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Thread: Could this be considered harassment?

primetime21
Sat Sep 03, 2005 10:11 pm
#1

I wasstalking a Jedi today, he is in a guild group and tanking. Finally the time was right and I attacked, incapped him run in for db and he gets db'd by a guild member. This really ticked me off, I knew he would be returning to the group as soon as I left. Instead of leaving I just sat there and wherever the group moved I followed them. They started sending me tells about how they were going to report me for harassing them. I just kept following them, making sure to never say a word to them or attack anything, andstaying about 75m out. Finally they all just went back to their guild hall and the Jedi sent me a tell saying I was griefing him because he could not take part in a guild event. I know I wasn't griefing the Jedi, but could it be considered harassment for following the group around even though i never interfered with anything they were doing?



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Everitt_Cage
Sat Sep 03, 2005 10:13 pm
#2

Nope. You werent following the group, you were following your mark. And all you were doing was waiting for the opportune moment to strike, which is what your supposed to do. You cant help it that he was in a group, the group wasnt your concern, he was.

primetime21
Sat Sep 03, 2005 10:24 pm
#3







Everitt_Cage wrote:
Nope. You werent following the group, you were following your mark. And all you were doing was waiting for the opportune moment to strike, which is what your supposed to do. You cant help it that he was in a group, the group wasnt your concern, he was.






I am not worried about anything about the Jedi, he was my mission. The point that is making me wonder is that he was sent to the cloner and never came back to the group because they must have told him I was hanging around. I then followed the group around without the Jedi there, until they decided to return to their guild hall where the Jedi was waiting.



Well, I left Dec. 3rd and like I promised I came back to give you another chance.
So Sony, impress me with the new system - not good enough, back to WoW 3/06 !
I am back again 3 months later giving you 1 last chance.
Looks like I will be staying, keep up your hard work.
zzzzz - cancelled - zzzzz - again - zzzzz - someone wake me up from this nightmare
Ialwysdie
Sat Sep 03, 2005 11:22 pm
#4






primetime21 wrote:







Everitt_Cage wrote:
Nope. You werent following the group, you were following your mark. And all you were doing was waiting for the opportune moment to strike, which is what your supposed to do. You cant help it that he was in a group, the group wasnt your concern, he was.






I am not worried about anything about the Jedi, he was my mission. The point that is making me wonder is that he was sent to the cloner and never came back to the group because they must have told him I was hanging around. I then followed the group around without the Jedi there, until they decided to return to their guild hall where the Jedi was waiting.




You should have left the area and continued to track your mark. Then return.

Grunzer
Sat Sep 03, 2005 11:34 pm
#5

no, as long as you weren't interfering with anyone else in the group and only following, it is not harrassment. Now if you were talking sh%t, even just in response, then yes it could be considered so.





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Quiet420
Sat Sep 03, 2005 11:54 pm
#6

Yes, it is harassment....and if you do it enough and are reported, you will get a visit from a grumpy CSR.


it all goes to intent....by not attacking, but staying in sight, and actively following, your making it clear that your goal is to abuse the system.


Basicly...you have to ask yourself...if this was a pen and paper game, like D&D and you were siting accross the table from your opponent, with the dungeon master handling the mechanics....would you still do this? this analogy works for anything that would make you ask "Could this be considered harassment?"...or anything that would make you ask "Could this be considered an exploit?"


here are some of the consequences of been a douche:


Players quit because they don’t like the negative experience


New players don’t join because they don’t want the hassle


Ethically ambivalent players get expelled (they wouldn’t have cheated or griefed if they knew they would get caught, and since they saw someone else get away with it...).


Increased customer service support costs to deal with complaints, real and perceived


Increased in-game customer service costs


Increased technical support costs to identify threats


Increased technical support costs to counter threats


Increased technical support costs to identify & remove malicious players

primetime21
Sun Sep 04, 2005 1:34 am
#7

Just a follow up for all the people that said it was harassment - I had a conversation with a CSR that replied to my ticket. Since I was staying away from the group andnot interfering with their gameplay, not responding to and sending messages or provoking creatures onto the group - everything I did was legitimate. The only person I had any interaction with was my target, and since I knew he was part of the group following them around was not harassing them. So if they pull this crap on me again, the group better be ready for me to follow them around.



Well, I left Dec. 3rd and like I promised I came back to give you another chance.
So Sony, impress me with the new system - not good enough, back to WoW 3/06 !
I am back again 3 months later giving you 1 last chance.
Looks like I will be staying, keep up your hard work.
zzzzz - cancelled - zzzzz - again - zzzzz - someone wake me up from this nightmare
primetime21
Sun Sep 04, 2005 1:58 am
#8






Quiet420 wrote:



oh well, might as well make use of this since its already here....the example of the squill cave, or any dungeon for that matter, or a city is a bit different....it's possible to blend in in a city, and people do grind and loot in dungeons, so there is a level of "cover"....but even then, If your making yourself obvious, it blows that cover....the situations I cited, and that the OP mentioned, were not in cities or in dungeons however, they were cases of a BH following a Jedi around from mission to mission in the wilds....which makes it blatently obvious.....the soloution (and I believe it is being worked on) is BH "Vis"....whereas if you have a mission on an individual as a BH, when in close proximity to your target, you will recieve tics of "vis", should you accumulate enough, the tef pops automaticly and the target is free to attack you.



Message Edited by Quiet420 on 09-04-2005 04:06 AM





The Jedi didn't have a clue I was there until I attacked him. I was under cover for almost an hour and a halfwatching them on the radar and crawling into a strategic position. They stayed within a 1024m area and would alternate back and forth between 2 areas. I just waited until they hit a lair nearby and watched him as I crawled in when he got low I opened up on him 2 shots he was down, I was up and running at him when I watched the guildmate shoot him with a pistol to db him. I immediately walked to about 75m away and mounted bike, but didn't leave. I knew that the Jedi was in the group as they were all in the same guild, so I figured he would come back or they would lead me to him. There is not and never will be BH visibilty as that would take away the BH element of surprise that they so nicelyforced upon the profession. So first of all it wasn't blatantly obvious, and if you ask me they deserve everything they get for using a cheap tactic to avoid the db.


I proudly where the title of Stalker just because that is what I do. Before I attack I know where you like to hunt, how efficient you are at killing the creatures you hunt, what foods you use aand when, and have a basic idea of what your template is by which skills you use. I then strategize as to what I need to do to take you down. I am one of those psychotic,scary old school Bounty Hunters, you look at my bio you see4 badges for skills mastered - Master Scout, Master Marksman, Master Bounty Hunter, Master Rifleman

Message Edited by primetime21 on 09-04-2005 04:15 AM



Well, I left Dec. 3rd and like I promised I came back to give you another chance.
So Sony, impress me with the new system - not good enough, back to WoW 3/06 !
I am back again 3 months later giving you 1 last chance.
Looks like I will be staying, keep up your hard work.
zzzzz - cancelled - zzzzz - again - zzzzz - someone wake me up from this nightmare
Retus
Sun Sep 04, 2005 2:07 am
#9

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Did they touch you physically?
Demio_Olaron
Sun Sep 04, 2005 9:38 am
#10

Everything is harassment! "OH NOES, I HAVE A BH FOLLOWING MEH AND THE JEDI CANT COME!11 OMG HARAssmrmdtne !111!!"

Jeesh, friggin grow up. It's not harassament, the Jedi could return at any time (he didn't cause he was a wus) and he wasnt kill stealing your mobs nor sending offensive tells, so no it's not harassment.



BIG PINK SIG!
AD_Maj
Sun Sep 04, 2005 9:59 am
#11

How in the world does another guildmate DB him ? Unless they were dueling that should be the harassment. Unless the group was holding glowsticks and you were getting them vis, there is no way that that is harassment.




AlphaDeltha
Pre-CU Bounty Hunter, and damn proud.
pure_rock_fury
Sun Sep 04, 2005 10:23 am
#12

ok, here is my 2 cents. The jedi who had a guildie take the db was wrong. You tracked, engaged, and got the incap. Good show, you should be paid. Unfortunately some take this game to seriously and can't just take the xp hit and move on. But upon being cheated, and yes i think you were, you sat around and "hoped he would come back or that his guild would lead you to him." I dont buy it. If you had truly wanted him to come back you would have gone elsewhere on the planet andwatched him with your droids. As to the second part, why would you need the guild to lead you to him? That is what droids are for. It would appear to me that you were upset about being cheated and so you decided that if he was so worried about taking an xp hit, then you would mill around and prevent him from getting anymore. You knew he wasn't going to come back while you stood right there. IMO you are both wrong. If it were me, I would not have reported you because it would be a waste of time. None the less, what you did was kinda lame. At least I think so. Not that what I think is of great importance, but I still need 40+ posts so I can get the edit option.
Kelb
Sun Sep 04, 2005 10:33 am
#13

/approve


Your tactics are absolutely legitimate.


Stalking a player (jedi or not) you don't have a mission for is harassment, plain and simple.


Stalking a player you have a mission for is doing your job.


On the other hand, I can understand his frustration at having to stand around while his guildies fight, because now he knows you are after him, and has to be prepared. I think I would have suggested to him that we just fight and get it over with (although I would've probably lost on those terms).


About the DB: Are you sure his guildie DB'ed and not a MOB? I thought that was supposed to be impossible now...





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