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Thread: Bounty Hunters... what can Dev do Right Now??

GrimesAAOO
Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:21 pm
#339

If you read what JustG said after every thing... he said things like... wait for the CB "which you wont..."

Hehe he sounds tired of our whinning...




[b]Metre Rhodota[/b] - [i]Imperial[/i]
Bria
Master Pistoleer, Master Bounty Hunter, Medic xx1x
Sifa_Dias
Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:22 pm
#340






WILDMAN_SOLO wrote:





Sifa_Dias wrote:

If the devs decide not to do this because we, the BH community, cried so loud not for this to happen, we had better not say anything untill after the CB and any future BH revamp. Why? because we want anything but what they give us.

No its not a case of we dont want anythign but whatthey want to give us, its a case of we want the right thing which is to "actually revamp" our profession and lot let rank file into it to controll jedi population because they creewed up by removing the TEF when they pull a sabre out. Reduction inthe pre reqs doesn't fix us, it just lets other more capable profs do our jobs for us, effectively making us redundant


I don't care if it is because they made a mistake or not, all I care about is being usefull and fun again, I am sorry, but MBH is not fun now, without this change it will continue to not be fun.


Be realistic here, this change is one they can make now, allot of the other things everyone wants aren't going to happen anytime soon. To make MBH useful in its current state is beyond what can be done here over the next 2 days, or 2 weeks or 2 months. They are way too busy with everything else right now, we either take what we get (and this isn't a bad thing we are getting) or we get nothing. If this game has taught us anything it should be not asking ourselves to be nerfed or better yet, stay nerfed, there are plenty of others to do that for us. And if you guys think that everyone will yell nerf BH they are too powerfull, what Specials do we really have that are so great? Those days have come and gone, we have no uber specials, even with using another profession.


If we take this now its game over over for BH everywhere. If we take this now we will NOT get any meaningful fixes to BH profession. Being a MBH will still be useless. The only thing we will get is another series of nerfs. Do you actually remember why our specials were nerfed in the 1st place ? they were nerfed because of dabblers taking select lines out of BH profession so the devs nerfed them hard to stop this from happening. All thats happening now is other more powerfull combat profs are gonna get to dabble in our lines again and this time the nerf will be even harder.

So what you are saying is you would rather not have anything now and wait for that magical revamp we may never get? They have not slated for us to be revamped...which in my mind tells me it will happen a long, long long time from now. If we were being retooled in a month or 2, that would be one thing, but what we are asking for will not happen anytime soon if ever, I would rather have something now than 7 months from now.


Our specials are already weak, what possibly could they nerf? What if I take TKA up, how can they nerf BH specials if I am unarmed? Everything is going to be nerfed when the CB comes about, everything is to be in its place, this will atleast allow us to hold our own until then.














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TechBoss
Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:22 pm
#341






hatemphd wrote:


alot of you people sound like morons on the ranger Jedi forums


if you didnt "earn" it...blah, blah.

it should be hard...blah, blah


i think most of the negitive complaints stem from the fact that BH wont seem as special to the people who mastered it already. Everyone else in the game will like it, and everyone will try BHnow. (sounds a lot like the Jedi forum too)


The more BHs running around, the more the Devs will fix the other major problems with this profession

This game is about dabbling.

ALL BH's dabble already. (so true)


The cost was WAY too high to be a BH before, most of you guys became a BH for the cool factor.


hell, i was grinding survival and traps for BH and i hated every moment.


Master Scout and Master Marksman are a joke to grind. The hardest part of Bounty Hunter is grinding investigation, which isn't hard, just boring beyond all reason. There is a justifiable reason to make Jedi missions BH only, but I think there is a post, from the devs, stating that it is not feasible to put Jedi missions in the master box.





The posts against this change are written in the EXACT SAME STYLE as the Jedi complaints about patch 9.



  • "The change takes away from the value of the profession"

  • "People shouldn't be able to dabble in our profession"

  • "Fix our current setup, the new system will be a huge nerf"

  • "Grinding the profession should be hard and rewarding"

Guess what, the game is about skills when it comes down to it. Each profession carries certian skills that people can choose to acquire or pass over. The character you play is not a class, but a conglomeration (sp?) skills that results in their overall effectiveness. Hunting, trapping and surival do not benefit a combat class in anyway. Placing a ton of skill mods in the master box results in top heavy profession that is heavily effected by the remaining skill points. I welcome the change as it will open up new avenues for profession and allow the diversity that should have been in the profession to start with.





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GrimesAAOO
Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:24 pm
#342

This "fix" is a slap in the face.... the devs are taking the easy way out YET AGAIN!

This is pissing me off... now that we can dabble... they wont fix the profession at all...

PLEASE DEVS DONT DO THIS TO US!!!

I hope the rest of you Bounty Hunters can see where this "fix" is leading us too... you will regret this fix in the future..

I am now ever closer to the cancel button for the fact the devs ignore our fixes and just give us a crap excuse of a fix...

I will repost when im not so pissed off...



[b]Metre Rhodota[/b] - [i]Imperial[/i]
Bria
Master Pistoleer, Master Bounty Hunter, Medic xx1x
gngbng
Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:25 pm
#343






CyberData4 wrote:

JustG, you need to listen to this. To all of us, we are the players. We are the ones who play this game day and night. We are the ones who pay money usually for more than one account to immerse ourselves in your game.


Since you created this thread, I really hope you take the time to respond to the players within and comment on their feedback. Anyways, onto my comment.


First off, I applaud you for at least doing this. I know it's far from what we all want the BH profession to be, but it is a start and we are grateful. Now, with that being said I simply don't understand that if you guys had time to do braindstorm and implement this on test center.....why can't you go a step further? What is a step further? Well, here is my idea


"Bounty Only attacks"


These would be attacks that can only be used against a players "mark." They can't be used anywhere else. Not in PvE, or PvP. These would be overwhelmingly devistating attacks that would easily give a Master Bounty Hunter the ability to take out their bounties. We aren't suppose to be PvP or PvE gods. We should be mediocre in that. But the ONE thing we should excell at more than any other profession is the systematic extermination of our bounty. THAT is what we are. THAT is what we are about.


If anyone can find a flaw in giving bounty hunters very powerful, "bounty only" Please let me know. I'd really like the devs to make us good at what we are suppose to be good at.


Oh, and fix our tracking ability. If the system honestly can't do it then we deserve to know. Not o be told "Meh, we'll get to it later."




Seems like a fun idea, not sure if they could open the profession up like they did Jedi and require you to "specialize" for certain BH attacks. I only see one problem. BH SHOULD be good at PvP, since the end game of this profession seems to be hunting player Jedi. That involves PvP. lol I really would love to see them revamp this profession, to require people to spend all their skillpoints in marksman, then into multiple lines of BH, just like they've done with Jedi. It would keep BH from template stacking, and open the profession up to some "customization" so that every BH was not the same. Will they do it? I hope so!!




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1000thghost
Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:26 pm
#344

Yet another development decision made on the fly.



Xymox Morningstar
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wopppp
Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:27 pm
#345

totally ridiculous move , just because you don't have time to think about something better.

Let me tell you why

90% of the bh will now be INV 3 and TKM or Fencer as only them can take jedis 1vs1.


So basically what happenned ? you killed the bh prof.

But am sure all my bh friends will clap clap, mbh are still weak, this is THIS you should have change ...


really sometimes i wish u could work 24h a day and not giving us this .. "things"
SuperTurbo
Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:36 pm
#346

Many of you are ignoring that this is a temporary fix.


They still plan on doing other stuff to fix the profession. As a Commando, I can't wait for Friday. What the Dev's have basically done is open the flood gates to BH for many people. I plan to pick up the LLC tree to compliment my current heavy weapon trees.


Good job Devs! It's like Chrismas in June.



SuperTurbo, DO
Master Commando, LLC Specialist, TK defense artist.
gngbng
Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:38 pm
#347

Just a question. What is your vision of what a BH "should" be? Is it what you think Boba Fett was in the movies? I really think this is what's pissing people off. They have a vision for what they think the profession should be and the Dev's have another. Imo, a BH should have multiple skills in which to take down their mark, and none of them include Scout. **edit** does camping, trapping, etc have to do with taking down a mark for crying out loud. Nothing, which is why they should've never made scout a requirement in the first place. They are fixing a problem with this profession that's been there from the beginning. For months people have complained that BH had 0 defense and used too many skill points for what they are getting. Now the dev's remove the skill point obligation, give people the ability to add defense and some offense to the class and people are pissed off. Now wonder JustG sounded tired. I'd be tired of hearing you all cry day in and day out too.



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Sifa_Dias
Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:39 pm
#348






gngbng wrote:

Just a question. What is your vision of what a BH "should" be? Is it what you think Boba Fett was in the movies? I really think this is what's pissing people off. They have a vision for what they think the profession should be and the Dev's have another. Imo, a BH should have multiple skills in which to take down their mark, and none of them include Scout. **edit** does camping, trapping, etc have to do with taking down a mark for crying out loud. Nothing, which is why they should've never made scout a requirement in the first place. They are fixing a problem with this profession that's been there from the beginning. For months people have complained that BH had 0 defense and used too many skill points for what they are getting. Now the dev's remove the skill point obligation, give people the ability to add defense and some offense to the class and people are pissed off. Now wonder JustG sounded tired. I'd be tired of hearing you all cry day in and day out too.






amen brother



...when the poison hits your bloodstream, you will start seeing what I can only describe as the most extraordinary display of blue objects...
Husscow
Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:41 pm
#349

its a start but we need criminal faction to cash in on the gcw
wopppp
Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:42 pm
#350

boba fett or not

all jedi hunters will be melee prof , you will see

u think boba fett is the grand son of bruce lee do you ?


sure some deranged bh will come with other templates, the FOTM for bh will be INV 3 TKM and some medic. amen brother.
MameArcad
Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:47 pm
#351

PLEASE DO NOT PATCH TO 169 SKILL POINTS FOR MASTER, MAKE IT 217 AND WORTH IT!


My suggestions:


Investigation:

Fix the current bugs with Jedi Missions. I know you're working hard on that one.

-Give the possibility to bounty hunter to have multiple contracts(2-4) at once AND/OR give more experience/bigger reward.

-Makethe rewards higher forhard planets(Endor, Dantooine, Lok, Yavin IV).


Carbine:

-Bring back Fire Knockdown fire dot.

-Add new carbines, only Nym's Slug gun was added, which is weaker than a DXR6 carbine. A stun carbine would be useful(Though stupid, because the whole armor system needs to be changed and will probably be changed in P11), new cool looted schematic from dungeons.

Change Underhand Shot, Confuse Shot and Spray Shotwith entirely new/ORIGINAL abilities. Remove Underhand Shot, it becomes unuseful when we reach Carbine Specialization III. Confuse Shot is unuseful, Full Auto Single 1 and Spray Shot do the same effect. Spray Shot is not very useful either, Confuse Shot has a higher chance to dizzy, and it has the same effects has Full Auto Single 1-2.

-Add a high damage special.


Pistol:

Add double pistols, one in each hands, like Jango Fett.

-Give BH the certifications to some of the new pistols.

-The other specials need to be revised and changed. Fast Blast is not worth getting mastered. Eye shot seems to be the only shot really worth using.


LLC:

Remove the light lightning cannon tree from the profession.

Replace the tree with a new concept like special weapons/skills/charged weapons like nets, force draining weapons, blinding grenades. Not with rifles please, we're good with pistols/eye shot for the mind. Suggestions links : http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=bounty_hunter&message.id=15396&highlight=replace+llc#M15396

Misc:

►Add lightsaber damage resist to Mandalorian Armor/Bounty Hunter armor, even a small resist would make the armor worthful, not like it is at the moment. We don't want a decoration, we want a real armor. It would also give a little more chance to BH vs Jedis.


►Bring back permadeath for jedisIN PVP ONLY! Give them like 5 chance, then permadeath. This would help controling the population. Everyone loved hardcored in Diablo II .

-Bring back good bleedings but make them disappear if the one that applied them is 60m+ away from the bleeder, same thing for DOTs.

-Add new Bounty Hunter only items worth getting BH for like BH only vehicules, tools, etc.

►There should definately be a Hutt Faction and I'm sure everyone would agree to add it to the game and alot of people would go in it.


LEGEND:

Red means probably hard to get implemented.

Yellow means probably not very hard but requires some time.

Green means probably easy to do.

The ► mean things me and alot of people i think would really appreciate.


ALSO, PLEASE DO NOT FOCUS ON ONE OR 2 PROFESSIONS,MANY OTHER PROFESSIONS NEED ALOT OF WORK JUST LIKE BH!


Thanks for your help in advance!



Oar Busao, Bloodfin. Ex-master: Artisan, architect, scout, medic, doctor, scout, carbineer. Soon to be BH 0040, Master Pisto.
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