Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: Duel / End Duel?
RobbHood wrote:
How is it an exploit? Cheap maybe, but so is /target looking for a cloaked Jedi, and so is auto target cheap. But none are exploits.
and the proper macro sequence would be: /duel;
/pause 2;
/endduel;
Here's my definition of an exploit in SWG.
Using a game mechanic in a way that was not intendedin order to gain an advantage over another player or the system as a whole.
That covers the following current exploits (this is all my opinion not a Devs)
Portable house builders - Total weaksauce, this was not how houses were intended to be used. Newbie Padawans are more deadly to the majority of BH's than mid template Jedi if they take the time to prepare and learn how to PvP.
Line of sight hiding - More weaksauce, Jedi should be stripped of thier robes for using this on the spot.
/unstick in the trails to exit - If we cant use travel terminals while attacked we shouldnt be able to use this in the same manner.
/duel /endduel to see if they have your mission - Not what the devs intended this to be used for. The game is designed to give the BH a surprise first strike, any intentional use of a game mechanic to circumvent thatto negate the BHsurprise first strikeisexploiting the system.
/offerride spamming -Total bush league tactic and if not an exploit definitely griefing in my book.
House hiding after attacking a BH - Blatant exploit if the Jedi has attacked the BH back. Either run to a safe place to logor fight like a Jedi.
Not flaming anyone here, everyone has a right toan opinion and this is mine as I stated above. I personally choose not to use any of these in my dealings with BH's and encourage others not to as well.
If you do use them I don't hold it against you one way or the other, but I would not become too reliant on any of these things for the long term.
Sp is running a /target macro in a crowded area an exploit? Is running that macro to uncover a cloaked Jedi, who is not suppose to be found via that method an exploit?
Who are you to tell me I can't challenge anyone I want to a duel, and, oh say about 2 seconds later, change my mind? 
Message Edited by RobbHood on 06-24-2005 11:54 AM
ErveStarr wrote:
Abusing an oversight in the game in such a way to get an unintended advantage is an exploit.
Council Member of the SHJOrunning an acceptduel macro will just get 3-8 jedi dueling you at once. and you have to target and /endduel each one.
it is an exploit, to use it to discover a bh has your mission. this is information OTHER game mechanics deny you.
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Daviepoo wrote:
ErveStarr wrote:
An exploit where a mark can find out if you have their mission.
This isn't an exploit as there is no bug to take advantage of. It is working as intended.However, that doesn't mean the system hasn't been designed in a by a chimp with an alcohol problem, allowing it to be easily abused in such a way.
Abuse != exploit
the bug taken advantage of is when the grinders at the wookie camp notice it is them, and they run immediately to the LOS exploit.
Delroh wrote:
ErveStarr wrote:
Abusing an oversight in the game in such a way to get an unintended advantage is an exploit.
And what Advantage do they get by doing this, Oh wow they know you have their mission whoopiedoo, 4 others can have the mission too. again what advantage do they get on doing this, It doenst give them first attack, and doesnt mean the BH has to attack then. Doesnt mean the BH can't hold on to their mission and doesnt stop them from using the mission. Again there is no advange that the Jedi gets out of doing this. Its not a Exploit, and there is no Advantage tothis intended or unintended.
ErveStarr wrote:
Delroh wrote:
ErveStarr wrote:
Abusing an oversight in the game in such a way to get an unintended advantage is an exploit.
And what Advantage do they get by doing this, Oh wow they know you have their mission whoopiedoo, 4 others can have the mission too. again what advantage do they get on doing this, It doenst give them first attack, and doesnt mean the BH has to attack then. Doesnt mean the BH can't hold on to their mission and doesnt stop them from using the mission. Again there is no advange that the Jedi gets out of doing this. Its not a Exploit, and there is no Advantage tothis intended or unintended.
Knowing you have their mission, and being prepared for an attack?
I'm sorry, I don't see how this is relevant.
No, but it means that jedi will be expecing an attack. Bounty hunters aren't duelists you know.
Wrong.
How does knowing you have there missions stop anything? THey cant do anything till you pull the trigger anyways, and anyone that is a Jedi should ALWAYS be ready for a attack according to the BH's
Its just as relevant as someone knowing you ahve there mission. so they know you ahve there mission what can they do about it? stand there and be ready or Run, same thing they can do when they dont know you have there missions. And even if this one guy has your mission there are still up to 4 others out there somewhere with the mission too and they coudl attack at any time as well.
Again, every jedi should be ready to be attacked at any time, thats normally why when a blue dot rides up to a group of jedi in the wild they all break and fly different directions. BH says that being a Jedi means be ready for a attack so in that case they should already be ready for a attack how again is this any different?
Honesly really havent probed anything but the fact that you always want to have the upper hand and as soon as someone finds a way to help themselves you guys call it a exploit.
ErveStarr wrote:
I'm talking more in the context of the jedi who grind on the Ryatt, who stand in the LOS exploit part when thet see a dot coming. Before this duel exploit became well known, all the jedi would stand there and eventually just come out and grind, and get it over with, now however, when they can tell who has their mission, the rest come out and grind in safety, while the unlucky mark will sit in the corner, hearl abuse/go afk/logout/take all food and drink and be ready to fight/insert other jedi tactic here.
So you are equating Childish behavior with a Exploit?
NO i dont afree with them going /afk, hurling insults or using Los, eating the foods i see no problem with honestly, Dont you want a semi fair fight once in awhile or you just a ChickenHawk BH that only preys on a Jedi when they are almost dead? Not flaming jsut asking what you SoP is in hunting, some do some want a nice long fight.
Delroh wrote:
ErveStarr wrote:
I'm talking more in the context of the jedi who grind on the Ryatt, who stand in the LOS exploit part when thet see a dot coming. Before this duel exploit became well known, all the jedi would stand there and eventually just come out and grind, and get it over with, now however, when they can tell who has their mission, the rest come out and grind in safety, while the unlucky mark will sit in the corner, hearl abuse/go afk/logout/take all food and drink and be ready to fight/insert other jedi tactic here.
So you are equating Childish behavior with a Exploit?
NO i dont afree with them going /afk, hurling insults or using Los, eating the foods i see no problem with honestly, Dont you want a semi fair fight once in awhile or you just a ChickenHawk BH that only preys on a Jedi when they are almost dead? Not flaming jsut asking what you SoP is in hunting, some do some want a nice long fight.
My point is that they are not supposed to know who has their mission before you attack them, surely you can understand that?
I'm a bounty hunter because I enjoy 1v1 pvp yes, my opponents are often stronger than I am, I do not use exploits, and I do not agree with your view that it is alright to use an exploit to make it more like a duel than a bounty mission.
ErveStarr wrote:
Delroh wrote:
ErveStarr wrote:
I'm talking more in the context of the jedi who grind on the Ryatt, who stand in the LOS exploit part when thet see a dot coming. Before this duel exploit became well known, all the jedi would stand there and eventually just come out and grind, and get it over with, now however, when they can tell who has their mission, the rest come out and grind in safety, while the unlucky mark will sit in the corner, hearl abuse/go afk/logout/take all food and drink and be ready to fight/insert other jedi tactic here.
So you are equating Childish behavior with a Exploit?
NO i dont afree with them going /afk, hurling insults or using Los, eating the foods i see no problem with honestly, Dont you want a semi fair fight once in awhile or you just a ChickenHawk BH that only preys on a Jedi when they are almost dead? Not flaming jsut asking what you SoP is in hunting, some do some want a nice long fight.
My point is that they are not supposed to know who has their mission before you attack them, surely you can understand that?
I'm a bounty hunter because I enjoy 1v1 pvp yes, my opponents are often stronger than I am, I do not use exploits, and I do not agree with your view that it is alright to use an exploit to make it more like a duel than a bounty mission.
ok... maybe my logic is wrong, but...
If the jedi have nothing to gain from this, then why are they doing it?
It would seem to me that if th arguements posted previously are true, and there are just 4 more BH comming after you, and there's no way to stop a BH from attacking you, then it would be pointless to use this loophole to see who has your target.
On the other hand, if there is something to gain from it (such as knowing you can grind safely in the presence of a non jedi passerby) then they are gaining an unfair advantage from this action, which is not intended. Most people I believe would call that an exploit, but I suppose that until the devs them selves say so, I'll call it a loop hole. I've never had it happen to me, but it doesn't seem fair. Then again, neither do a lot of the low things that both jedi and BH do. So, does that make it fair game play, or greifing? I just don't know..... But my question still stands.
If they have nothing to gain from it, then why do it?
Message Edited by lesniak on 06-24-2005 05:44 PM