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Thread: getting tired of hunting jedi lately
Akast wrote:
its hard enough finding a fight these days but when i do, i know if they dont die in first strike im 90% sure there gonner run, and my snare never sticks. i know its a jedi job to survive and they shouldnt lay down and die, but when ther happy to try and kill me, untill ther mind/force gets low, then they dont wanna fight. my last 25 hunts have ended in 20 jedi running and the other 5 dying. just getting a bit tired of it thats all.
Message Edited by AD_Maj on 10-23-2005 08:51 PM
Akast wrote:
its hard enough finding a fight these days but when i do, i know if they dont die in first strike im 90% sure there gonner run, and my snare never sticks. i know its a jedi job to survive and they shouldnt lay down and die, but when ther happy to try and kill me, untill ther mind/force gets low, then they dont wanna fight. my last 25 hunts have ended in 20 jedi running and the other 5 dying. just getting a bit tired of it thats all.
There is absolutely ZERO insentive for a Jedi to stay and fight a BH. Now that the odds are quite clearly stacked against a Jedi in 1vs1 BH/Jedi fights with all the SL crap, snares and just general CM uberness, quite frankly, you're not worth the risk.
Before all these nerfs I personally would stand and fight. Now? No thanks. You're not worth the 4-6 hour grind.
Yeah, REMOVE XP LOSS!!!
I am sick of Jedi running, all day yesterday I had runners. Fight till near death or losing, then stasis/rood and leg it!
Last week, I had a cloaker, this other BH turned up and we waited while he ran around the starport, thorowing fire at him etc. He was having a laugh really (good on him) so this other BH leaves after 20 mins or so. I leave too.
I catch him later, he fights me, then sends me tells complaining that I am kiting too much (I try not to, it encourages them to stay and fight) He says that if I dont stop he will just run off and cloak.
So I went toe to toe with him, fight goes on and on, was good fun. I root him accidently so think well, I'll just run back 10 meters (may as well take advantage of it) As I was moving back his health was dropping severly without much healing.
You know that instinctive feeling you get when you know they are on their last legs? I had it then.
He simply says something like 'i told you to stop running, seeya' and with that he kd's me and cloakes. Hmmmm. I was a bit pssed off tbh.
So, get rid of xp loss, we will get our content, Jedi will be happy too.
I do not care about xp loss anymore, Jedi make it back in no time at all now days anyhow.
GET RID OF IT!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!
Stecoli wrote:
Fallak wrote:
There is absolutely ZERO insentive for a Jedi to stay and fight a BH. Now that the odds are quite clearly stacked against a Jedi in 1vs1 BH/Jedi fights with all the SL crap, snares and just general CM uberness, quite frankly, you're not worth the risk.
Before all these nerfs I personally would stand and fight. Now? No thanks. You're not worth the
4-6 hour grind1 hour grind while AFK.
fixed.
oh and before you than kme, no problem...........
Spent 2 hours the other night in a group (not spin) and didnt break 100K mark. Even if it was an hour to re-gain the lost XP, you're not even worth that
Message Edited by Fallak on 10-24-2005 01:28 AM
Akast wrote:
its hard enough finding a fight these days but when i do, i know if they dont die in first strike im 90% sure there gonner run, and my snare never sticks. i know its a jedi job to survive and they shouldnt lay down and die, but when ther happy to try and kill me, untill ther mind/force gets low, then they dont wanna fight. my last 25 hunts have ended in 20 jedi running and the other 5 dying. just getting a bit tired of it thats all.
There's no incentive. In fact it's better that we run. Everytime we stand, fight, and win, we get nerfed.
Seriously, what's the point? Jedi are being nerfed constantly. A couple more and we'll be no more challenging than killing Nunas.
Message Edited by Grunzer on 10-24-2005 02:15 AM
Digitalalchemyzt wrote:
one word...POST CU JEDI
which makes me an exception cuz i am one myself. i cant STAND my whiney brethren. these are the same ones that dont want to be hunted aka NOT having forced pvp via hunted by bhs....
And did it ever occur to you that removing forced pvp would go a long way to solving these problems? If the BH knew when taking a mission that the mark wasn't likely to run, because they like pvp and they are happy with their template and/or ls, then the BH would stand to benefit. Basically, it would make it possible to match a willing BH with a willing Jedi, they both are cool with PVP and chances are it would be more satisfying for the BH. That's precisely what the OP is complaining about -- that there's a large number of Jedi who don't want to fight (and perhaps justifiably so).
As Jedi keep getting nerfed, it will probably be harder and harder for BHs to find missions for the ones who'd be willing to fight... and chances are those that they get to fight are the ones who can still pwn most BHs.
When players don't like to pvp (or at least to be in forced pvp), you can't make them accept it by giving them weaker templates and make them face someone who has all the advantages the game can offer (first strike, AB resistant armor, fully capped weapons, powerful debuffs, etc).
Mina- wrote:
pussycat wrote:
Digitalalchemyzt wrote:
one word...POST CU JEDI
which makes me an exception cuz i am one myself. i cant STAND my whiney brethren. these are the same ones that dont want to be hunted aka NOT having forced pvp via hunted by bhs....
And did it ever occur to you that removing forced pvp would go a long way to solving these problems? If the BH knew when taking a mission that the mark wasn't likely to run, because they like pvp and they are happy with their template and/or ls, then the BH would stand to benefit. Basically, it would make it possible to match a willing BH with a willing Jedi, they both are cool with PVP and chances are it would be more satisfying for the BH. That's precisely what the OP is complaining about -- that there's a large number of Jedi who don't want to fight (and perhaps justifiably so).
As Jedi keep getting nerfed, it will probably be harder and harder for BHs to find missions for the ones who'd be willing to fight... and chances are those that they get to fight are the ones who can still pwn most BHs.
When players don't like to pvp (or at least to be in forced pvp), you can't make them accept it by giving them weaker templates and make them face someone who has all the advantages the game can offer (first strike, AB resistant armor, fully capped weapons, powerful debuffs, etc).
If players dont want pvp then they shouldnt be jedi, its a pvp prof, why do you think all forced ranked jedi were overt. dont complain about forced pvp because its not,
You are 100% wrong. Jedi is NOT a pvp profession. You do know that the BHs may come for you, but the JEDI still has in most cases the CHOICE not to pvp. Jedi who went into FRS were perma-overt because the system did not allow any choice, if you wanted to advance in the Jedi ranks. A lot of folks like to have a Jedi even tho they don't want to pvp, that's a fact, deal with it or live in denial.
Oh, and ppl have every right to complaint about stuff in the game they think should be changed, just like so many BHs whine about Jedi who are afk in their homes. You should have known when you became BH that some marks would not be attackable due to being afk in their homes. So you should deal with it or you shouldn't be a BH.
BobaFettish wrote:
Digitalalchemyzt wrote:
one word...POST CU JEDI
which makes me an exception cuz i am one myself. i cant STAND my whiney brethren. these are the same ones that dont want to be hunted aka NOT having forced pvp via hunted by bhs....
And did it ever occur to you that removing forced pvp would go a long way to solving these problems? If the BH knew when taking a mission that the mark wasn't likely to run, because they like pvp and they are happy with their template and/or ls, then the BH would stand to benefit. Basically, it would make it possible to match a willing BH with a willing Jedi, they both are cool with PVP and chances are it would be more satisfying for the BH. That's precisely what the OP is complaining about -- that there's a large number of Jedi who don't want to fight (and perhaps justifiably so).
As Jedi keep getting nerfed, it will probably be harder and harder for BHs to find missions for the ones who'd be willing to fight... and chances are those that they get to fight are the ones who can still pwn most BHs.
When players don't like to pvp (or at least to be in forced pvp), you can't make them accept it by giving them weaker templates and make them face someone who has all the advantages the game can offer (first strike, AB resistant armor, fully capped weapons, powerful debuffs, etc).------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------No because when you Become a Jedi, you are accepting the fact that you might be hunted.If you want to show off & pull out your tool in public, you are saying "I'm a Jedi, Come & get me"!!!Don't Like it?Don't become a Jedi..!!!You acept the rules of the game when you accept the TOS.Don't come into this game & tell everyone that they need to Change the Rules just for you , cause you don't like them (even though you have agreed to them).Jedi are Here to be hunted, thats the whole reason for their existance in SWG & if you don't want it to be that way, you know where the "Cancell Account" button is.
Yeah, accepting the fact that one might be hunted does not mean that you'll actually fight a BH when it's easier to make a quick getaway and wave the BH good-bye!
Not all Jedi show off their lightsabers in public; the ones that do are usually the consumate pvp'ers with near-perfect lightsabers who *do* want BH's to come after them because it amuses them.
And if you had even bothered to read the other posts, you'd see that the only effect of all the Jedi nerfing and unbalanced BH skills and abilities is that.... most BHs can't get Jedi to fight them anymore, so you end up wasting all of your time and effort when you could be doing NPC missions and getting good loot.
That's the way it is *because* of the forced pvp, and if you don't like it, you too can hit your "cancel account" button.
BobaFettish wrote:
Digitalalchemyzt wrote:
one word...POST CU JEDI
which makes me an exception cuz i am one myself. i cant STAND my whiney brethren. these are the same ones that dont want to be hunted aka NOT having forced pvp via hunted by bhs....
And did it ever occur to you that removing forced pvp would go a long way to solving these problems? If the BH knew when taking a mission that the mark wasn't likely to run, because they like pvp and they are happy with their template and/or ls, then the BH would stand to benefit. Basically, it would make it possible to match a willing BH with a willing Jedi, they both are cool with PVP and chances are it would be more satisfying for the BH. That's precisely what the OP is complaining about -- that there's a large number of Jedi who don't want to fight (and perhaps justifiably so).
As Jedi keep getting nerfed, it will probably be harder and harder for BHs to find missions for the ones who'd be willing to fight... and chances are those that they get to fight are the ones who can still pwn most BHs.
When players don't like to pvp (or at least to be in forced pvp), you can't make them accept it by giving them weaker templates and make them face someone who has all the advantages the game can offer (first strike, AB resistant armor, fully capped weapons, powerful debuffs, etc).------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------No because when you Become a Jedi, you are accepting the fact that you might be hunted.If you want to show off & pull out your tool in public, you are saying "I'm a Jedi, Come & get me"!!!Don't Like it?Don't become a Jedi..!!!You acept the rules of the game when you accept the TOS.Don't come into this game & tell everyone that they need to Change the Rules just for you , cause you don't like them (even though you have agreed to them).Jedi are Here to be hunted, thats the whole reason for their existance in SWG & if you don't want it to be that way, you know where the "Cancell Account" button is.
I could buy this argument more, if there was still the ingame email stating you could be hunting for showing your jedi skills. AFAIK there is no longer that email sent when you unlock, and there is no ingame info stating that once you go jedi you are barred from working on 70-90% of the games quests and content.
More and more people are grinding toward jedi because its 'cool', without realizing whats in store for them. Is there a definative list of what can and cant give visability in the game? no, its all conjecture, and without reading the forums, you wouldnt know much about it.
BobaFettish wrote:
Digitalalchemyzt wrote:
one word...POST CU JEDI
which makes me an exception cuz i am one myself. i cant STAND my whiney brethren. these are the same ones that dont want to be hunted aka NOT having forced pvp via hunted by bhs....
And did it ever occur to you that removing forced pvp would go a long way to solving these problems? If the BH knew when taking a mission that the mark wasn't likely to run, because they like pvp and they are happy with their template and/or ls, then the BH would stand to benefit. Basically, it would make it possible to match a willing BH with a willing Jedi, they both are cool with PVP and chances are it would be more satisfying for the BH. That's precisely what the OP is complaining about -- that there's a large number of Jedi who don't want to fight (and perhaps justifiably so).
As Jedi keep getting nerfed, it will probably be harder and harder for BHs to find missions for the ones who'd be willing to fight... and chances are those that they get to fight are the ones who can still pwn most BHs.
When players don't like to pvp (or at least to be in forced pvp), you can't make them accept it by giving them weaker templates and make them face someone who has all the advantages the game can offer (first strike, AB resistant armor, fully capped weapons, powerful debuffs, etc).
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No because when you Become a Jedi, you are accepting the fact that you might be hunted.
If you want to show off & pull out your tool in public, you are saying "I'm a Jedi, Come & get me"!!!
Don't Like it?
Don't become a Jedi..!!!
You acept the rules of the game when you accept the TOS.
Don't come into this game & tell everyone that they need to Change the Rules just for you , cause you don't like them (even though you have agreed to them).
Jedi are Here to be hunted, thats the whole reason for their existance in SWG & if you don't want it to be that way, you know where the "Cancell Account" button is.
You accept that you might be hunted because that it the way the DEVS designed the game to try and slow down the Jedi population, unfortunately it didnt work and has only brought about this distasteful apathy we call a game. The idea of the CU was to bring balance to the game and to every profession, but how can you claim a balance when the outcome of a fight between Jedi and BH is unbalanced to start with? The Jedi has XP to lose the BH nothing, or in both cases pride. This is not balanced, never mind the hotfix nerfs etc the professions have been getting since CU (not just the Jedi)
You accept you will be hunted because you have to, you have no choice. If they said right ok you cant be hunted while a padawan but if you take the Knight trials you will automatically be placed on the terms, forget about VIS altogether, then you would have a choice and the BH would have some decent Marks to go after, plus the Jedi would have a choice, just like they do about being permanent overt.
As for Jedi being here to be hunted that is a cop out. I use my Jedi alt to help my friends on PvE missions, knowing full well that if the mission they require help on has NPC's then I will be on the terminals. I dont show off I dont even wear my robes or hold my saber in public. I certainly dont duel in starports, and I dont wear my padawan tag, but do you honestly think it fair that I be hunted for helping my friends out on their missions?
It saddens me to see the ill feeling this game mechanic has brought in to this game, and for that reason alone the system should be changed. There is no fun in XP loss.
Regards
Elrac
Every BH that gets tired of hunting jedi, should simply surrender their MBH box and get on with their lives. To me, hunting jedi is the main thing in game. I have had a Jedi for a long time, and I enjoy being hunted. I can congratulate any polite BH that gets me down. If you succeed, congrats!
Its a *GAME* people. A *GAME*.
Perhaps I just lack the testosteron required to participate in this discussion, lol!
I can't speak for the entire jedi community on this, but I would like to address the people who claim that removing XP loss will encourage Jedi to stand and fight. This is insane. The XP loss while irritating is not why jedi run. Jedi run because they are going to lose. No one likes to lose. Jedi don't, BH don't. As it stands currently most jedi have no real chance of winning. It is not a matter of "learning your temp" as many people claim. The facts are very clear on this. Jedi dmg output is not enough to over come the 4000 CM healing ability, much less a MCM. Yes, I do understand that there are some great Jedi out there, with preCU sabers that can prove my previous statement to be incorrect. However, the vast majority of jedi do not fit into this category. If it was a skill v skill fight then sometimes the BH would win and sometimes the Jedi would win. Unfortunatley it has become a fight of equipment. While I understand that both sides will eventually spend massive amounts of credits to get the best possible equipment it remains true at this point in time that BH equipment far outstrips jedi equipment (obviously discounting precu sabers which are held by a small minority). That leaves two choices for the devs to make to bring the fun back into the hunt, so to speak. Choice 1 is to bring healing into line with damage output. I personally think this is a crappy idea. We all know that nerifng sucks and unbalances the greater game while attempting to balance a small part of it. Option 2 is start allowing for drops of better pearls. This would let the jedi (hopefully) match a BH for potential equipment. I personally think this is the best option. It brings balance to this small area of the game, and really doesn't effect the pve side. While I understand that jedi will be able to do more damage in pve, it really won't be anymore than a normal proffession can.
Thank you for taking the time to read my thoughts. I am a reasonable person and Ibelieve thatthe BH/Jedi aspect of this game is incredible. At the same time I find the current state of that aspect to be more than unfortunate. Stop the hate, get back to your roots.
/salute to the great BHs out there who have taken the time to perfect their craft and who bring enjoyment to my game play.