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It disappoints me that your guys' furor to beat Jedi allows you to so blatantly defend such an obvious exploit.

If something is intended to be a last ditch ability, and it is used initially with no consequence, it needs to be remedied, and it needs to be remedied now.

Simply because it was used on an exploiter doesn't make using an exploit okay.

Last I checked, the ToS doesn't say "exploits are okay if they're used against key figures in the community".

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HOTDOG wrote:

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timit wrote:

Yea you're right the devs at fan fest don't know what they are talking about. LOL, pathetic jedi.

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If you dont know what you stand for, You will fall for anything.

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Yeah, like a BH standing next to you letting a MOB slap the crap outta him.

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LOL, More jokes, Dude , I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT LAST DITCH BEING ABUSED AS A FIRST SHOT FOR A BH.

Message Edited by timit on 07-03-2005 07:15 PM

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Actairr wrote:

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Eskie wrote:

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Actairr wrote:
Isnt this a smuggler skill? Go there and post this since it is their skill.

Message Edited by Actairr on 07-03-2005 06:07 AM

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As pointed out several times: The problem is not the special itself, the problem is using the special as an opening move.
This can only be done by BHs, any non-BH smuggler has to be Special Forces to use LD on another player, and I doubt anybody would try to get artificially low health while under enemy fire.
This is why this discussion belongs in the BH boards - it only is about BHs using a special in a certain way, not about the special in general.

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LOL, well it is a smuggler move and if you want it changed/fixed whatever you call it then you should take it there. Taking it here is only gonna lead to a long boring flame fest. Bottom line is there is no way to say that some one can/cannot use a skill that they have as the first attack. LOL, this is just silly. Stupid jedi.

BTW I am a jedi and a BH.

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HOTDOG wrote:

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timit wrote:

LOL, More jokes, Dude , I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT LAST DITCH BEING ABUSED AS A FIRST SHOT FOR A BH.

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You do now. AND you know what to do about it. You should spread the word to your fellow Jedi. And as far as jokes go. This whole thread is a joke.

Are you looking to have LD only work against someone who has struck you first? Do you really think the Devs will code it that way? Idunno- I'm not a programer or a dev so I couldn't tell you either way.

I just don't like people campaigning to have my specials nerfed because they don't wanna defend against them.

Aren't I just in feeling that way. What if I started a campaign to have force cloak changed even though SEVERAL people have told me ways to get around it? Would you feel under attack?

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You said it man... Thats the way its going to go.. People dont want to defend against it, even though they can, so they ask for a nerf.. Hey.. While we're at it, I'm tired of having to wear armor to defend against the overpowered laser rifles in this game that anyone with CL over 54 can shoot. Lets just nerf them out of the game too...

And to the people who said that they dont believe that the devs saidLD won't be nerfed at fanfestbecause theres no post on the boards confirming that statement.... You STILL havent shown me JUST ONE POSTwhere a dev has called this use of LD an exploit... So, you can't use that argument either.

Message Edited by JCWeeble on 07-04-2005 12:07 PM

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Eskie wrote:

If you read this thread very carefully, you will see that nobody wants the damage calculations of LD nerfed. All Jedi want is to get the first strike ability of bounty hunters with LD addressed, which will not have any effect on smugglers.
And the last info I have says LD is guaranteed to leave the smuggler with 50 points of health.

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Are you even playing the same game as the rest of us? I cannot think of a single time when a dev 'fix' for something did not affect at least 1-2 other groups of people (if not all of them) in an adverse way. Any changes they could make to LD would affect smugglers in some way or another, or would not fix your alleged 'problem'.

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timit wrote:

Okay. there should be no chance ajedi gets one-shot incapped "ON THE FIRST SHOT". Especially when the bh makes the first move.You guys talk about "well he could have incapped himself to". So what, he tryed to use it as a initiating shot. So that in itself has nothing to do with the special as far as risk vs reward goes, (BECAUSE HE THREW THAT BOOK OUT THE WINDOW WHEN HE USED IT AS A INITIATING ATTACK).

I appologize to the smugglers. Im not trying to have LD removed, nerfed or whatever. Just change it so bh cant use it as a initiating attack.

Message Edited by timit on 07-03-2005 07:15 PM

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Message Edited by slave138 on 07-05-2005 02:00 PM

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slave138 wrote:

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Eskie wrote:

If you read this thread very carefully, you will see that nobody wants the damage calculations of LD nerfed. All Jedi want is to get the first strike ability of bounty hunters with LD addressed, which will not have any effect on smugglers.
And the last info I have says LD is guaranteed to leave the smuggler with 50 points of health.

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Are you even playing the same game as the rest of us? I cannot think of a single time when a dev 'fix' for something did not affect at least 1-2 other groups of people (if not all of them) in an adverse way. Any changes they could make to LD would affect smugglers in some way or another, or would not fix your alleged 'problem'.

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timit wrote:

Heres the story.

Im grinding in theryyatt trail. A bh comes. I know this bh because i escaped her/him as a lower level paddy before in the myydril caves with the crystal you get from a quest down there.

So i stop attacking wookies and stand away to prepare for a fight. This bh < jadelance > runs off of the first bridge with mobs close behind her/him. Runs past and runs accross the other bridge out of my sight. She/he then comes back and hits me for 4632damage <1 shot incap>.She got close to being incapped by the mob and then use last ditch shot on me AS A FIRST STRIKE. She did not get incapped in the process. Doesnt last ditch incap both players?This is what someone else has said, and yes, i checked the combat log. <4632 damage>. A shot this powerful should not be used as a first strike attack on a bh's mark. This gives jedi no chance to react at all. So i say,the ability for bh's to use this as a initiating attack is a exploit and needs to be fixed. Flame away if you must.

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You do not understand the risk that the BH took to actually get LD off. I would be VERRRRY curious to know how he/she managed to aggro enough mobs to get that close to death, then manage to lose the aggro. Even then, how long were you incapped for? Five seconds? That leaves no time for a DB unless you can time the DB RIGHT when you go incapped. Get up, heal, then beat the crap outta the BH.

It is a very risky business using LD in any fight. I don't think you really have a clue.

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So you'd be ok with it if they had to hit you with a Concussionfirst and then Last Ditch you when you can't move, defend, heal, or attack?

This is my lastreply. So make your next joke a good one. ba-bye ml ln

Message Edited by timit on 07-06-2005 03:19 AM

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timit wrote:

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So you'd be ok with it if they had to hit you with a Concussionfirst and then Last Ditch you when you can't move, defend, heal, or attack?

LOL, Ummm. I dont think LD would work so great if he/she had no health missing.

I see I'm dealing with one of those really bright trolls... The Smuggler/BH could stillget himself incapped (or near it), hit the Jedi with a Concussion shot followed by Last Ditch. Last Ditch is no longer a first strike attack and the results are the same. So back to the question - Would you be ok with it?

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You do not understand the risk that the BH took to actually get LD off. I would be VERRRRY curious to know how he/she managed to aggro enough mobs to get that close to death, then manage to lose the aggro. Even then, how long were you incapped for? Five seconds? That leaves no time for a DB unless you can time the DB RIGHT when you go incapped. Get up, heal, then beat the crap outta the BH.

It is a very risky business using LD in any fight. I don't think you really have a clue.

The bh was standing in the "no-attack zone" so the mobs couldnt kill him/her. In this case the bh took no risk at all.I dont think you have a clue, lol

I'll admit I'm not as familiar with these 'dead-zones' as your typical exploiting Jedi, but from what I've always seen, anyone standing in one cannt be hit nor can they attack.

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What are you complaning if or if not he used LD has a exploit when your free loading xp on kash?

Face it you got beat by someone (that exploits?) smart

FYI.Im not the only one that camps spawns all day for xp, loot, or whatever.

Ahhh.... the ever-popular "But Mom, everybody else is doing it" defense. The question is, do these others camp in an area primarily because it has line-of-sight issues allowing them to hide in dead spots?

Enough is enough.These3comments are simply nonsense.

This is my lastreply. So make your next joke a good one.

The biggest joke WAS your responses - don't think I can top those...

Message Edited by timit on 07-06-2005 03:19 AM

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timit wrote:

Heres the story.

Im grinding in theryyatt trail. A bh comes. I know this bh because i escaped her/him as a lower level paddy before in the myydril caves with the crystal you get from a quest down there.

So i stop attacking wookies and stand away to prepare for a fight. This bh < jadelance > runs off of the first bridge with mobs close behind her/him. Runs past and runs accross the other bridge out of my sight. She/he then comes back and hits me for 4632damage <1 shot incap>.She got close to being incapped by the mob and then use last ditch shot on me AS A FIRST STRIKE. She did not get incapped in the process. Doesnt last ditch incap both players?This is what someone else has said, and yes, i checked the combat log. <4632 damage>. A shot this powerful should not be used as a first strike attack on a bh's mark. This gives jedi no chance to react at all. So i say,the ability for bh's to use this as a initiating attack is a exploit and needs to be fixed. Flame away if you must.

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