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Thread: Stop jedi gamebreaking hiding!
DarkStarRa wrote:Well, Lets see they put BH in the game to hunt other players (For now only Jedi) So i would assume that makes you a BH's content.. Now, did i miss the announcement that they put houses in the game for you to hide in and waste peoples time? Or did someone come up with a cheep way to exploit something, like always?Anyway, I'm not trying to argue about it.. Just wait and see how long it is left in the game and how much it is abused is my only idea for you.
BH's were in the game long before any player bounty system was around.
2 : to make use of meanly or unjustly for one's own advantage <exploiting migrant farm workers>
- ex·ploit·able /-'splo i-t&-b&l/ adjective
Talk about it all you want, I really don't mind.
NoviceRangerFlurry wrote:
Demio_Olaron wrote:
And you guys still wonder why all the BH / Jedi hate? It's not only about the BH attitude but it's also about the Jedi atitude. If people stopped being so childish to the point of saying "Cry more n00b" and instead started giving some constructive criticism I think the game and the players would benefit from it. It's sad that people will do anything just to annoy the opposing party.
I was a BH but I didn't "grief" my marks (well, only once when the mark said that would pay me if I incapped and he didn't and then I chased him around Lok for 1h untill I got the DB) but I generally dont flame / send hate tells or do anything just to piss them off.
On the contraire, if you read the Jedi forums you can read how jedi always try to piss off the bounty hunters. They sit AFK in their houses to piss them off (well, 1% might not be to piss the BHs off but from what I've read, Jedi are actually proud for doing this).
Others will do other stuff such as the friendly duel / db exploit. And I read in this thread somewhere that a jedi would deny all BHs pvp "just out of spite"? No you want PVP go SF and than all jedi would be happy to fight you, fact is you hunt Jedi Jedi = lost Jedi XP and therefore time. I have yet to see 5 quests in the game a Jedi can do and not get VIS. There is no content at all for Jedi, theres plenty for a BH to do, quests and missions and that does not include Jedi hunting!What we as Jedi dislike, is to be halfway through something and a bh comes and attacks or crafting sabers and Bh comes and say's "come out, I've come to kill you". Now does this not say something about how the system is working now, the first strike and pick your moment to attack when the Jedi's defences are down(ROFL). Hardly a case of that in this example is there, ooh tell Jedi I'm hunting him and let him eat etc!
Dev's stated it would be one on one, well we all know thats rubbish. But Jedi have been made weak for your one on one and you wonder why Jedi are doing things to try and put you off hunting them!
What's up with the idiotic and childish attitude? I'm not saying that all Jedi are like this, nor that no BH acts childish, and my opinion might be a bit biased since I was a BH before I cancelled my account.
But really, why don't the players compromise? I kinda agree that a jedi should be able to get some saftyness in their house to go AFK for a few minutes but staying for more than 30 mins afk in a house? Thats just childish.
TBH, most of the players (read BHs / Jedi) in this game act as 10 year old retards who will do anything to grief the other but that might just be my prespective.
Well, the Jedi knew that they were going to be hunted when they decided to be a Jedi so there's no complaining bout that. And I have no problems with Jedi running away from BHs to prevent XP loss.
But tell me, how does the fact of a jedi being AFK for hours / days inside a private house just to piss off bounty hunters help the said jedi? It doesn't put the BHs away from him, it just generates more hatred and aggravates the situation between BHs a Jedi.
This kind of friction is what makes the BHs hate the Jedi. It's their elitist, arrogant and childish attitude (I'm by no means implying all Jedi are like this, but many of the jedi I met are like that).
Also there are childish Bounty Hunters, there are bouty hunters that send hate tells. It's not only the Jedi. Those bounty hunters should at least try to show some respect for their peers.
Or at least do what I do - treat them with respect untill they do something to stop deserving that respect (aka, flame you, etc).
Message Edited by darkrelease on 09-22-2005 06:04 AM
DarkStarRa wrote:
Ahh I'm not saying it shouldn't be allowed in the game to kill your own faction.. I just don't think it a cool move really on a personal note.
And i wouldn't say the BH wasted 3 hours of the Jedi's time.. I would say the dev's wasted 3 hours of your time by purposefullymaking it an xp loss for you though.. But that isn't really the BH's fault.If there was a way to get the win and the credits with letting Jedi live some BH's prob would when asked.. There isn't though. Might be kind of cool to have a mercy win though lol
But yeah, I am all for houses and doing things AFK and having quite awhile to be AFK.. I am only against people not signing off at night or whatever with the intention of only staying on the lists and not really accomplishing anything for anyone.
And I would reply with it ain't the Jedi fault for wasting your time when he hides in a house, it is the Devs fault for making houses safe and leaving recusive macro's in the game, but hey if they are there I sure as hell am gonna use them as they make my life easier. while saying this tho I will state that I do not sit in my house with the sole intention of wasting a bh's time, but I do have my Jedi logged in sometime when I am on my alt. Now this acheives the same result to the BH but with the distintion that I am not doing it specifically to waste bh's time.
I really don't care that much about exp loss as I played CoH for a while and they have exp debt for every death in PVE and none in PVP so I am well used to grinding exp debt off
DarkStarRa wrote:
"Thus sitting in a house afk with no jedi macros running is a great way to reduce vis and get your name off the bh terms thus making less bh's come after you."
How long can you stay on without a macro? I get booted after maybe 30 minutes lol
"And I would reply with it ain't the Jedi fault for wasting your time when he hides in a house, it is the Devs fault for making houses safe and leaving recusive macro's in the game, but hey if they are there I sure as hell am gonna use them as they make my life easier."
Which is why i use the word exploit. I dont know how the offline thing works for a Jedi's alt.. How long will it let you stay AFK with no macro when your not doing anything?
Anyway folks, I have put way too much energy into a conversation that really doesn't even effect me lol And i am getting sleepy.
Have fun, Stay safe, All that good stuff!
Sorry when I said I played my alt when my Jedi is in my house I meant my other non jedi account, as soon as you log on your Jedi alt it logs your Jedi out automatically.
I would still stand by my opinion that afk in a house is not an exploit, as it is using non bugged in-game mechanisms, and as yet I have not heard of anyone being banned or suspended for being afk in their houses.
I also think it is around 30 minutes or so that you will remain ingame with no macro going, but tbh I have never really bothered checking this as I have always used an afk macro to keep me ingame even if I am at the keyboard playing my chars. I have had to as in the past this stupid game has logged me out when I have happily been sitting in Theed Cantina chatting in guild
Jargal wrote:
There's two thing that should have been adjusted long time ago, right after the BH terms got nerfed.
Since we BHs has accepted the fact that we cant know a thing about our marks when we go out for a hunt, jedi should have to accept two things, as a compromise.
The first thing is househiding. Theres not a single good thing coming out of this feature, only BH annoyance. This even increases the BH-jedi hate. Jedi doesnt get a single xp or any other benefits other than annoying all BHs coming to a house where a jedi sits AFK for hours and hours.
A BH lockpick, made bysmugglers would let the BH inside the house after a 30 sec timer and an possible alarm setting off. This would give the jedi a fair amount of time to prepare for the fight and the BH wouldnt have an other gamebreaking mission. A fair fight for both.
The second is a natural result of the thing above. The spacehiding. If we fix househiding then spacehiding would be fixed at the same time. BH should be able to fire at a jedis ship and force it to emergencyland on the closest planet if 'blow up'. Of course the jedi should have the possibility to jump to hyperspace when attacked to get away. When the jedi has crashlanded on the closest planet, the BH should be able to track him there as usual.
This two imporvments should make jedi more hunted of course, but being hunted of all the galaxy's BHs should be a nightmare. All online jedi that are wanted should be huntable. Theres no good in having house/space hiding...make jedis avalible for BHs to hunt now.
Today BHs spend hour after hours doing the same thing...ending up frustrated outside a jedis house while he is AFK dancing inside. That doesnt improve this games publicity.
I want to see a more alive jedi-BH pvp.
It boils down to this.
The Jedi has no reason to fight.
If he loses he get's xp
If he wins the bh loses nothing
If he wins the jedi get's nothing
Until there is a reason for Jedi to fight you will see some run rther than fight and drop a house to hide in if need be. If they drop a house then TEF them so they cannot get in, if you are too far away then thats the break.
Remember it's a player and not a NPC so there is more brains behind the toon.
If you want Jedi to always fight then come up with a non-exploitive way to give them an incentive. Removal of xp loss wont do it because those with BH alts will sit at the terms until they get their alts mission and farm cash. My guess any incentive would have to be along the lines that the BH loses something in some way.
"... But i am only talking about people who are doing it for hours and hours on end with the soul idea of wasting someone elses time."
From the jedi perspective, that is all that the BH profession is, a waste of thier time. So are you suggesting the removal or change to the the BH profession because "it's dumb" and wasting peoples time?