Bounty Hunter Archive

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Acheron5 wrote:

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Saarkai wrote:

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Acheron5 wrote:

It's unclear that Jedi will remain anonymous after the mission is accepted by the BH or the probot/seeker scans are complete. All that is known for certain at this point is that Jedi will be anonymous on the terminals. Whether the Jedi name is revealed once the mission is accepted or once the BH has ascertained the Jedi's location hasn't been determined.

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If you get the name when you get a bio sig, then what's the point? Other then adding in a small inconvience for the bounty hunter. So to see the name I have to go run to the spynet guy in kadaara? That's what? 100m? If you got the name after the arakyd reports, that might slow people down some, would make DE's happy anyway. But still would only be a small inconvience, so why bother with removing thier names in the first place?

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I think the purpose for removing the names from the terminals themselves was to prevent BH's fromexploiting the terminals. Two situations are addressed by this. First, it prevents BH's from "bottom feeding" on low level paddies, and secondly it discourages BH's from repeatedly taking out missions on the same Jedi. I would add that to whatever degree this occurs that it would make it more difficult for a Jedi having his friends take up all his missions. Whether these are valid concerns or not is a different controversy, but that seems to be the rationale behind this. The emphasis for a BH should be on the hunt rather then on some self-motivated sense of revenge or some desire to PWN a noob Jedi.

If the name is revealed either after accepting the mission or after the bioscan then this is simply a moderate impediment to discourage these situations from occurring.

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this change will in no way address those problems, except grouping and jedisecuring their own missions (whether they are significantissuesis debatable) The will neither encourage or discourage taking missions on the same jedi, it will all be up to chance, it will have exactly the same effect on "bottom feeding".

If the don't want me to take the same jedi's mission why don't they actually do that? filter it out.

If they don't want me to take mission on younglings they shouldn't allow them to be on the terminals.

removing names and payouts will only cause more frustration for the BH and won't make anything easier for the jedi.

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egazmen wrote:

cry cry cry!!! go cry same more cry cry cry!!! so what if they take names out of mark bh are suppose to hunt anyone anyways bh are suppose to be sneaky anyways if your sneaky and catch mark at there weakess point its not any problem taking on a full templated jedi not unless your a noob bh and don't know what your doing it does take a gang squad to take on a full template jedi just got to know what your doing and be smart about

mbh/mdef ftw jedi runs from me once they find out i have mdef lol

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It's a double whammy....

If you have to be a MBH to hunt jedi, AND you no longer can see names, it goes a long way to protecting jedi. This change might remove between 1/4 and 1/3 of existing people who hunt jedi, while making it that much more difficult for those that are still able.

Personally, I hunt with a friend, and we win some, we lose some, but since there are 2 of us, we feel more comfortable taking larger risks, on larger bounties. This change really makes me wonder. I'll hang around for a couple of months hoping for a change, but after taking a long time off, the system we have now has provided me a huge burst of interest, and enjoyment. I've been re-addicted. This kind of change will easily take me from addict to casual player again, if that a couple months from now.

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Warryyr wrote:

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Canvas wrote:

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Warryyr wrote:

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Canvas wrote:

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Daivan wrote:

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Saarkai wrote:

This is absolutly game breaking. The worst idea i have ever heard of. Not only does it not make ANY sense RP wise, it doesn't make any sense game wise.

Also, look for kashyyyk to become a complete jedi safe haven now. Without the name, how are you going to hunt on kashyyk? Run around tabbing through everything till you pick up your mark?

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Letting a 3000BH hunt the same as the MBH is what was GAME BREAKING!

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Woah. Wromg thread, but since you were typing in caps, large font and red color,ithas tobe true!

Btw what is up with all those Jedi posting here in the BH forums? Keep it to yourown forum if you wanna express how much you love this patch. Would be a nice change to see 1 or 2 non-whining threads over there for once.

Message Edited by Canvas on 07-05-2005 09:11 PM

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Ok, I don't know how many times I've seen this exact statement, and said exactly this: If you have something constructive to say, then it should be said, and there are no profession badge requirements to post in any forum you'd like to.

Next, I'm surprised it's taken you this long to find out that many Jedi have BH alts. Now you know.

Finally, you'll see that (as some Jedi have BH alts) they aren't welcoming this patch with open arms, they are actually providing feedback as Auraboron requested, and admitting to possible faults in this system. If you have a problem with that, then I fail to see why you're even posting in this thread.

Also, your post above is anything but constructive, yet you fault the Jedi for posting, though it seems they ARE being constructive. Look in the mirror, it's good to do every so often.

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Respecing your Alt which you never play to MBH, in the hope that you can farm him for FRS points once it is turned back on again, doesn't really count.

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Making assumptions about people you don't know, and posts like this, doesn't really help a feedback thread. You're wasting my time, your time, and the Devs' time. Contribute, or don't. Your call.

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Pushed the right buttons here, eh?

And feedback? I sure can repeat myself again:
Those changes in the BH/Jedi system are a joke, plain and simple. They are made with the only purpose and goal to please the ever growing number of Jedi. No need to say more, as it is pointless. Jedi are SOE's cash cow,and that's it. They whine 24/7, and sooner or later they getwhat they want.Examples needed?

Just to name some of the major "great" changes the Devs came up with:
- Perma-Death??? el oh el
- Removal of Saber-TEF.
- Removal of Skill-loss.
- Removal of XP-loss from non-BH deaths.
- Removal of perma-overtness for fully templated Jedi.
- BH droids not working on Kashyyyk.
- Double XP every 2 weeks, which actually helps mostly Jedi grinders. What good for is double XP for a "regular"toon that is full template since forever?
- And last but not least: Removing Jedi names from the terminals, as well as indication of their level and if they are actually online atm or not, so God forbid the BH has an idea against what he will be up to and of which faction or guild his mark is.

Message Edited by Canvas on 07-05-2005 10:06 PM

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FernGully wrote:
As a Jedi: Glad that the BH mission system won't be an easy tool to use for harassment. Glad to see that fellow Jedi can no longer easily get their missions held for them by friends. Glad to see that all Jedi have a roughly even chance of getting hunted, not just lil paddies.

As a BH: Glad to see that the BH mission system won't be an easy tool to use for harassment. Glad to see that Jedi can't get their buddies to hold their missions and make them unhuntable. Hope that all mission payouts are made the same, regardless of jedi skill level, if you are taking away my ability to choose my marks.

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BenkeiHami wrote:

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Acheron5 wrote:

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Saarkai wrote:

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Acheron5 wrote:

It's unclear that Jedi will remain anonymous after the mission is accepted by the BH or the probot/seeker scans are complete. All that is known for certain at this point is that Jedi will be anonymous on the terminals. Whether the Jedi name is revealed once the mission is accepted or once the BH has ascertained the Jedi's location hasn't been determined.

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If you get the name when you get a bio sig, then what's the point? Other then adding in a small inconvience for the bounty hunter. So to see the name I have to go run to the spynet guy in kadaara? That's what? 100m? If you got the name after the arakyd reports, that might slow people down some, would make DE's happy anyway. But still would only be a small inconvience, so why bother with removing thier names in the first place?

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I think the purpose for removing the names from the terminals themselves was to prevent BH's fromexploiting the terminals. Two situations are addressed by this. First, it prevents BH's from "bottom feeding" on low level paddies, and secondly it discourages BH's from repeatedly taking out missions on the same Jedi. I would add that to whatever degree this occurs that it would make it more difficult for a Jedi having his friends take up all his missions. Whether these are valid concerns or not is a different controversy, but that seems to be the rationale behind this. The emphasis for a BH should be on the hunt rather then on some self-motivated sense of revenge or some desire to PWN a noob Jedi.

If the name is revealed either after accepting the mission or after the bioscan then this is simply a moderate impediment to discourage these situations from occurring.

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this change will in no way address those problems, except grouping and jedisecuring their own missions (whether they are significantissuesis debatable) The will neither encourage or discourage taking missions on the same jedi, it will all be up to chance, it will have exactly the same effect on "bottom feeding".

If the don't want me to take the same jedi's mission why don't they actually do that? filter it out.

If they don't want me to take mission on younglings they shouldn't allow them to be on the terminals.

removing names and payouts will only cause more frustration for the BH and won't make anything easier for the jedi.

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The only way this will make things more frustrating for BH's if you are specifically targetting, or not targetting, a particular player. If the Jedi name is revealed on mission acceptance or on bioscan, something that hasn't been mentioned in the patch notes and yet is assumed to be the case, then the principle issue of targetting the Jedi or determining if they are online doesn't matter. From the point of view of hunt mechanics, that is targetting the Jedi when you are approaching him, this is the main concern.

I agree that there are a lot of other ways that this issue, as well as a host of other issues, could have been addressed. By and large this modification to the BH terms seems designed to make it more difficult for certain BH's who are playing for the sake of griefing Jedi to do that. Basically, the BH's who have been playing for the sake of revenge or to annoy other players are making all BH's pay the price for their behavior.

As for the repeat missions on the same Jedi it can now be legitimately argued by the BH that it either wasn't their intention or if it was it probably involved jumping through a lot of hoops to get it. It can still happen, but it will be more difficult for it to be intentional. A similar argument could be made for hunting padawans- If a BH pulls a paddie mission then it is the luck of the draw and that particular paddie isn't likely to get any more BH visits then any other Jedi.

This is totally ridiculous. So I don't know the jedi, or payout and my marks on kash, but it doesn't even matter if i did recon of the trails earlier, cuase i gotta go through them again for every possible mark. after going through all the trails i find my mark and it's a knight. After a ridiculously long battle he runs low on force and hides in the safezone glitch to regenerate while my foods and buffs run out. The he comes out and slaps me upside the head with his flashlight and I'm dead.

Yeah sounds like fun... time to quit and move onto wow like everyone else.

Seems like SOE just wants to keep digging the hole deeper and deeper