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let's see it for real..most jedi are:

Mdef, saber 0404, Healer 4000, enhancer 4004 or
Mdef, saber 0044, healer 4000, enhancer 4004 or
Mdef, saber 0444, healer 4000, enhancer 2002


so what's the possibilities for those jedi..well:
Mdef:
Force Aura +500 defense
Force Valor bonus in ranged mitigation
plus all mitigation and dodge
ranged defense of 215

Saber:
saber block +20
Armor Break
Powerstrike
combined that does way more then 1k dmg on a 8k energy armor

Healer:
Heal for 1500
Force Infusion

Enhancer:
Force Speed
Force Run
Force Wave
Channel Force

In short...the BH is killing his mind AND action trying to heal...while the jedi with Mdef can just stand there and wait for the attacks running an Infusion macro, they might need to heal from time to time but nothing else...
If they are low on Force they can still use a holo which are found VERY easily in Force Crystal Cave
Show me a BH who can fully heal his action or mind...yea you can't cuz it's not possible...Jedi can have full Force in just a second tho..yes only once a day, but that is enough against a BH
so the BH is FORCED to do MCM so he can heal, which means he has a very bad dmg output with any weapon and HAS to use enhancers which are kinda expensive if you ask me.
Anyway that means the BH is limited to 1 template and that is BH/MCM...
without that you can't win against a jedi with Mdef...no matter if he has powers or saber
yea a BH can have an 8300 energy armor...and Jedi have so much mitigation that BH hit every 5th shot...when they are lucky.

No not everyone is Mdef...but 90% of the jedi are...9 of the 10 last jedi missions i took were Mdef...strange uh? and most jedi I know are Mdef too

A jedi with Force Speed could use an advanced Laser Rifle and hit a BH faster then a BH/rifle...yes they lose block, but they still have Force Aura, Force Valor, some even have Force Armor, run the infusion macro n u are better then any rifleman..unless the rifleman is clothed with speed tapes and all sorta buffs...which the jedi can have too btw...
so if you run, the jedi just has to get his good rifle out and shoot at you and if you're close he just AB/powerstrike n yer dead...in either case..it's not 1.5 times better it's just not possible to win..unless they already have loads of dmg or used up their force or are in a spin group and don't realise what's happening...

Oo and yea I have a Jedi too..BH still is more fun

Maybe the amount of Jedi/Bounty Hunter accounts is due to the those being the 2 most desired professions? Just a thought there...

Rhavyn Veldrin'faer
Outriders
MBH/MCB/CM

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Rhavyn wrote:

Maybe the amount of Jedi/Bounty Hunter accounts is due to the those being the 2 most desired professions? Just a thought there...

Rhavyn Veldrin'faer
Outriders
MBH/MCB/CM

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yes, and Jedi can get both for some odd reason

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Nakahs wrote:

I play since beta and never want to become a jedi lamer or something... so i can say what it would need to have a more fair chance against jedi in general.This is my new account but however its still the same as 1 year before with the unbalance between jedi/bh pvp. Ranged Profs are cause of the superior Jedi ranged defense useless again against Jedi... 1 year ago BH's are forced to go Melee like TKM to stand a chance.

Lets not get it that far again id say... And yes i know there arent enough BH's left who are not Jedi alts to sign my petition but i want catch some fishy so here it goes.

The problem is jeday can heal as good as a mcm do as much damage as a rifleman with an uber min damage rifle of 600-700ish and tank with their 800-900 ranged def, mitigation and saberblock 25% like god himself. f.e. a capped rifle used by a high end modded rifleman with all accuracy food hits (when it even hits) for about 200-250dam. (without calculating PSG's - another -50 -100dam per hit)

This dam the jedi not even need to heal ... force infusion buff is autohealing enough to not have to heal manual.

So the problem here for more balance would be to at least make it possible a ranged proffession can do decent damage to a jedi who is mdef which all are nowadays but the cloakers...

To solve the problem with balance jeday should lose a lot of their superior defense in pvp. I dont say delete or nerf cloak or something as it is lame but not a debalncing issue as long as this jeday is not exploiting sabers and use it as an offensive ganking ability.

Back to the uber defense problem we BH's are faced and im not talking about those BH's who are only jedi alts... another problem is we have much more BH alts from players that are at first jeday and talk bull in this forum to try to prevent they get nerfed.

I dont want talk too much about that fact cause the real (at first) BH's know we have 1000 of jedi trolls here. feel free to post troll...

I dont want to make jedi equal cause that would cause too much whining even when it would be only fair but i want to have at least a chance as a BH to kill a jedi who is not afk or half dead already.

For that Jeday have to lose their uberness when it comes to a BH/Jedi fight. I would say best solution would be (of course not for jedi) that aura and valor dont work as good in a BH/Jedi situation as it does in a PVE situation. Lets say a decrease of the defense and mitigation that a BH can do decent damage and is not forced to heal till hes out of mind.

The Decrease has to be at least 20% mitigation and 300 ranged defense valor can stand then how it is and it would still be an advantage 1.5 to 1 against BH when it comes to defense.

Now we have an advantage of 3 to 1 for jedi against BH's in either defense and offense as most have pre cu sabers or pearls.

the problem with the sabers is that they have a very high min dam and that is what counts in high end pvp.

So id say let the jedi the superior offense but cut their defense that a BH with best equipment has at least a chance to win without exploiting or using dirty tricks like afk jedi killing or shot when jedi is half dead cause of pve or pvp.

Thats my 2 cent ...

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Ive got both like every other jedi as its nice to see both sides of the story.

I cant see any real ballance issues what so ever. If a jedi dosnt want to fight thats his choice , the player dosnt sign up to be another players content just because of the type of class they play.

My Jedi is fully templated and most of my battles are won and lost on mind and action . Force never seems to be a problem and Id never waste a holo on a bh anyway.

A MCM can definatly heal much faster than I can , has the initative when to engage and only has to look after 3 bars.

Sounds like an incompitant BH who thinks they need to win every battle to me.........

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BountyGreg wrote:
let's see it for real..most jedi are:

Mdef, saber 0404, Healer 4000, enhancer 4004 or
Mdef, saber 0044, healer 4000, enhancer 4004 or
Mdef, saber 0444, healer 4000, enhancer 2002

(...)

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Wrong.
Most Jedi are not MDef. Most Jedi are Def 0040, Def 4040, Def 0044 or Def 4440.

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robpro wrote:

Ive been a Master Bounty Hunter since sept 03

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lies

Lol the point is jedi should not even be comparable with a damn bounty hunter any day of the week. Are heals/damage and everything else should be superior and if u wanna kill us then use skill and tactics like a real bh. Im sorry u just suck as a bh but thats your problem. Asking for a nerf on jedi after we have already got the short end of the stick is just pointless. Why dont u go Mcm/Mbh/Pistol 0004 like everybody else and learn your templateand quit whining.

Ps: I am a Troll...so what

Message Edited by Jedi1006 on 09-06-2005 06:56 AM

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Jedi1006 wrote:
Lol the point is jedi should not even be comparable with a damn bounty hunter any day of the week. Are heals/damage and everything else should be superior and if u wanna kill us then use skill and tactics like a real bh. Im sorry u just suck as a bh but thats your problem. Asking for a nerf on jedi after we have already got the short end of the stick is just pointless. Why dont u go Mcm/Mbh/Pistol 0004 like everybody else and quit whining.

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And why should they be? that's stupid

Now healing, 4-0-0-0 CM = 1300 bacta shot, 1300 toss, 1100 spray in 6 seconds = 3400

Message Edited by Pday on 09-05-200507:29 PM

Message Edited by Pday on 09-05-200507:30 PM

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Your healing numbers are out of date. As an mcm, I heal for about, on avg, 1040 for bacta shot, 1015 for spray, and 1050 for toss. Also that is NOT every 6 seconds because of the cool down timer, it would take around 8-10 seconds because of the cool down timers. Also cm healing is not a fixed value, it is a random number among a set range. Also when the heal values for cm where changes, so was the mind cost, it was raised slightly.

Also I can tell you for a fact, a master defender does not take damage like they were wearing 7000 vs energy/kinetic. I have fought m.def and people in 7500 vs kinetic, and I can say that those in the 7500 took ALOT more damage, on the order of 150-175 more per shot.

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well then obviously your not a CM or your donot know your options......

Message Edited by Midgetman690 on 09-06-200512:04 PM

Message Edited by Midgetman690 on 09-06-2005 12:05 PM

the poster has a point , but most of you lot think bh needs cm and bh does not need cm at all 0020 medic is ok ,i use it with my template.

why should jedi which in some cases only takes 3 weeks to grind out and finish ie respec + 2x xp weeks ,and normaly 6 months or geocaves camping and holo grinding which was 4 months ,get all the best loot and are mando armour .


and for a mbh to get 300 mill just for all his ca and aa and then the weapons and then all the adks for the stuff, then the armour and all the parts to slice it 75% ab,all this just to start hunting jedi and jedi need only 30 mill for there glow sticks,the jedi tryed to out price every thing so no one could get anything.

because of the jedi ruled the ca and aa market for so long.Now the jedi are crying that we have the ca and aa.


give jedi offence but take there def away as well.

Newtons 3rd law of physics with every action there is a reaction *(why cant this apply.)*

Message Edited by KOLBROOKIE on 09-06-2005 12:29 PM