuse from the Jedi trolls
So please DEV's, apply some common sense to this issue.
MAny thx
Simple justification: Game balance. If you examine Jedi and BH templates a little closer, you will notice that every Jedi template and every BH template has weaknesses. This leads to a situation where not every BH template can take out every Jedi template, which is perfectly fine in terms of game balancing.(Stop this. You are makeing sense and we will have none of that here.)
If your template is MBH / MRM, the Jedi counter to being kited is Force Cloak. You try to stay out of the Jedis range in order not to get hit, the Jedi uses his skills in order not to get hit. Force Cloak is a very effective counter to kiting.
MBH / MRM is pretty well suited to fight MLS / MDef / Heal 3000 / Enhance 0002 Jedi. Thats the fight where you have an advantage because of your range.(BH advantages are perfectly fine though. We just can't have anyone else haveing an advantage.)
Nowhere is stated that every BH template is able to kill all Jedi templates.(What? Thats news to the Bh community.)If you run into a Jedi template you cant kill - tough luck.(Don't you mean we come to the forums and cry for nerfs?)Move on to your next mark. If you want to win against a Cloaker or Master Enhancer you need serious crowd control abilities which your template doesnt have.(See now you are talking tactics for ceartain Jedi aBH's are supposed to be able to take out every template and if not we MUST have it nerfed.)