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Thread: FEEDBACK: Jedi Missions No Longer Showing Player Name, or Bounty Payout
This is the absolute funniest thread I've ever seen in my life.
1) You say this isn't RP. Do you really think that a person hiring you to kill a Jedi is going to tell you ahead of time whether the jedi is a brand new padawan or a full template? Where's the RP there? You're told to go kill someone, you're given the means to track them, and once you identify them WITH THE BIOSIG you kill him. That's RP people. ROLEPLAY YOUR BH.
2) You say this is going to kill the BH profession because you can't avoid hunting low level padawans. BS, you're just pissed because you can't specifically target them anymore. I've had 2 BH come for me since I hit the 150k mark. 2!!! Before I hit the 100k mark I got hit by at least 3 BH an HOUR. This isn't about avoiding low level padawans, it's about full out targeting them. Grow some balls and hunt the whole spectrum. There are at least 30 Full template Jedi on my server who are giddy every time they see a BH because they HOPE IT'S FOR THEM. They are ALWAYS disappointed because the BH is ALWAYS for some 40k padawan they are trying to help level.
3) This is game breaking.... What?? Seriously, how the heck is it going to break the game? It does nothing to deter you from hunting Jedi, it just stops you from picking up the mission with your 3-4 best friends and ganking some 60k Padawan once an hour. The only thing this change stops is griefing, and as far as I'm concerned... GOOD RIDDENCE.
4) The GCW... Seriously, this was the dumbest idea ever to grace the game. It's because of the GCW that we hear all the cries for nerfs on every profession in the game. First it was Rifleman/CM, then it was TKM, then it was Smuggler, and now it seems that no one can get their rocks off without crying for a Jedi nerf. If they just removed the whole GCW garbage from the game we might actually achieve a balance in professions, but because it's still here it's used as the basis for every single nerf cry. That being said, I can't see how it really effects the GCW. Sure, you can't go out and pick up a mission on a Jedi who you see fighting single handedly against 4 people of the opposing faction in the middle of theed, but come on, is it really bounty hunting if all you do is wait for the mark to get incapped and run up and say "let me db so he loses exp"? Give me a break.
5) People crying about how they will leave the game. Goodbye. We don't need you here anyway. I noticed you were all happy as schoolgirls when you saw all the changes to Jedi in Patch 19 that nerfed the crap out of skills you had used on you every day. I noticed you were overjoyed when you saw that Jedi were getting a mind cost on heals and that CM/Doc were getting more powerful heals with less mind cost. I noticed you were all for it when the profession you are attacking on a day to day basis got weaker while your template got stronger, but you see them taking names off the terminals and everyone needs a pacifier now. The crying is incredible. Seriously, it's not nerfing your profession. You can still kill Jedi without much trouble. You can still hunt Jedi down without much trouble. I'm sorry if you have to actually do some work on Kashyyk. I'm sorry if you have to spend the 5 minutes to actually go down each of the 6 instances to find your mark. Cry me a river, will you? Good god, you sound like someone is about to cut off your arms and ask you to swim the Atlantic Ocean.
Message Edited by SimianSavior on 07-06-2005 04:34 AM
MirkCross wrote:
This is totally ridiculous. So I don't know the jedi, or payout and my marks on kash, but it doesn't even matter if i did recon of the trails earlier, cuase i gotta go through them again for every possible mark. after going through all the trails i find my mark and it's a knight. After a ridiculously long battle he runs low on force and hides in the safezone glitch to regenerate while my foods and buffs run out. The he comes out and slaps me upside the head with his flashlight and I'm dead.
Yeah sounds like fun... time to quit and move onto wow like everyone else.
Seems like SOE just wants to keep digging the hole deeper and deeper
Okiv wrote:
This is absolutely rediculous.
The Dev team need to manipulate the marriage system so a master and apprentice can grind with each other without getting viz. The grind will be longer, but IT SHOULD BE.
This is once again the Devs way of copping out and breaking another part of the game instead of fixing Jedi vizibility so that they can grind. I think they realise that the above system can't be abused and would make Jedi actually have to earn their stripes and thats reason enough for them to not do it.
I know that if this system goes through there are a great many bounty hunters who will simply quit. I am one of these bounty hunters. Before any Jedi reply with "you're the kind of bounty hunter we want to quit" : I hunt paddies, not exclusively. I also group hunt the masters, not exclusively. I do not grief Jedi or hate them, this is a game - one which I play for fun.
GRIEFING OF JEDI CANNOT HAPPEN.
If a Jedi gets on the BH terminals, they're fair game. This was emailed to a BH by a dev and posted up on the forums by said BH. This system is working correctly. Instead of breaking this system, actually put some effort in - fix the system that is brokenand give us our moneys worth by making the master / apprentice system and bring back the TEF.
This would mean that Jedi grind together in pairs and have no excuse for getting viz. This would solve as much Jedi/BH hatred as can be solved because no one would have an excuse for the viz.
I am absolutely disgusted with the fact that this could even be considered by the developement team. Its bad enough that a full publish and about 4 or 5 hotfixes go by and the LoS issue hasn't even been addressed let alone fixed, but now they plan on breaking another system that works instead of getting their heads together and fixing a system which has been paid for 10 times over by everyone who has subscribed for more than a month and has been broken since the beginning of time.
Bounty Hunter was a welcome retreat from the lag and Jedi domination of theGCW and the fact that you need Jedi to do almost EVERY dungeon now. It sickens me that even this side of the game is being altered simply because the Devs cannot fix the problems they've already got with the Jedi Vizibility that have been there since time began.
I don't normally let my posts get this heated but I enjoy this game as it is. The concept is the best I've ever heard of for an MMO and the fact that its being ruined even for avid starwars fans who would play the game regardless of implementation is evidence enough that something has to give.
Have one more publish aimed at the Jedi. In this publish:
- fix the LoS exploiting on kash (I don't care how, disable xp, fix every LoS area, but actually do something for our money)
- fix the Jedi Viz system by altering the marriage system. One master, One apprentice. Neither can give the other viz and the master can 'watch over' the apprentice whilst he/she has to grind.
After this publish, go back to fixing the game you're intent on breaking by sorting out other profs rendered useless by the CU, and by giving content to OTHER PROFFESSIONS than BH and Jedi.
I love SWG. I remember trying to grind BH back on Briaduring the Hologrind. Back when trapping exp, meant actually trapping exp, and Survival was actually Camping exp. I was a loner and was half way through Invest 3 before I even learned what doc buffs were (A Long Freakin Time Trying To Make It). But if these changes make it, I will definately cancell my accounts. I wanted to play in a Star Wars Universe....I didnt want to play in a Jedi Universe. For some reason SOE wants to increase the Jedi population, but I dont see why.
Imagine a universe where everyone was TKM/Doc...do they need armor? Nope. Do they need healing?...nope. Battle Fatigue healing? Sure...but the alt can take care of that.
The point is that all the new players to SWG want to play a Jedi, wich is fine. It is thier right as individuals. But with the ease of obtaining Jedi, along with all the bugs, and exploits, and that Jedi Factory Kashyyk, PLUS these new proposed changes,it will only be a matter of time before Jedi will rule the servers by sheer numbers, and thier alts will only be there to support the Jedi cause.
SimianSavior wrote:
This is the absolute funniest thread I've ever seen in my life.
1) You say this isn't RP. Do you really think that a person hiring you to kill a Jedi is going to tell you ahead of time whether the jedi is a brand new padawan or a full template? Where's the RP there? You're told to go kill someone, you're given the means to track them, and once you identify them WITH THE BIOSIG you kill him. That's RP people. ROLEPLAY YOUR BH.
Ok - are all of the 3872872378462384 Jedi grinding in the same place on the Ryatt Trail ROLEPLAYING? Explain how.
2) You say this is going to kill the BH profession because you can't avoid hunting low level padawans. BS, you're just pissed because you can't specifically target them anymore. I've had 2 BH come for me since I hit the 150k mark. 2!!! Before I hit the 100k mark I got hit by at least 3 BH an HOUR. This isn't about avoiding low level padawans, it's about full out targeting them. Grow some balls and hunt the whole spectrum. There are at least 30 Full template Jedi on my server who are giddy every time they see a BH because they HOPE IT'S FOR THEM. They are ALWAYS disappointed because the BH is ALWAYS for some 40k padawan they are trying to help level.
Full temps know they will more than likely wipe the floor with a BH 1 vs 1. Hell, I would get excited at the prospect of a 70+% chance of winning every time.
Respec BHs look for easy marks as they have little/no experience in hunting. Moving Jedi missions to Master will sort that out. I don't take anything less than 150k unless there's nothing else online.
3) This is game breaking.... What?? Seriously, how the heck is it going to break the game? It does nothing to deter you from hunting Jedi, it just stops you from picking up the mission with your 3-4 best friends and ganking some 60k Padawan once an hour. The only thing this change stops is griefing, and as far as I'm concerned... GOOD RIDDENCE.
Say I get the same mission twice ina row- through no fault of my own. Say it's a 40k paddy. Will I get hate tells and get reported for griefing? Yep.
4) The GCW... Seriously, this was the dumbest idea ever to grace the game. It's because of the GCW that we hear all the cries for nerfs on every profession in the game. First it was Rifleman/CM, then it was TKM, then it was Smuggler, and now it seems that no one can get their rocks off without crying for a Jedi nerf. If they just removed the whole GCW garbage from the game we might actually achieve a balance in professions, but because it's still here it's used as the basis for every single nerf cry. That being said, I can't see how it really effects the GCW. Sure, you can't go out and pick up a mission on a Jedi who you see fighting single handedly against 4 people of the opposing faction in the middle of theed, but come on, is it really bounty hunting if all you do is wait for the mark to get incapped and run up and say "let me db so he loses exp"? Give me a break.
The game is supposed to be about the 'GCW garbage' I think people are actually upset that the GCW should be soldier vs soldier - not Jedi vs Jedi. I don't know if you are aware, but this isn't Jedi Knight
nline.
5) People crying about how they will leave the game. Goodbye. We don't need you here anyway. I noticed you were all happy as schoolgirls when you saw all the changes to Jedi in Patch 19 that nerfed the crap out of skills you had used on you every day. I noticed you were overjoyed when you saw that Jedi were getting a mind cost on heals and that CM/Doc were getting more powerful heals with less mind cost. I noticed you were all for it when the profession you are attacking on a day to day basis got weaker while your template got stronger, but you see them taking names off the terminals and everyone needs a pacifier now. The crying is incredible. Seriously, it's not nerfing your profession. You can still kill Jedi without much trouble. You can still hunt Jedi down without much trouble. I'm sorry if you have to actually do some work on Kashyyk. I'm sorry if you have to spend the 5 minutes to actually go down each of the 6 instances to find your mark. Cry me a river, will you? Good god, you sound like someone is about to cut off your arms and ask you to swim the Atlantic Ocean.
Erm. I haven't noticed Jedi being weaker or nerfed since pub 19. I hunted a Jedi who specifically logged on after 19 so someone would get his mission. After he won he said 'phew, I haven't been nerfed at all'. Explain how a Jedi is weaker after pub 19. It cracks me up that any change to jedi is immediately heralded as a major nerf.
'You can still kill Jedi without much trouble??????
Message Edited by SimianSavior on 07-06-2005 04:34 AM
Message Edited by Vigorin on 07-06-2005 01:54 AM
Hav0c wrote:
SimianSavior wrote:
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Ok - are all of the 3872872378462384 Jedi grinding in the same place on the Ryatt Trail ROLEPLAYING? Explain how.
I'm confused. Where did I say that anything to do with Jedi was actually RP? BH on this thread are whining that removing the names from the terminals isn't RP so I told them what really IS RPing their profession. I never said that Jedi were RPing theirs. Truth be told, I think the way the devs made Jedi level is pathetic. Jedi shouldn't have to kill a billion innocent creatures to level.
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Full temps know they will more than likely wipe the floor with a BH 1 vs 1. Hell, I would get excited at the prospect of a 70+% chance of winning every time.
Respec BHs look for easy marks as they have little/no experience in hunting. Moving Jedi missions to Master will sort that out. I don't take anything less than 150k unless there's nothing else online.
That's too funny. Seriously. I have a MBH/MRifleman/4000 CM alt and I killed 4 full temp Jedi ALONE earlier today. Needed money to buy a new pearl since my last one tuned to crap. A full temp Jedi has no better chance of killing a BH than a new padawanwho hasn't droppedTKM yet.
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Say I get the same mission twice ina row- through no fault of my own. Say it's a 40k paddy. Will I get hate tells and get reported for griefing? Yep.
Maybe you will get reported, but at least now you can honestly say it wasn't your fault and you weren't specifically targetting the person. Before there were BH hunting the same Jedi every hour. I witnessed the same BH come back 5 times killing the same Jedi every time. Now that won't happen because they won't be able to specifically target the person by name. Is that a bad thing? NOPE.
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The game is supposed to be about the 'GCW garbage' I think people are actually upset that the GCW should be soldier vs soldier - not Jedi vs Jedi. I don't know if you are aware, but this isn't Jedi Knight
The game was supposed to be about the GCW garbage, but since the devs made pathetically little content for it, it's become about BH/Jedi. While I would like the GCW to be better than it is, it isn't going to be as long as all we hear is nerf this and nerf that. Maybe if the GCW correspondent was actually doing his job instead of actively campaigning to get Jedi nerfed the GCW would be fixed. However, since he isn't doing anything but crying for nerfs, that's all we get. As for the GCW being soldier vs soldier... who said Jedi couldn't be soldiers? Honestly, you blame Jedi as if they're the ones who ruined the game. I think the normal professions did a very good job of that themselves. Prior to the first Jedi evenunlocking there were normal professions crying for nerfs on everything from mind attacks to the dizzy/kd combo. Armor types, slicing, KDs, you name it, someone was asking for it to be nerfed. Don't blame Jedi for that, blame morons who don't know how to play their own profession and want the devs to make it easier for them to be incompetent.
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Erm. I haven't noticed Jedi being weaker or nerfed since pub 19. I hunted a Jedi who specifically logged on after 19 so someone would get his mission. After he won he said 'phew, I haven't been nerfed at all'. Explain how a Jedi is weaker after pub 19. It cracks me up that any change to jedi is immediately heralded as a major nerf.
'You can still kill Jedi without much trouble??????
6 second recharge on heal plus the fact that it gets queued after an attack. Every time you attack you have to wait for the recharge before you can heal. A doc can use 3 differnt heals instantly while still attacking. I consider it a nerf when a Master Force Healer is less able to heal than a MDoc thattakes a day at most to finish. On top of that, everything from regular saberattacks to heals uses 3 pools now. I can understand our heals taking mind and force, but action as well, wth? I can see our attacks taking action and force, but MIND?? Are you mentally drained when you swing a sword in a circle? That's what I call a nerf. Like I said above, I killed 4 full temp jedi today with my alt. It took me no more than 2 minutes to kill each. I consider that "without much trouble" personally.
Message Edited by SimianSavior on 07-06-2005 04:34 AM
Let's be honest: many BHs (respect who are not like this) enjoyed griefing low-level paddys, and only a few were after full-templated or nearly full templated Jedi. I have a few Jedi in my guild, there were no BH after the full template ones since months, as well since I worth cca. 190k noone was after me.
So, the devs had only one way out from this situation, this patch. If they can't change the absolutely childish behaviour (on both sides, BHs and Jedi), they will nerf them to oblivion. Firstly they nerfed Jedi heal, now it was logical that the BHs get something as well...
So stop complaining, firstly you have to grow up (again: respect for the few, who aren't like this), then you can cry about your profession.
IMO.
Edit: yes, I am a Jedi, but also a BH on my alt (not for long tho', I never enjoyed it really), so I know what I'm talking about.
Message Edited by Dinchamion on 07-06-2005 11:34 AM
Vigorin wrote:
The only reason I dont care for the "BH can't just go gank on padawans now" excuse is because when someone becomes a Jedi, they are accepting a PVP lifestyle. If they have any common sense, they know the most dangerous time for them is when they're a padawan. But because all Jedi want to become Knights as fast as possible, they rather just forget about vis until they actually die, where, in turn, come to the forums to cry.
I kill padawans not because they are easy, but because they choose the easy road by grinding in front of full groups because they dont take the damn time to do it safely for their own skin by working out a system with guildmates that will keep them out of vis range, or plainly going to remote areas and grinding alone. If a low level Jedi has so much vis to get on the terminals in the first place, they should be killed, ganked, maimed, whatever.
If they did it right, and had any sense, they would avoid vis with all their might, which they easily can. Yea, u might not level as fast, but who says you have to have Knight in two frigginweeks!? Jesus.
Message Edited by Vigorin on 07-06-2005 01:54 AM
You can't solo a beginning padawan anymore, that whole excuse about "if they're on the terminals they deserve to get killed" argument is completely pointless now since you can't play Jedi without being on the terminals. As for getting guildmates together and such... I only hunted with 2 people when I first became a Jedi. Both of these people I know in RL. They are the only ones that knew Iwas a Jedi, and I still ended up on the terminals. The visibility system is a joke, and a very bad one at that. As for being a Knight in 2 weeks... won't happen unless double exp is in effect both of those weeks. Try grinding out 32 million exp at 1k per kill and you'll see what I mean. It takes a considerably long time to gain experience as a Jedi, especially if you let your CL drop below 80 (which has to happen during the grind because there is no conceievable way to keep it at 80 the whole time). Drop your CL to 64 and you'll get 800ish exp per kill. That's just crazy when you're losing 200-400k per death.
And as for "What If I accidently end up hunting my guildmate", well don't hunt same faction jedi then, there is a war going on after all, you picked a side, fight for it or go neutral.
On-topic: Well, I don't mind them removing the names from the terminals, as long as
- we get the names from the informants along with bio-signature
- the terminals only list online Jedi
- the faction is displayed on the terminal, and easily readable in a column (don't have to read the details to know what faction it is)
However, I really dislike the idea of removing payout info as I prefer to know in advance what money I'll get. I don't want to chase a guy for less than 120k, whatever the calculation of the bounty is. Not knowing the target's CL is an issue too. Because you can become MBH quite early in your character developpment and you need info on CL.
Off-topic: Again in this thread I see a lot of Jedi posting their opinions which is fine, as long as they don't babble about the usual trolling and disrupt the thread's topic. I don't care you got a BH alt, if you speak in here as a Jedi then be constructive or speak as a BH or just shut up and keep yourself to the Jedi boards. It's tiring to see all the Jedi posting their whines and griefs in the BH forums. And it's more often than not useless and it only raises the heat between the 2 communities. There are griefers and exploiters on both sides. Whiners too and Nerf-supporters too.