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Thread: Oh, so you want to call bounty hunters scum, do you?
Everitt_Cage wrote:
Lots of people love to call BHs "scum" because of that line in TESB. Well, I think theres a couple things both rebels and imperials alike should know before referring to BHs as scum:
*Rebels: Rebels are also called "scum" in the movies. If you want to accept one quote from the movies as a basis for calling BHs "scum", you also have to accept the other quotes from the movies, including the ones in which rebels are called "scum", at least, unless your a hypocrite, in which case you've insulted yourself either way. Call BHs "scum" becuase their called that in the movies and your also "scum" because your called that in the movies.
*Imperials: The Empire's army is made up of the clones of "scum". By calling BHs "scum", even though an Imp called them that in TESB, your also insulting your Empire, as its army comes from "scum", and that means if you RP a ST your RPing a "scum" army, and if you dont, your still "scum" becuase you've chosen to affiliate yourself with it.
*Nuetrals: Your in the clear... this time...
Moral of the story: think before you speak, lest you insult yourself!
nice post but the clone troopers were long gone before.. ESB..
other than that hehe i agree with ya
Everitt_Cage wrote:
Thassk wrote:
first lucas doesnt specify a time .. but he clearly states the empire giving up its position on cloning because recruitment was more efficient .... now clones existed even BEFORE the empire there is no doubt that clones were part of the empire as well.. but the question here is whether or not clones made up the imperial army at the time of empire strikes back .. which imho .. it did not .. find me a quote which states it did .. and will happily concede that i was wrong ...
Message Edited by Thassk on 07-25-200512:47 PM
Why are we fixated w/ TESB? This game, first of all, takes place before that movie, right after the destruction of the 1st DS, a time period of a couple years. Secondly, while GL says in that quote that recruitment was more efficient, he in no way suggested that the clones that were already in service were taken out of service, which wouldnt make sense anyway, as they would be wasting something they already spent money on growing and training. What that quote does suggest, is that the ST population is a mix of clones and recruits, with possibly no more clones being grown, but the existing ones still being used until at some point in the future the more efficient recruitment option takes over completely. Regardless, those comments were in response to the subject of whether the STs in the OT were clones, and if you go to that website under the quote you'll see that context. Here is a direct quote from that page, including his comments once again:
One bit of conjecture Lucas finally laid to rest was the question of how close the link between clone troopers and stormtroopers was. He told MTV in an interview that the Empire's stormtroopers in the original series were in fact more of the same clones that form the Republican army in Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith – though by the time of A New Hope, stormtrooper ranks had swelled to include regular recruits as well.
"The idea is that over time, there were new clone strains introduced, and then they even conscripted guys to be Storm Troopers. So it's not just purely clones: It started out as clones, but then it got diluted over the years as they found out they could shanghai guys [more cheaply] than they could build clones."
Heres that link again if you want to read it http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/613/613366p1.html
we are fixed with TSB because that was the reference the poster i was replying to, made his post about. now im not sure why you are obsessed with trying to hold onto the idea that the imperial armies were made after clones 20 years after the fall of anakin ... but its simply is not the truth in my opinion..
p.s. no matter how many times you quote lucas's line of dialogue in that interview it doesnt change what he says
Message Edited by Thassk on 07-25-2005 01:20 PM
Thassk wrote:
first lucas doesnt specify a time .. but he clearly states the empire giving up its position on cloning because recruitment was more efficient .... now clones existed even BEFORE the empire there is no doubt that clones were part of the empire as well.. but the question here is whether or not clones made up the imperial army at the time of empire strikes back .. which imho .. it did not .. find me a quote which states it did .. and will happily concede that i was wrong ...
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Quiet420 wrote:
Thassk wrote:
first lucas doesnt specify a time .. but he clearly states the empire giving up its position on cloning because recruitment was more efficient .... now clones existed even BEFORE the empire there is no doubt that clones were part of the empire as well.. but the question here is whether or not clones made up the imperial army at the time of empire strikes back .. which imho .. it did not .. find me a quote which states it did .. and will happily concede that i was wrong ...
dunno how I feel about this one, but here ya go:
The first Stormtroopers were then called Republic clone troopers, they were clones of bounty hunter Jango Fett, who was killed at the Battle of Geonosis. The armor that they wore was later improved for use by future Imperial Stormtroopers. They turned on their Jedi Generals, by Order 66 of Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidious when the Galactic Empire was formed at the end of the Clone Wars.
In the original trilogy, some troopers appear to have vocal and height differences (notwithstanding Princess Leia's "a little short for a storm trooper" comment to Luke in Episode IV). This is because the clone stormtroopers of this era are grown using the DNA of multiple hosts. The Star Wars Expanded Universe also shows the Stormtrooper Corps is a mixture of clones and recruits, the latter of which are trained on the planet Carida.
During the Galactic Civil War, there was only one clone trooper that took sides with the Rebel Alliance. When the New Republic defeated the Empire years after the end of the Galactic Civil War and took over the machinery of galactic government, they terminated the Stormtrooper program, though the Imperial Remnant continued to use Stormtroopers in battle until a peace treaty was signed some years after. Following the treaty, Stormtroopers became little more than guards and police officers on Remnant worlds, though they fought along with their New Republic/GFFA comrades against the Yuuzhan Vong.
Message Edited by Thassk on 07-25-2005 02:46 PM
shadowdragon2k wrote:
i believe all this thread shows is that some of us Need to go out a little more i dunno get a hair cut maybe get a tan and deffintly GET A GIRL FRIEND!
may i add WHO gives a damn wether the base of the imperial army was clones or not THIS IS A GAME and THAT WAS A FILM its not Realy life you CANT get a fluresent tube and start swinging it around and "feel the force" its not there. ffs i bet on the week ends your lot are trekie's
Kevin Kereth no, i didn't pull it from there, odds are they pulled it from my source
Thassk wrote:
again you dont put a time down the galactic civil was started with palpatine and never ended... the base power shifted , but the way raged on ... like i said in my previous statements clones were present .. but they did not represent the base of the imperial army ..plus you got that quote from a thread .. from nightly.net in which that post was an answer to one of my posts LOL ... kinda funny ...
Thassk wrote:
nice post but the clone troopers were long gone before.. ESB..
other than that hehe i agree with ya
DesertHunter wrote:
Bounty Hunter Scum is the worst kind of scum.
Wear your scum with pride
Amen
Everitt_Cage wrote:
Thassk wrote:
nice post but the clone troopers were long gone before.. ESB..
other than that hehe i agree with ya
Not quite, check that quote from GL in my last post before this one.
Message Edited by Thassk on 07-25-2005 12:14 PM
Thassk wrote:
Everitt_Cage wrote:
Thassk wrote:
nice post but the clone troopers were long gone before.. ESB..
other than that hehe i agree with ya
Not quite, check that quote from GL in my last post before this one.
he says there storm troopers were recruited ... because it was cheaper ...i in fact have some posters authorized by lucas as advertisements to his new movies ...not full sized but replicas in a book.. ( and these were used yes .. to advertise some of the movie releases and also for WEST END games ) and they are pretend recruitment advertisementsforyoung adults.. emploring them to join the "imperial navy" and be trained as stormtroopers ...
as you know han solo was also in the service of the empire andatone time wore imperial composite armor ( which iswhat storm trooper and scout trooper armor is in fact considered)
also in the movies when watching the storm troopers and analyzing their behavior they dont act like clones... ( like the two ben kenobi was higing from while in the death star, having a worldly conversation about the new land speeder just put onto the market )..... and when luke was pretending to be one .. none of them took notice in the obvious difference in height between han solo and luke ...
Message Edited by Thassk on 07-25-2005 12:14 PM
I want you to look at this quote from GL himself, not from any books or posters:
"The idea is that over time, there were new clone strains introduced, and then they even conscripted guys to be Storm Troopers. So it's not just purely clones: It started out as clones, but then it got diluted over the years as they found out they could shanghai guys [more cheaply] than they could build clones."
http://filmforce.ign.com/starwars/articles/613/613366p1.html
Message Edited by Everitt_Cage on 07-25-2005 03:36 PM