Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: Anonymous Mission Testing and What I Told the Devs
Dewbacca_BHG_
Tue Jul 12, 2005 12:00 am
#196
::whine::I figured it out, a solution to eveyones problems, They remove the Bounty Hunter Profession and make us all Master Moisture Farmers, that way the jedi can run around in god mode without fear of "unwanted PvP". That way the poor jedi wont have to run around and hide like they do now, you know, in line of sight exploit spots, and/or instanced lvls, it would make it alot easier on the Devs, cuz gawd knows how tough the have it now, making these little holes and hiding spots for jedi, they could focus on more content for the MMOFPS they are trying to create.::/whine::
To be honest, I could care less what the Devs do, if I quit the game everytime the Devs did something bad to BHs I would be quiting on a monthly basis, just nothing more than another case of game companies thinking everyone wants to be a jedi when they play a Star Wars game, too bad some of the best games that have come out in a while are Bounty Hunter, Republic Commando and Battlefront (of course they are adding jedi to Battlefront 2 ::sigh::
Sorry for the rant, but sometimes I just wish the Devs would piss off and leave the game mechanics alone and work on some more content (ie planets, Star Destroyer mission like corvetter they talked about...etc.) Inseatd my BH content is relearning how to hunt every other publish cuz they gotta break the broken stuff more.
Example, my last hunt, I got Jedi, informed he was on Kashyyyk, went thru 4 instanced lvls, found him at feral Wookiees, chased him into the "line of sight" time out spot, stood there beside him for 2 hours, set a macro, went to bed. got up the next morning, logged back in (cuz game crashed...suprise) saw Jedi, he saw me...he went LD when I started after him....killed him in LD...how rewarding....he never tried me once, and he wasn't all the low lvl....like 150 somthing I believe. How sad....
Flame away....been burnt before....
To be honest, I could care less what the Devs do, if I quit the game everytime the Devs did something bad to BHs I would be quiting on a monthly basis, just nothing more than another case of game companies thinking everyone wants to be a jedi when they play a Star Wars game, too bad some of the best games that have come out in a while are Bounty Hunter, Republic Commando and Battlefront (of course they are adding jedi to Battlefront 2 ::sigh::
Sorry for the rant, but sometimes I just wish the Devs would piss off and leave the game mechanics alone and work on some more content (ie planets, Star Destroyer mission like corvetter they talked about...etc.) Inseatd my BH content is relearning how to hunt every other publish cuz they gotta break the broken stuff more.
Example, my last hunt, I got Jedi, informed he was on Kashyyyk, went thru 4 instanced lvls, found him at feral Wookiees, chased him into the "line of sight" time out spot, stood there beside him for 2 hours, set a macro, went to bed. got up the next morning, logged back in (cuz game crashed...suprise) saw Jedi, he saw me...he went LD when I started after him....killed him in LD...how rewarding....he never tried me once, and he wasn't all the low lvl....like 150 somthing I believe. How sad....
Flame away....been burnt before....
Message Edited by Dewbacca_BHG_ on 07-11-2005 02:09 PM
Jotok
Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:33 am
#197
I was at Fanfest and I recall distinctly we were told the "Equalizer" for BH against Jedi 1.5x was surprise/first strike capability. Wheres the surprise (now? and after pub 20?) There is no surprise. Radar screws it badly...anyjediwho has a clue about the class watches the radar continuously.The /duel exploit jedi use after you've gotten in range futher compounds the problem.We've already lost the element of surprise to everyone in radar range, and a jedi narrows it down further by /duel exploiting.
My suggestion? The changes to BH in PUB 20 are fine...I can adapt...IF they make a MBH ability to remove oneself from radar. I don't want force cloak (going invisible) I just want the ability to disrupt radar. I don't want to be forced to take rifleman (FOTM) for cover and crawl for 200m. As a pre-cu MBH , I think with these new changes to the class and the restrictions we now face hunting jedi,a radar disruption ability fits in nicely and gives the "Equalizer" back to MBH. Hell, make it only work for an MBH when they have a jedi bounty mission active. Make it use action points...I don't care..but put the "dev stated equalizer" in the game.
My personal opinion...radar should never have been in the game in the first place...unless you're a scout or ranger with a tracking ability...at least Players should never have appeared on radar.The further radar delineation (blue for diff faction/magenta for same faction) makes it further artificial and unrealistic. Wow...lookee there...blue dot incoming from 1024 meters away...cue up the /duel macro boys...what a frikkin joke. I wouln't care if they added a "mask/disrupt radar" item that has to be quested for, crafted by another profession, made aMBH skill or whatever it would be...but make it MBH cert to use and I think the changes in PUB 20 would work well and fairly for both sides. As it is now on TC..I feel like a frikkin idiot standing on a hillside punching my tab key to target a mark while jedi scatter, spam /duel, pop food spices and heal upbecause they saw me incoming from a mile away. Since when in any Star Wars Galaxy did a bounty hunter ever announce his presence to a mark ala radar incoming dot?? Something has got to change in this scenario to make it viable for both sides.
Stalker is actually a BH title...allow us to actually stalk our mark. Fact: I was stalking a mark not to long ago..I was at least 100m away in the hills and I get a /tell from my jedi mark.."Are you coming after me?" "Why do you think that?" I reply..."because I see you on radar following my direction"..."How'd you get my name?" I ask..."Easy..replied the Jedi..."I just moused over your blue dot on my radar"..."ahh yeah " says I...."forgot about that recent change as well..." What a joke.
Message Edited by Jotok on 07-12-2005 05:28 AM
CaptainAshcart
Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:05 am
#198
Tanks wrote:
Finally got on TC to test.
I got the mission and started tracking.
When I finally got to the Jedi he was fighting Giant Worts. He was alone, but I simulated regular hunting as most will be with groups and tried to target him via tabbing.
It took me several seconds to TAB over to him. The Jedi knew I was after him before I could even target him. The smart Jedi will start running way before I would be able to target him in most situations. Now, add the fact that /duel is used almost exclusively in most situations to figure out a bounty target by the Jedi, he will know before the BHs.
We really need the Jedi name at some point in the process. The devs at the "FanFest Jedi Focus Group Session" even mentioned that the BH first strike ability makes them equal to full template Jedi in power (which is a fallacy in itself). Well, it is kinda hard to have first strikeor any kind of advantage when you have to be almost on top of the Jedi to know who he is!!!
Please make the name of the Jedi available after the Arakyd probe reports the planet location. This would resolve a lot of issues and still stop the so called griefing by gank squads, targeting specific Jedi etc., etc.
i am not a BH nor do i plan on being one, i am not a jedi but have yet to decide if i want to be. Tanks...your suggestion is very reasonable and should be implemented. one of the major things that has some jedi really upset is the use of BHs during planned PVP guild stuff. it really ruins the game play when a gank squad of BH come in during declared PVP and the jedi is getting hammered by opposite declared and then put in a BH to take him out...come on...that is really gutless and crappy to do.
i tip my hat to you and your suggestion.
Vlamr
Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:10 am
#199
CaptainAshcart wrote:
Tanks wrote:
Finally got on TC to test.I got the mission and started tracking.When I finally got to the Jedi he was fighting Giant Worts. He was alone, but I simulated regular hunting as most will be with groups and tried to target him via tabbing.It took me several seconds to TAB over to him. The Jedi knew I was after him before I could even target him. The smart Jedi will start running way before I would be able to target him in most situations. Now, add the fact that /duel is used almost exclusively in most situations to figure out a bounty target by the Jedi, he will know before the BHs.We really need the Jedi name at some point in the process. The devs at the "FanFest Jedi Focus Group Session" even mentioned that the BH first strike ability makes them equal to full template Jedi in power (which is a fallacy in itself). Well, it is kinda hard to have first strike or any kind of advantage when you have to be almost on top of the Jedi to know who he is!!!Please make the name of the Jedi available after the Arakyd probe reports the planet location. This would resolve a lot of issues and still stop the so called griefing by gank squads, targeting specific Jedi etc., etc.
i am not a BH nor do i plan on being one, i am not a jedi but have yet to decide if i want to be. Tanks...your suggestion is very reasonable and should be implemented. one of the major things that has some jedi really upset is the use of BHs during planned PVP guild stuff. it really ruins the game play when a gank squad of BH come in during declared PVP and the jedi is getting hammered by opposite declared and then put in a BH to take him out...come on...that is really gutless and crappy to do.
i tip my hat to you and your suggestion.
Dont worry about the gank squads after pub20. Even with the changes that Tanks is requesting, griefing and the g-squads wont be possible so not sure why the devs dont just do it.
Ulrek_Oden
Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:16 am
#200
Quiet420 wrote:
you dont have to attack on the first pass or the second or ever, if the oppurtunity doesnt present itself....just get that name on the first pass and flit off, then your ready, at the time of your choosing
As long as it is within three days
Fugitron
Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:10 am
#201
Your telling me the giant becon of light over their head doesn't tell you who the jedi is? I dunno about you, but if he is alone (as you stated) and you choose to TAB target (which many BH do regardless) your going to only target him and some worts. I don't think the name is necessary.
MX13
Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:26 am
#202
Banzai51 wrote:
Skare99 wrote:
Tanks wrote:
The devs at the "FanFest Jedi Focus Group Session" even mentioned that the BH first strike ability makes them equal to full template Jedi in power (which is a fallacy in itself).
Wow, These guys are clueless.
Don't give them that benefit of doubt. They are not that clueless. They know exactly what this does to us and don't give a flying ****. They cater to a certain prof because they believe that prof pays the bills.
You obviously don't know how to use your "First Strike". The words the Dev's used were poorly chosen, but the first strike can be extreamly valuable. For example, if you have one of those show-off, stand in the middle of 50 Picket Jedi, doing spin attacks and healing constantly, if you choose the moment to kill him, he will go down like a blade of grass.
The simple problem with most BH, not all but most, is that some think they should be able to kill a Jedi a day, thank you CU & Respec. It used to take me days to kill a Jedi back in the day, and now a bunch of noob BH think it's their right to kill Jedi everytime they log. Jedi hunting has gotten WAY easier, ask any of us who've been around hunting Jedi since they wore Comp. Stop whining, it's 10x easier now.
Well, I'll still be hunting Jedi, as one myself and as my MBH Alt. The only major problem with 20 is not getting the name, we should get it once we get on-planet.
MaitaXibo
Tue Jul 12, 2005 9:19 am
#203
Why worry about names? I can understand if you are neutral.. but if you are a rebel, you hunt Imps? If you are Imperial.. you hunt rebs? That is if you are ''loyal''... Besides that they should at least give the names when the probe driod tells you what planet he/she is on.. like '' NAME has been located on Lok''
If you play your role as a BH, then an imp or neutral BH would hunt all Jedi as the empire has said to kill all jedi.
Vlamr
Tue Jul 12, 2005 9:22 am
#204
MaitaXibo wrote:
Why worry about names? I can understand if you are neutral.. but if you are a rebel, you hunt Imps? If you are Imperial.. you hunt rebs? That is if you are ''loyal''... Besides that they should at least give the names when the probe driod tells you what planet he/she is on.. like '' NAME has been located on Lok''
If you play your role as a BH, then an imp or neutral BH would hunt all Jedi as the empire has said to kill all jedi.
True but I dont want to hunt my friends. Me wasting 20 minutes getting there and another 10-15 minutes crawling into range to find out its a guy I promised not to hunt is dumb. There are many work arounds for this problem. It only takes one solution and the jedi will be happy because there will be no more griefing and the BH will be happy because we arent playing lottery with our friends and are not having the play the tab game when closing the range.
MaitaXibo
Tue Jul 12, 2005 9:23 am
#205
Be more careful when you roll up on your mark. It's your responsibility and to your advantage to not spook your mark.
Come on, dude this makes no sense. If I am close enough to target my mark so I can try and figure out a name, then he can also target me and use the /duel exploit to see if I am after him. First strike is gone, they know we are coming before we know who we are after unless they happen to be solo. I used to prey on a group huting and would come in gang busters have a tar cmomand already queued up and hit while they were in a fight or not expecting it now I run in and spend five mintues tabbing through targets, that is pure BS.
Hcaz
Tue Jul 12, 2005 9:28 am
#206
Fugitron wrote:
Your telling me the giant becon of light over their head doesn't tell you who the jedi is? I dunno about you, but if he is alone (as you stated) and you choose to TAB target (which many BH do regardless) your going to only target him and some worts. I don't think the name is necessary.
Theres no beacon of light guiding you on Kash. And next time you load into the myyrdril cavern instance. (there are 10 to check if your looking for a jedi) try tabbing through the hundreds of red dots in there............ Then after 10 minutes of tabbing and the jedi hasnt noticed you done a /duel and confirmed you hold the mission and then logged off or cloaked and left, Go get em! lol
ner0sputnik
Tue Jul 12, 2005 9:29 am
#207
Your telling me the giant becon of light over their head doesn't tell you who the jedi is? I dunno about you, but if he is alone (as you stated) and you choose to TAB target (which many BH do regardless) your going to only target him and some worts. I don't think the name is necessary.
I don't know many jedi who stand still for very long. The column only gets you into the general area. If they're sitting there afk, sure, no problem but if they're running around, especially in a hunting group, the waypoint is only going to get you in the general area.
Wystery
Tue Jul 12, 2005 11:44 am
#208
Very much in agreement. This is such a detriment hunting jedi that it makes it even more not worth it. The hardcore hunters that hunt and stalk their prey have no ability to do so now. The ones that prey on only those they are sure they can kill lose out as well. Every bounty hunter loses out on this deal.