Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: Regarding House-Jedi (Updated 10/14)
.Now as you can see, any references to "what would happen in real life" have no standing in a game such as this. Certain real life comparisons need to be discarded in order to accomodate the nature, concepts, issues and limitations that a game brings to the table.
2. Everything except crafting and killing non humanoid creatures from city mission terminals generate visibility. Thats an extremely limited scope of content if a Jedi should want to stay off the terminals. So any argument about "you got on the terminals so deal with it" won't fly I'm afraid. If staying off the terminals should be a way of playing, then Jedi need things to do that are fun, exciting and don't generate visibility - which currently is impossible.
3. You are not dealing with NPC's here. These are other players and as such, certain limitations need to be in effect in order to deliver what can be considered a fair and fun game experience for those people.
Message Edited by da-bro on 10-15-2005 01:30 PM
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Since i was qouted I feel the need to answer this 
As to point #1 you are very right that this is not Real Life this would be the choice you made with in the Star Wars Universe and as such should still fall under the physics and laws of the "Star Wars" Universe. As far as kicking the door down i would say that would not be with in the scope of what a Bounty Hunter would be able to do. THough maybe if he/she were to come across a jedi in a house maybe they could alert the authorities and get a search warrant. ANd yes the emperor can fry you 
biwan: just take a visit to a certain basement to find out.
Point # 2 you worry about the content for a "Jedi" if they were to want to stay off the terminals is limited(only by your imagination). In the days of the old republic the Jedi were free to be open with there powers but not advised to exploit them, but when the Empire took control those days ended with the council. Even Obi-Wan felt the need to not use his powers and stay on a remote planet to avoid being detected.
Point #3 We all know that this is not about the NPC's as much as it is about Players who are dedicated to complete their mission and trying to Retain some honor in their chosen profession. Whether you feel it's legal or not; someone felt you were breaking the laws and they sent a Bounty hunter to try and take care of you. IF you Don't like PVP or risking being attacked because you are special then why choose that path? There are many different paths we can all go down it's just that some are more risky then others.
As a Final note I do intend on taking the Path of the Jedi
and when i do i will face the exp hits and frustration that can go with it with the knowledge of knowing that I earned it. ReSpecs aside alot of us went down the path of Bounty Hunting to have fun and make our galaxies a better place. When you create a macro to keep you afk for hours on end you are curcumventing a mechanic that is meant to log you out placing you in a void where you are nither attacked nor serving any legitimate purpose. "Do or Do not. there is no try"
JudgeGrey Phoenix
Master Bounty Hunter/Master Rifleman
The sad part is this thread is still going. But I guess im gonna chime in for the he11 of it.
BH whine because a mark is in the house. OK, its frustrating, god knows ive encountered this a time or too. Know what I did. I did 1 of 2 things, I either waited the jedi out or I dropped the mission and moved on. Its a game guys, and forcing 1 player base to do something just so another player base can have content in inexcusable. We as BH have no right to dictate how another professions plays. If they wish to sit in there house all day long, so be it, they paid their 14.99 and as such their right to play their Game as they see fit.
Notice the highlighted words people. ITs their character and as such their right to do asthey see fit. Its not griefing when they use a legitimate allowed ability within the game. House sitting has been around since the inception of this game as a way to be safe while we do things in a place called the real world. If some of you can not grasp this concept, maybe swg isnt the game for you.
freedomwarrior wrote:
If they wish to sit in there house all day long, so be it, they paid their 14.99 and as such their right to play their Game as they see fit.
Notice the highlighted words people. ITs their character and as such their right to do asthey see fit. Its not griefing when they use a legitimate allowed ability within the game. House sitting has been around since the inception of this game as a way to be safe while we do things in a place called the real world. If some of you can not grasp this concept, maybe swg isnt the game for you.
It may be a something that is allowed becasue of the mechanics of the game, but it's a safe bet that it's against the intention of that mechanic.
No one has a problem with ppl off to do RL stuff, but if it's something that going to take a long time, why stay logged on? Less people logged on afk would also help the lag issue a little, and every little helps.
They paid their subscription sure, but by that logicwhy is it okay for BHs to have their time wasted by Jedi who house sit afk all day?
DathylBran wrote:
freedomwarrior wrote:
If they wish to sit in there house all day long, so be it, they paid their 14.99 and as such their right to play their Game as they see fit.
Notice the highlighted words people. ITs their character and as such their right to do asthey see fit. Its not griefing when they use a legitimate allowed ability within the game. House sitting has been around since the inception of this game as a way to be safe while we do things in a place called the real world. If some of you can not grasp this concept, maybe swg isnt the game for you.
It may be a something that is allowed becasue of the mechanics of the game, but it's a safe bet that it's against the intention of that mechanic.
No one has a problem with ppl off to do RL stuff, but if it's something that going to take a long time, why stay logged on? Less people logged on afk would also help the lag issue a little, and every little helps.
They paid their subscription sure, but by that logicwhy is it okay for BHs to have their time wasted by Jedi who house sit afk all day?
And here we go back to the same self argument. We waste their time, so they waste ours. Get a grip mate. If you cant handle it, respec to another profession and be happy. No one forced you or I to hunt them. So in the end, if they are in the house, oh well. If your after credits, then do the regular missions, the payouts are quite decent. If your after PvP, then go overt. To me it sounds like youargue just a lil much andmight beone of those bh who likes to ruin others play time by causing them the xp lose.
IF you are the latter then all I can say is grow up, because your giving the rest of us a bad name.
The timer could be a good one.. And i really like that you are thikning of ideas that both sides could be happy with.
DathylBran wrote:
freedomwarrior wrote:
And here we go back to the same self argument. We waste their time, so they waste ours. Get a grip mate. If you cant handle it, respec to another profession and be happy. No one forced you or I to hunt them. So in the end, if they are in the house, oh well. If your after credits, then do the regular missions, the payouts are quite decent. If your after PvP, then go overt. To me it sounds like youargue just a lil much andmight beone of those bh who likes to ruin others play time by causing them the xp lose.
IF you are the latter then all I can say is grow up, because your giving the rest of us a bad name.
Of course it's the 'self same argument' you idiot, because there is absolutely no reason for long term AFK house sitting, which is the issue. The minute someone comes up with a valid reason for all day afk-ing in a house, doing nothing at all, then Iwill accept it.
Why is it whenever peoples opinions are challenged on these boards the most common reply ' change your profession'? I can only assume it's simply that the people replying with this don't actually have the intellectual depth to carry a discussion, ie pros and cons of an argument,or daddy hasn't noticed where the credit card charges are going.
freedomwarrior wrote:
Its called barker droids. They only operate when your online. SO hence the all day online macro. There, end of story. Granted most jedi dont use barker droids, by my merchant does quite often. Nuff said move along sonny.
Right, so *your* specific interest is in the fact that *your* merchant would have a problem in that your barker droid doesn't work, (a fair point) if recursive macros were removed. As this is supposed to be a discussion about Jedi afk house sitting it's kinda selfish don't ya think?
Unfortunately for your argument that afkmerchant is indeed highly unlikely to be a Jedi as they are generally too busy fulling their temps with skills that will assist their combat roles. It would be a pain for 'merchant' Jedi, (I certainly don't know any) but for every one of them how many BHs time is wasted? How much extra lag is added to the game? How much extra spam does the MO have to deal with?
You argument is self motivated, end of story, laddy.
And your argument isnt?Your main complaint is that a jedi is afk andyou cant do your missions. Thatseems to be about you ifI might say so. And you seem to want tomake another professions job harder justtosooth your need to cause another player grief. You asked for a specific specification to why afk macroing is there and it was given. And believe it ornot, but some jedi do have barkers going. IT all boils back to the me complex and you got it bad. Get another profession dude, your taking the game way to serious.
DathylBran wrote:
freedomwarrior wrote:
Its called barker droids. They only operate when your online. SO hence the all day online macro. There, end of story. Granted most jedi dont use barker droids, by my merchant does quite often. Nuff said move along sonny.
Right, so *your* specific interest is in the fact that *your* merchant would have a problem in that your barker droid doesn't work, (a fair point) if recursive macros were removed. As this is supposed to be a discussion about Jedi afk house sitting it's kinda selfish don't ya think?
Unfortunately for your argument that afkmerchant is indeed highly unlikely to be a Jedi as they are generally too busy fulling their temps with skills that will assist their combat roles. It would be a pain for 'merchant' Jedi, (I certainly don't know any) but for every one of them how many BHs time is wasted? How much extra lag is added to the game? How much extra spam does the MO have to deal with?
You argument is self motivated, end of story, laddy.
freedomwarrior wrote:
And your argument isnt?Your main complaint is that a jedi is afk andyou cant do your missions. Thatseems to be about you ifI might say so. And you seem to want tomake another professions job harder justtosooth your need to cause another player grief. You asked for a specific specification to why afk macroing is there and it was given. And believe it ornot, but some jedi do have barkers going. IT all boils back to the me complex and you got it bad. Get another profession dude, your taking the game way to serious.
You argument is self motivated, end of story, laddy.
Actually, no, it's not about *me*. I have watched afk Jedi many times, some come back, some don't. It's a pain but that's how it goes.I would simply like to see the back of recursive macros, the AFK issue affects the whole game and creates lag in places like the MO. When it comes to barkers, who needs them? If we want something we have vendor search. Spare the lag for other players and don't bother with it.
What are you on saying I'm trying to cause another player grief? Because you've got a merchant and you don't like the idea of something that might make things harder for you, even though the benefits may outweigh the drawbacks? The irony in this is quite amusing, please do go on.
I've got the *Me* complex? Pot - kettle - black.