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Thread: **Jedi/BH need balance we have same problem as 1 year ago**
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Nakahs
Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:01 pm
#1
I play since beta and never want to become a jedi lamer or something... so i can say what it would need to have a more fair chance against jedi in general.This is my new account but however its still the same as 1 year before with the unbalance between jedi/bh pvp. Ranged Profs are cause of the superior Jedi ranged defense useless again against Jedi... 1 year ago BH's are forced to go Melee like TKM to stand a chance.
Lets not get it that far again id say... And yes i know there arent enough BH's left who are not Jedi alts to sign my petition but i want catch some fishy so here it goes.
The problem is jeday can heal as good as a mcm do as much damage as a rifleman with an uber min damage rifle of 600-700ish and tank with their 800-900 ranged def, mitigation and saberblock 25% like god himself. f.e. a capped rifle used by a high end modded rifleman with all accuracy food hits (when it even hits) for about 200-250dam. (without calculating PSG's - another -50 -100dam per hit)
This dam the jedi not even need to heal ... force infusion buff is autohealing enough to not have to heal manual.
So the problem here for more balance would be to at least make it possible a ranged proffession can do decent damage to a jedi who is mdef which all are nowadays but the cloakers...
To solve the problem with balance jeday should lose a lot of their superior defense in pvp. I dont say delete or nerf cloak or something as it is lame but not a debalncing issue as long as this jeday is not exploiting sabers and use it as an offensive ganking ability.
Back to the uber defense problem we BH's are faced and im not talking about those BH's who are only jedi alts... another problem is we have much more BH alts from players that are at first jeday and talk bull in this forum to try to prevent they get nerfed.
I dont want talk too much about that fact cause the real (at first) BH's know we have 1000 of jedi trolls here. feel free to post troll...
I dont want to make jedi equal cause that would cause too much whining even when it would be only fair but i want to have at least a chance as a BH to kill a jedi who is not afk or half dead already.
For that Jeday have to lose their uberness when it comes to a BH/Jedi fight. I would say best solution would be (of course not for jedi) that aura and valor dont work as good in a BH/Jedi situation as it does in a PVE situation. Lets say a decrease of the defense and mitigation that a BH can do decent damage and is not forced to heal till hes out of mind.
The Decrease has to be at least 20% mitigation and 300 ranged defense valor can stand then how it is and it would still be an advantage 1.5 to 1 against BH when it comes to defense.
Now we have an advantage of 3 to 1 for jedi against BH's in either defense and offense as most have pre cu sabers or pearls.
the problem with the sabers is that they have a very high min dam and that is what counts in high end pvp.
So id say let the jedi the superior offense but cut their defense that a BH with best equipment has at least a chance to win without exploiting or using dirty tricks like afk jedi killing or shot when jedi is half dead cause of pve or pvp.
Thats my 2 cent ...
First Mandalorian on Infinity
Nakahs
Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:13 pm
#2
Feel free to troll here i need sleep and will check tomorow and if not enough Jeday here i will go back to hunt and
.... ah i dunno maybe not 
Message Edited by Nakahs on 09-05-200506:37 PM
Message Edited by Nakahs on 09-05-2005 06:37 PM
Qwad
Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:19 pm
#3
What is this come up with stupid ideas day or what?
Message Edited by Qwad on 09-05-2005 06:19 PM
Ameno
Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:29 pm
#4
well damn.. i had a nice post too, and it just ups and deletes itself, anywho. its all even when you look at it. armor, damage, weapons,heals. they all break down to being the same thing, then there are variables, depending on the template, and how skilled the player is at PvP. Can't beat a Jedi? get better. Can't beat a BH?.. get better.
Nakahs
Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:39 pm
#5
thanks Qwad and Ameno ...any more jedi trolls?
Maybe a real BH left in this forum but me?
However im off now tonite fighters and Jeday
Qwad
Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:15 pm
#6
Nakahs wrote:thanks Qwad and Ameno ...any more jedi trolls?
Maybe a real BH left in this forum but me?
However im off now tonite fighters and Jeday
How do you know what type of character I play? FYI: I have both, BH and Jedi. Sorry to bust that bubble on you.
Ameno
Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:19 pm
#7
ahem.. hate to break it to you, a troll is defined as someone lurking and posting unconstructive critism... i pointed out a valid point, a argument if you will, against your complaining and lack of skill.
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Pday
Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:23 pm
#8
Nakahs wrote:
I play since beta and never want to become a jedi lamer or something... so i can say what it would need to have a more fair chance against jedi in general.This is my new account but however its still the same as 1 year before with the unbalance between jedi/bh pvp. Ranged Profs are cause of the superior Jedi ranged defense useless again against Jedi... 1 year ago BH's are forced to go Melee like TKM to stand a chance.
Lets not get it that far again id say... And yes i know there arent enough BH's left who are not Jedi alts to sign my petition but i want catch some fishy so here it goes.
The problem is jeday can heal as good as a mcm do as much damage as a rifleman with an uber min damage rifle of 600-700ish and tank with their 800-900 ranged def, mitigation and saberblock 25% like god himself. f.e. a capped rifle used by a high end modded rifleman with all accuracy food hits (when it even hits) for about 200-250dam. (without calculating PSG's - another -50 -100dam per hit)
This dam the jedi not even need to heal ... force infusion buff is autohealing enough to not have to heal manual.
So the problem here for more balance would be to at least make it possible a ranged proffession can do decent damage to a jedi who is mdef which all are nowadays but the cloakers...
To solve the problem with balance jeday should lose a lot of their superior defense in pvp. I dont say delete or nerf cloak or something as it is lame but not a debalncing issue as long as this jeday is not exploiting sabers and use it as an offensive ganking ability.
Back to the uber defense problem we BH's are faced and im not talking about those BH's who are only jedi alts... another problem is we have much more BH alts from players that are at first jeday and talk bull in this forum to try to prevent they get nerfed.
I dont want talk too much about that fact cause the real (at first) BH's know we have 1000 of jedi trolls here. feel free to post troll...
I dont want to make jedi equal cause that would cause too much whining even when it would be only fair but i want to have at least a chance as a BH to kill a jedi who is not afk or half dead already.
For that Jeday have to lose their uberness when it comes to a BH/Jedi fight. I would say best solution would be (of course not for jedi) that aura and valor dont work as good in a BH/Jedi situation as it does in a PVE situation. Lets say a decrease of the defense and mitigation that a BH can do decent damage and is not forced to heal till hes out of mind.
The Decrease has to be at least 20% mitigation and 300 ranged defense valor can stand then how it is and it would still be an advantage 1.5 to 1 against BH when it comes to defense.
Now we have an advantage of 3 to 1 for jedi against BH's in either defense and offense as most have pre cu sabers or pearls.
the problem with the sabers is that they have a very high min dam and that is what counts in high end pvp.
So id say let the jedi the superior offense but cut their defense that a BH with best equipment has at least a chance to win without exploiting or using dirty tricks like afk jedi killing or shot when jedi is half dead cause of pve or pvp.
Thats my 2 cent ...
with m.rifles,m.bh and 4-0-0-0 if you dont win or make the jedi run in 9 out of 10 cases you need to drop all combat skills and get m.dancer/m.id, but on the other hand go TKM/bh and die you dont even stand a remote chance.
So you strenghten bh or nerf down jedi def to less than a non jedi can get, lets see for a second though man, bh - 8100 recon armor, thats 8100 protection vs energy damage, jedi m.def 7000 inate jedi armor 7000 vs your damage,
looks like bhs already have better armor options than jedi, now there is aura which has a cost and not all jedi have, and should it really be balanced for those who have it? since that would underpower everyone who doesnt.
Now healing, 4-0-0-0 CM = 1300 bacta shot, 1300 toss, 1100 spray in 6 seconds = 3400
Advanced force heal = 1500 every 6 seconds
I have the same template as you and i can tank full temp m.defenders through a healthbuff crystal and a holo. now im not sure if that means im a good bh, that scylla bh's are just better than most other or if you just suck at bh'ing
Message Edited by Pday on 09-05-2005 07:29 PM
Message Edited by Pday on 09-05-2005 07:30 PM
Oss_Wilum
Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:28 pm
#9
Ameno wrote:
ahem.. hate to break it to you, a troll is defined as someone lurking and posting unconstructive critism... i pointed out a valid point, a argument if you will, against your complaining and lack of skill.
what constructive criticism is there to offer when he's just wrong?
this isn't a remodel, it's a total tear down...
Skare99
Mon Sep 05, 2005 10:19 pm
#10
Oh you mean the same guys who come here and say they are 100-0 versus full temps ?
Nakahs wrote:
another problem is we have much more BH alts from players that are at first jeday and talk bull in this forum to try to prevent they get nerfed.
wildcard1973
Mon Sep 05, 2005 11:31 pm
#11
Nakahs wrote:
The problem is jeday can heal as good as a mcm do as much damage as a rifleman with an uber min damage rifle of 600-700ish and tank with their 800-900 ranged def, mitigation and saberblock 25% like god himself. f.e. a capped rifle used by a high end modded rifleman with all accuracy food hits (when it even hits) for about 200-250dam. (without calculating PSG's - another -50 -100dam per hit)
Damn....don't think I've ever seen the elusive MLS/MDefender/MHealer....wish I could get an extra 42 skillpoints...
Don't like PSGs? use a kinetic weapon....oh and for the record..anyone with hapf a brain will point out a MCM will beat a Jedi healer in healing anyday.....I'd wager you need a lot of practice.
Hoboken
Mon Sep 05, 2005 11:42 pm
#12
Now healing, 4-0-0-0 CM = 1300 bacta shot, 1300 toss, 1100 spray in 6 seconds = 3400
Your healing numbers are out of date. As an mcm, I heal for about, on avg, 1040 for bacta shot, 1015 for spray, and 1050 for toss. Also that is NOT every 6 seconds because of the cool down timer, it would take around 8-10 seconds because of the cool down timers. Also cm healing is not a fixed value, it is a random number among a set range. Also when the heal values for cm where changes, so was the mind cost, it was raised slightly.
Also I can tell you for a fact, a master defender does not take damage like they were wearing 7000 vs energy/kinetic. I have fought m.def and people in 7500 vs kinetic, and I can say that those in the 7500 took ALOT more damage, on the order of 150-175 more per shot.
Advanced force heal = 1500 every 6 seconds
I have the same template as you and i can tank full temp m.defenders through a healthbuff crystal and a holo. now im not sure if that means im a good bh, that scylla bh's are just better than most other or if you just suck at bh'ing
Message Edited by Pday on 09-05-200507:29 PM
Message Edited by Pday on 09-05-200507:30 PM
Your healing numbers are out of date. As an mcm, I heal for about, on avg, 1040 for bacta shot, 1015 for spray, and 1050 for toss. Also that is NOT every 6 seconds because of the cool down timer, it would take around 8-10 seconds because of the cool down timers. Also cm healing is not a fixed value, it is a random number among a set range. Also when the heal values for cm where changes, so was the mind cost, it was raised slightly.
Also I can tell you for a fact, a master defender does not take damage like they were wearing 7000 vs energy/kinetic. I have fought m.def and people in 7500 vs kinetic, and I can say that those in the 7500 took ALOT more damage, on the order of 150-175 more per shot.
Galon_Brightnight
Mon Sep 05, 2005 11:56 pm
#13
Your spelling and grammar make baby jesus cry.
Nakahs wrote:
thanks Qwad and Ameno ...any more jedi trolls?
Maybe a real BH left in this forum but me?
However im off now tonite fighters and Jeday
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