Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: FEEDBACK: Jedi Missions No Longer Showing Player Name, or Bounty Payout
ner0sputnik
Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:40 pm
#365
This one I'm not a fan of. I generally will target overt jedi. I really don't want to get a mission, go out, find my mark just to find that it's a friend of mine either. (How the hell did I get to know so many jedi.)
I understand that BHs shouldn't be so choosy as it's all for the money but I have many professions if I need money. I like the thrill of the hunt.
Also, why no bounty payout? That seems a little rediculous. I want to know what my compensation is going to be like when I track the bugger down. Why take it out? Doesn't seem to make sense.
Vlamr
Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:47 pm
#366
ner0sputnik wrote:This one I'm not a fan of. I generally will target overt jedi. I really don't want to get a mission, go out, find my mark just to find that it's a friend of mine either. (How the hell did I get to know so many jedi.)I understand that BHs shouldn't be so choosy as it's all for the money but I have many professions if I need money. I like the thrill of the hunt.Also, why no bounty payout? That seems a little rediculous. I want to know what my compensation is going to be like when I track the bugger down. Why take it out? Doesn't seem to make sense.
Your reason is the exact same reason I have. I have 6 jedi on my friends list already and I dont hunt them. 3 of them show on the terms very often and the other 3 arent so bad. Since I am on a small server I know for a fact that I will be assigned one of their missions with this new system and I wont figure out that its them until I reach them. If they are grinding out in the middle of nowhere I could have saved a bunch of time knowing there name during the mission at some point. Instead this is going to force me to waste 45 minutes or more just to come to the conclusion that it is someone I promised not to hunt... The devs didnt think this one through very much. I sometimes wonder if SOE has any QA people that even test the scenarios and problems that can occur from seat of your pants programming!
Aikes
Thu Jul 07, 2005 6:28 pm
#367
Its great for fair game play. Its great for the game. It sucks for BHs who take enjoyment in being griefers and taking the same person over and over and over and over again.
Hcaz
Thu Jul 07, 2005 6:52 pm
#368
I dont mind lower level Padawans names not showing on terms to protect them from the harsh world of bounty hunting. I mean they already grind almost 100% safe on kashyyyk anyways. But I do mind not being able to target high level jedi of my choosing. And I know tons of high level jedi who truly ENJOY being hunted. These changes will make it all but impossible to go after the big dogs of your choosing.
At a certain skill level Jedi names should be displayed. Protect the younglings but let the Knights have their PvP.
warrenbassist
Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:36 pm
#369
I like how names aren't shown, to keep people from griefing, but the big problem I see now is the week long debate of 1 BH not standing a chance to 1 Full Templated Jedi. Since it is next to impossible to group, worst case scenario (which is becoming more common as time goes on) a BH would come accross a full template Jedi and not stand a chance. Sure there are some factors that are arguable that the BH could win.
Realistically the BH could win if the Jedi has no clue what they are doing and unprepared, the DEVs aren'tfar off frommaking this system work, hopefully theyalready know, they need to do more to make 1 on 1 possible.
Message Edited by warrenbassist on 07-07-2005 10:39 PM
Ezedriel
Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:11 pm
#370
I can only say what's been said before.
It changes it from bounty hunting to paid PvPing, and it's a shot in the foot all in all.
You have Jedi and Bounty Hunters outcrying in unison against it.
It's a bad move, but it's a move that I do believe is unavoidable.
dracosmith
Thu Jul 07, 2005 10:09 pm
#371
Adding faction to the mission was a welcome change, as well as only displaying online jedi. However I can gaurantee that taking the names off the terminals is going to be disaster. There will be many jedi who log off and on repeatedly to frustrate hunters. Also there is the very obvious balance issue. The element of surprise doesvery littleto make up for the difference in power.
ClevtonRyles
Thu Jul 07, 2005 10:56 pm
#372
I'll be honest, I consider my self a Smuggler first (regardless of the fact that theres nothing to actually smuggle) anda BH second. Most of my guildmates and friends are BH's as well, and as this profession offers some of the most dynamic content, ie, hunting real players... well, this proposed change is indeed a game breaking nerf.
For most of the 680 days my /getv says I have played, I have been using this template. I don't post often here, I'm more of a lurker... but I'll say this, after 2 years of being promised a revamp in smuggler, and all the sequential nerfs of the few skills I had that were actually effective in pvp, if and when they do implement this re-tard-ed publish I'll just cancel my accounts and move on to something else.
Devs need to stop /kowtow ing to Jeedai whining. It's becomming more disgusting by the day.
SkoomaStalone
Thu Jul 07, 2005 11:00 pm
#374
Something I will never understand with the Devs is that when making gameplay changes, it is always a change to one extreme or the other and it usually never makes sense. Showing faction and only online Jedi, excellent changes. Removing names and ways to determine level, completely ridiculous. Come on Devs, get off the Jedi's "sabers." ; P
Everyone for the jedi complain about griefing and such. Seriously, suck it up you jedi lamers. You knew that you were risking being hunted when you became a jedi, so you accepted the risks. If someone is harrassing you via text, just /addignore them. Problem solved. In fairness however, allow BHs to attack the same jedi once only once a week or so. Establish a timer so that a jedi cannot be repeatedly attacked by the same BH in a short amount of time. Also reduce the amount of xp a jedi loses so it isnt devastating to a low level padawan.
Grouping should be allowed for BHs, but then allow those in a group/guild with a jedi to attack the BH if they want to protect their jedi friend. That would give a new edge and be more realistic. Prevent jedi from swimming or going indoors during a bounty fight. Allow BHs to attack any vehicle that a jedi is riding in or driving.
The current system is fine, it just needs a few new additions, not changes.
Kaldran
Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:22 am
#375
I gotta admit that when I first read the tentative Pub 20 notes, my reaction was that it was gonna be gamebreaking. I've now thought them over for a bit and these are my conclusions: Having all payout the same is just stupid. Payout based on vis accumulated instead of CL actually makes 'logical' sense. The more a jedi is seen waving his/her lightsaber about, the more the bounty goes up. Taking names off the terms is OK, as long as the following is true: Faction given on terms, only online jedi are shown, we get the name BEFORE we get to the droid WP (otherwise how do we know who to tgt in a busy city, or a large hunting group).
The only BIG problem for me is the forced 1v1. That means full temp jedi basically have no challenge left, and will only be killed if they are akf, or BH manages to hit them when they have just used all their force.
So, perhaps the devs should look at some way of allowing BH to still group. Maybe once enough vis has been gained to push the bounty over a certain lvl, the jedi becomes notorious enough to have the name on the term, allowing a BH group to hunt them? Perhaps have them named specifically by Vader or Rebel command or something. This would be a further deterent to gaining vis, which would hopefully keep jedi more hidden than they are at the mo.
Could this work?
Message Edited by Kaldran on 07-08-2005 11:09 AM
ZeigBalthazar
Fri Jul 08, 2005 4:43 am
#376
I think the changes are great. Reason being believe it or not if a jedi is on the terms he will be hunted. I think most are crying now but once the system get's in place it will be deadly for those jedi that wish to be on the terms. For instance I've been told my mission once appeared on the same page 3 times. Now think about that if a jedi has to fight a bh and wins then just as he finishes another shows up and takes a whack then another. Visibility will have a conequence.
Full templated jedi will no longer be safe to go after high level mobs without looking over their backs. Try taking on a Krayt and have a bh show up and start unloading on you.
Right now most +200k Jedi run around with impunity and a little to loose.
It think it would serve most BH's well to take a wait and see approach. I think the hardcore BH's over time will enjoy it more than most think right now. Also if you kill a low level pady now they won't have a single thing to cry about because they got theirselves on the terms.
This new mission layout will do several other things.
1. add some risk to being a BH and not be able to pull only missions that a BH know's they can win.
2. Enable people to hunt a single faction or all.
3. If a jedi is on the terms they WILL be hunted. Right now Jedi over 200k are rarely hunted.
4. Group vis going away. Personally I don't like it but low level padawan's will be come incredibly cocky and do stupid things that WILL get them on the terms.
I think over time the BH's will adept and become even more lethal with these changes. I'm a jedi and while these changes on the surface seem great for jedi I think jedi are in more trouble than they realize.
LGandalf
Fri Jul 08, 2005 4:50 am
#377
MasterARP wrote:
If this goes live we must have element of surprise---therefore
PLEASE FIX THE /DUEL EXPLOIT JEDI USE TO DETERMINE IF WE HAVE THIER MISSION before Pub20 goes live
Sure, but only if they fix the /addfriend exploit bh use to check if jedi ar on-line.