Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: Stop jedi gamebreaking hiding!
I feel that running a recursive macro that prevents you from afk logging out is a problem...Didnt they say they were going to remove macros anyways...
Pootle wrote:
I have to say that I find it amazing that Jargal is still posting his ill conceived ideas despite the countless posts from BOTH Jedi and BH's battering him left right and centre. I think we have a maschoist on our hands guys, there is no other explanation.
Fargal: get a clue, the fact that two proffessions that are normally at each others throats are teaming with each other to slam your posts should give you an idea that this is not the best thing you have come up with. Go away, think about things and only come back when you have had all these negative posts explained to you properly as you have made it clear that you just don't have the slightest bit of comprehension about this area of the game (or at least a balance view)
Yea, and afk macroing to stay online is not illegal. IT is not an exploit and it is not game breaking. Almost everyone in this game does afk macroing at 1 time or another. Heck, when im doing factory runs of health enhancer segments and cores, I will macro away and watch some tv while I wait on the 30 minute to 40 minute runs for 10 segments. I dont want to sit at my comp and watch the paint rust on the factories while I wait. By the same token, with the slow load times on chilly, i dont want to log out and then back in 30 minutes later and have to wait 5 to 6 minutes to load in. So I afk away. When soe takes away the ability to macro and stay online, then I will be concerned about the OP's complaint. Til then, he needs to s-uck it up and just deal with lifes little curveballs.
Kakabus wrote:
LOL....crafting? AFK = Away From Keyboard....Unless they are using a 3rd party marco to afk craft...which is an exploit...They are runninga /clap macro or something close to it which will prevent them from afk logging out...
Corina_Deepstarr wrote:
Jargal wrote:
Sure, all jedi has the right to privacy...exept when they are on the terms. Thats my point.
And some of you has still not understood the differance between hermit life and househiding.
I'll explain the last time for you that dont still get it....
Hermit life = Jedi style grinding life. Far out in the wilderness. Grinding solo for no risk of getting up on the terms. This is a good thing, that very, very few jedi actaully do. It requires much dicipline and most jedis lack that. I have no problems with hermits living several clicks from the closest town/outpost. This type of jedi I respect.
Househiding = Jedi is AFK inside his house. This makes him a avalible target on the terms. Being a avalible target makes BHs pick his mission and go searching for this mark. After a complete searchroutine the BH ends up outside his house. The BH aborts the mission after waiting a period of time, goes back and does it all over again with the same result on some other mark. Today 5 of 6 mission is like this. AFK househiding has become a major problem that consumes alot of time and annoyment. This type of jedi often lives in the middle of a player city or very close to a big city/outpost.
The reasons jedi does this seems to be two - one is that they like to annoy us BHs and the second they have stated in this thread is that they think jedi is not strong enough in pvp and thats thier right to go AFK in thier houseto hide. The househiding problem wasnt around this much pre-cu when jedi was 'stronger'. I know, since I've hunted jedis since publ 9.
The solution is to give BHs lockpick tools or an extra mission slot for BH missions. One extra mission slot would give us something to do while we wait for the househiders.
One other solution someone herewrote was to remove the AFK househiders from the terms after 20 min in a house and at the same time stop the vis-timer. And when the jedi goes outside the vis-timer starts again.
The solution is you get a CLUE. Drop the mission and pull another one instead of trying to invade another players personal space. If you don't like it thata Jedi who is on the terms is in a house AFK or doing his or her own thing like crafting then THOUGH.
People like you are incredible. I have every right to log on my Jedi and sit in my house and chat with my friends and you as a BH have every right to circle my house 2 million times in frustration. If I have to put up with the fact that there is nothing in it for me to fight you then you can put up with pulling another mission and deal with inconvience.
Message Edited by freedomwarrior on 09-21-2005 03:38 PM
freedomwarrior wrote:
Yea, and afk macroing to stay online is not illegal. IT is not an exploit and it is not game breaking. Almost everyone in this game does afk macroing at 1 time or another. Heck, when im doing factory runs of health enhancer segments and cores, I will macro away and watch some tv while I wait on the 30 minute to 40 minute runs for 10 segments. I dont want to sit at my comp and watch the paint rust on the factories while I wait. By the same token, with the slow load times on chilly, i dont want to log out and then back in 30 minutes later and have to wait 5 to 6 minutes to load in. So I afk away. When soe takes away the ability to macro and stay online, then I will be concerned about the OP's complaint. Til then, he needs to s-uck it up and just deal with lifes little curveballs.
Kakabus wrote:
LOL....crafting? AFK = Away From Keyboard....Unless they are using a 3rd party marco to afk craft...which is an exploit...They are runninga /clap macro or something close to it which will prevent them from afk logging out...
Corina_Deepstarr wrote:
Jargal wrote:
Sure, all jedi has the right to privacy...exept when they are on the terms. Thats my point.
And some of you has still not understood the differance between hermit life and househiding.
I'll explain the last time for you that dont still get it....
Hermit life = Jedi style grinding life. Far out in the wilderness. Grinding solo for no risk of getting up on the terms. This is a good thing, that very, very few jedi actaully do. It requires much dicipline and most jedis lack that. I have no problems with hermits living several clicks from the closest town/outpost. This type of jedi I respect.
Househiding = Jedi is AFK inside his house. This makes him a avalible target on the terms. Being a avalible target makes BHs pick his mission and go searching for this mark. After a complete searchroutine the BH ends up outside his house. The BH aborts the mission after waiting a period of time, goes back and does it all over again with the same result on some other mark. Today 5 of 6 mission is like this. AFK househiding has become a major problem that consumes alot of time and annoyment. This type of jedi often lives in the middle of a player city or very close to a big city/outpost.
The reasons jedi does this seems to be two - one is that they like to annoy us BHs and the second they have stated in this thread is that they think jedi is not strong enough in pvp and thats thier right to go AFK in thier houseto hide. The househiding problem wasnt around this much pre-cu when jedi was 'stronger'. I know, since I've hunted jedis since publ 9.
The solution is to give BHs lockpick tools or an extra mission slot for BH missions. One extra mission slot would give us something to do while we wait for the househiders.
One other solution someone herewrote was to remove the AFK househiders from the terms after 20 min in a house and at the same time stop the vis-timer. And when the jedi goes outside the vis-timer starts again.
The solution is you get a CLUE. Drop the mission and pull another one instead of trying to invade another players personal space. If you don't like it thata Jedi who is on the terms is in a house AFK or doing his or her own thing like crafting then THOUGH.
People like you are incredible. I have every right to log on my Jedi and sit in my house and chat with my friends and you as a BH have every right to circle my house 2 million times in frustration. If I have to put up with the fact that there is nothing in it for me to fight you then you can put up with pulling another mission and deal with inconvience.
Message Edited by freedomwarrior on 09-21-2005 03:38 PM
I will just add, if you are on TS or just typing in chat you can be logged for inactivity, it has happened to me. Unless you move or emote every once in a while you will get dumped.
Another point for original poster. You do not have to fight the Jedi 15 min after you pull the mission, you are supposed to stalk your prey. It is supposed to be hard. Regular destroy missions can be completed in 15 min and pay 10k, regular BH NPC missions take 30 min or so with travel, less on populated planet..30k. What makes you think you should be able to complete a 226k Mission in 20 min? Why do you think missions decay over 3 days?
Kakabus wrote:
LOL....crafting? AFK = Away From Keyboard....Unless they are using a 3rd party marco to afk craft...which is an exploit...They are runninga /clap macro or something close to it which will prevent them from afk logging out...
Message Edited by Elisar on 09-22-2005 05:51 AM
DarkStarRa wrote:
Why are you a Jedi when you know you are going to be hunted? Sounds like you picked the wrong job, all things considered.
And thank you for proving my point... That is exactly why people shouldn't be allowed to do it. You aren't accomplishing anything good for you char or anyone else. Your just trying to piss off a BH by using an exploit. Hey, Atleast you are honest about it.
HAHAHAHAHA! He just dosent get it. Jedi Do know they will be hunted. But we only want to be hunted by nice BH who dont act like 3yr olds when they win and 2 yr olds when they lose.. and except the fact that it IS a JEDI's job to avoid and evade... and if you are dumb enough to camp out a Jedi's house for hours on end in the vain hope of him coming out to give you an easy kill, or to simply amuse you if he's temp'd, you deserve all the annoyance you can get.
BTW maybe all you grief minded BH will have this discussion again.... when you finally become JEDI... and you will... and everyone knows it
Demio_Olaron wrote:
And you guys still wonder why all the BH / Jedi hate? It's not only about the BH attitude but it's also about the Jedi atitude. If people stopped being so childish to the point of saying "Cry more n00b" and instead started giving some constructive criticism I think the game and the players would benefit from it. It's sad that people will do anything just to annoy the opposing party.
I was a BH but I didn't "grief" my marks (well, only once when the mark said that would pay me if I incapped and he didn't and then I chased him around Lok for 1h untill I got the DB) but I generally dont flame / send hate tells or do anything just to piss them off.
On the contraire, if you read the Jedi forums you can read how jedi always try to piss off the bounty hunters. They sit AFK in their houses to piss them off (well, 1% might not be to piss the BHs off but from what I've read, Jedi are actually proud for doing this).
Others will do other stuff such as the friendly duel / db exploit. And I read in this thread somewhere that a jedi would deny all BHs pvp "just out of spite"? No you want PVP go SF and than all jedi would be happy to fight you, fact is you hunt Jedi Jedi = lost Jedi XP and therefore time. I have yet to see 5 quests in the game a Jedi can do and not get VIS. There is no content at all for Jedi, theres plenty for a BH to do, quests and missions and that does not include Jedi hunting!
What we as Jedi dislike, is to be halfway through something and a bh comes and attacks or crafting sabers and Bh comes and say's "come out, I've come to kill you". Now does this not say something about how the system is working now, the first strike and pick your moment to attack when the Jedi's defences are down(ROFL). Hardly a case of that in this example is there, ooh tell Jedi I'm hunting him and let him eat etc!
Dev's stated it would be one on one, well we all know thats rubbish. But Jedi have been made weak for your one on one and you wonder why Jedi are doing things to try and put you off hunting them!
What's up with the idiotic and childish attitude? I'm not saying that all Jedi are like this, nor that no BH acts childish, and my opinion might be a bit biased since I was a BH before I cancelled my account.
But really, why don't the players compromise? I kinda agree that a jedi should be able to get some saftyness in their house to go AFK for a few minutes but staying for more than 30 mins afk in a house? Thats just childish.
TBH, most of the players (read BHs / Jedi) in this game act as 10 year old retards who will do anything to grief the other but that might just be my prespective.
Darkstarra:
Soon as you send me the 42.99 for my 3 month prescription, as I said, then I will conform to what you think I should do. Til then mate, bugger off, im gonna make it my content to ruin yours. Maybe then you respec bh will return to wence you came. Incidently, ask most bh on the server, they will tell you that my jedi isnt pulled out a whole lot, and when he is, predominately its to Role play or to move a house or something to this affect. Then he will afk online while I decide if I like the house where it is, or need this factory moved there, etc. So he could actually be online for 3 to 4 hours at any given time as I am also one of the busiest armorsmiths on my server right now. I also do get a little enjoyment out of watching the newb bh come for him and get aggravated and walk into my shop complaining. I laugh so hard I fall out of my computer chair most times. So see, I am getting enjoying out of the game at your expense, much like you do with the jedi.
No, soe didnt say I was your content. They put missions in so you can hunt me yes, but no wheres in that did they specifically say, hey you are the bh content, so you should come outside when one comes a calling and commense to fighting. You seem to think that the bh/jedi missions revolve around us conforming to doing what you want us to, just because we chose to be a jedi. Well thats not the case, yes I did chose to become a jedi, but guess what, I did it so I could roleplay with my jedi, not pvp. If I want to pvp, I will pull by bh/rifleman out, as that is what he is made for.
DarkStarRa wrote:
Well, Lets see they put BH in the game to hunt other players (For now only Jedi) So i would assume that makes you a BH's content.. Now, did i miss the announcement thatthey put houses in the game for you to hide in and waste peoples time? Or did someone come up with a cheep way to exploit something, like always?
Anyway, I'm not trying to argue about it.. Just wait and see how long it is left in the game and how much it is abused is my only idea for you.
DarkStarRa wrote:freedomwarriorSome people could very easily say you are just being greedy and imposing your game play onto others. Also you create a laggy game and just waste time when you could just as easily log off and back on. Really, I think you can tell the difference between AFK macroing and AFK macroing to waste someone's time, piss them off and take away content from the game that is supposed to be there for that other player. And yes, It is your job to be my content if you are a Jedi according to the people who made this game.NoviceRangerFlurrySorry, Jedi is supposed to be hard and take a long time to get to it.. If you want to put in the time and effort to be a Jedi then do so but don't complain about BH and don't waste someone else's time because you don't agree with it being in the game.What this seems to boil down to from a lot of the reply's here is Jedi wanting an easy tick and trying to annoy BH's into not getting the Jedi missions. Sorry if you don't think that is wrong but i imagine you would if someone was imposing their profession onto you. And really, Don't nag to us about BH's hunting you. Nag to Lucas Arts.And for all that was said by the both of you, Neither gave me a good reason why you should be allowed to sit in a house AFK for several hours on end wasting others time other then "Because i want to"
That IS a good enough reason. We pay the same fifteen bucks a month to play this game as you. If someone wants to sit in their house while they watch movies instead of play, that's completly fine.