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Thread: Regarding House-Jedi (Updated 10/14)

Machea
Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:05 pm
#170

I dig the correspondent's A) option. The seeker droid would tell you if they are in a private structure.



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Steevan
Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:07 pm
#171


You guys are too funny. First of all, nowhere does it say that you are entitled to fight a jedi. Secondly, you guys are complaining about afk'n in a house...Well that is the only place I can go when I need to get a drink, eat, smoke, or take a p!ss. Thirdly, if you think you should be entitled to come in a private building by say /picklock or whatever, you are sadly mistaken because a private building would/could have defense grids set up to handle intruders.




Lastly, why don't you just pull another mission?



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CardinalTRE
Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:10 pm
#172






Machea wrote:
I dig the correspondent's A) option. The seeker droid would tell you if they are in a private structure.




However, calculating 'precisely' where the Jedi is at is difficult not only in this game, but any online game that deals with latency. This can be seen when someone 'slides' across the med center floor or when you're hunting an NPC bounty and its at point A while the the waypoint is at point B 40 meters away.



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Machea
Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:15 pm
#173



CardinalTRE wrote:


Machea wrote:
I dig the correspondent's A) option. The seeker droid would tell you if they are in a private structure.


However, calculating 'precisely' where the Jedi is at is difficult not only in this game, but any online game that deals with latency. This can be seen when someone 'slides' across the med center floor or when you're hunting an NPC bounty and its at point A while the the waypoint is at point B 40 meters away.




Oh yeah, I don't deny that the structure isn't perfectly feasible, coming from both jedi and bh points of view. I just personally feel that this would be the ideal way if they could get it right so that 1. the bh doesn't waste time to only find a jedi in a house and 2. to prevent any sort of harassment if the jedi is afk or whatnot.



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Meatpuppet1987
Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:20 pm
#174


The way I see it, the system works the best it can with the current balance of classes. A year ago when the Jedi class was very powerfull and capable of sustatining itself in a fight versus multiple advesaries, allowing a lock-pick would be feasable. However, the following things make this a completly game-breaking advantage for both full template and new Padawans:


- Lack of FRS to go beyond the Padawan level

- Lack of pearls

- No defense against armorbreak

- Removal of abilities or diminishing them for Jedi such as AI snare, and saber block reduction

- The level system


Padawans used to be able to defend themselves quite effectively, but with things the way they are, one would be smart to jump in a "safe house" when you see a blip on the radar coming charging at you.

Bounty Hunters are a Jedi's content, but that Jedi has the right to dodge that content like flak should he/she choose too. Not allowing a player to play their payed character is rediculous: Sure, Jedi have alts, but their only getting half of what they paid for. Would you like a slice of perma-death with that?


That's not to say I don't believe some sort of /idletimer should be implemented as the prior poster indicated, but knocking a Jedi out of their house won't fly with anyone but self-absorbed Bounty Hunters. Think you spent alot of time (say 30 minutes) hunting down a mark? Killing a near-complete template results in hours more work for them.


Before any major changes to the Jedi/Bounty Hunter relationship are made, there are more pressing issues and bugs that need to be adressed. Sending the Jedi profession crashing to the ground doesn't help anyone: Jedi won't play and will leave, aspiring Jedi (major part of the population) will leave and Bounty Hunters will be stuck here, whinning that there's no marks on the terminals.


Leave things as they are- Bring back FRS at some point with better pearls and you will have Jedi lining up to fight you because they will stand a chance in hell of surviving a MCM dot barrage.


Case and point.




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Cphopp
Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:25 pm
#175






Megadyen wrote:

I have an idea,


How about we worrry about things that are actually broken ......


This does not affect gameplay, go get another mission.


This is not broken, as any home owner can decide on access rights to their house.


Wasting time talking about dumb things like this only mean real game stopping bugs get ignored.







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Aydhan
Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:35 pm
#176






Cphopp wrote:





Megadyen wrote:

I have an idea,


How about we worrry about things that are actually broken ......


This does not affect gameplay, go get another mission.


This is not broken, as any home owner can decide on access rights to their house.


Wasting time talking about dumb things like this only mean real game stopping bugs get ignored.







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Agreed. Someone start a more useful thread.
Stomach_Leibre
Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:10 pm
#177

Allrigh,gonna say it once more, we(jedi) are not npcs, we are real live players, and we are not hired by soe to give you pleasant time and fun, it is our choice to fight or not to fight, if i want i will sit afk in my house for the whole day and youknow why? because i pay for this game just as you do and i have the right to do whatever i want as long as its not an exploit. Once again we are not soe employees and we don't care that our sitting in the houses is ruining your fun, just as you don't care that you are ruining our fun while appearing while we do guildhounts, pvp, quests and whatever else. You know why you get 200k+ for jedi mission instead of 10-30k? Because we're not supposed to wait for you to attack usat the wp your droid gave to you like the targets from your npc missions. Thats it most of you are prolly to selfish and have to little brains to understand it anyway.


raziviWH
Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:12 pm
#178

Not a BH or a jedi, but a long-time player of the game and have friends in both professions.


Creating an ability to force a player from a building is unthinkable. I understand BHs want to hunt jedi, but forcing people from a private structure when they are not in combat and sometimes do not even realize they are on the terminals is a pandora's box. I can't understand why reasonable people would support this idea, its a greiving tactic that is only thought up by people who want to ruin the gameplay of others. Jedi are hunted, I think this is a good system. Its fun, challenging, and keeps sane jedi from being overly stupid with their skills. But allowing one player to control another player's actions OUTSIDE of combat is an idea that should never ever be put in. TEFs, snares, roots these are the sane ideas. Forcing someone out of a house, even l/d or afk, when they are not in combat just because you want to kill them is grieving, period.


Terminals should only list on-line jedi and jedi who are not afk. Not the afk given by that stupid tag you can run around with 24/7, but the afk set on you by the system for being inactive. Also, a system message besides a friends list note should inform you if your bounty is online, l/d, or system afk. So BHs can spend their time hunting in-game jedi. Saves the real afk jedi and the l/d ones. Saves BH droids and time if you. The books and movie BHs and jedi were always there. A game where afk and logging out is unavoidable, rules and style needs to be different from movies/books just face it. No more 'well, i can chop his head off in one hit cause windu did it in the movie' or 'i can bust down doors cause real BHs can.' Equal fairness. Jedi should not be able to decapitate BHs in one it, BHs should not be able to break into a private structure just because they feel they deserve to kill when they want to.


Thoughts of a vet player.


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LordMarr
Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:29 pm
#179

Best way to appease both the jedi and the BH is that if a jedi that has been in a "private" structure, guild hall, cantina, orany city building that would beoff limits tomost playersfor more than 10 minutes is removed from the terminals until that jedi leaves the private structure for atleast 10 minutes. This would prevent a jedi running a afk macro that would let em leave his house for afew secondsto generate a mission on a terminal and walk back into his house to explicit purpose to annoy another player.


Got to think pro-active so you can anticipate thecold-hearted that will go out of their way to annoy another player. Most jedi and BHsare not cold-hearted.


Please post suggustions and not flames.
Corrupt3d
Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:30 pm
#180

i still think allowing you to pick the lock and giving you a certain time limit to kill the jedi is a good idea...meh...



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WackoWizard
Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:31 pm
#181

I really do not understand the frustation of this issue. It seems to me that 1/2 of the fun of the hunt should be that, the hunt. So you find a mark that is not reachable, whats the big deal about dropping the mission and finding another mark? Why do you expect such instant gratification? You are a bounty HUNTER right? Well then hunt already.

When you hunt in RL you dont pick up your liscense walk out the back door shoot and grab your kill and clean it. Usually go to your spot ahead of time stake out your prey and wait sometimes for hours sometimes for days sometimes for weeks. Thats part of the sport of hunting. If your not hunter enought to stomach it then mabee you should put down your HC Scatter Pistol and pick up a set of crochette needles.
LordMarr
Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:45 pm
#182

I think the issue is and alot of players are missing it is that when a jedi is afk in a house, most bhs do drop the mission. But it is way too common to go back to the terms and get the same afk jedi mission over and over again. I have had this happen late at night 5 or 6 times in a row. Just removeplayers from the terms while in private structures that would make everyone pleased. Jedi can still stay logged in a private stucture for what ever reasons and the bounty hunter terminals will be clear of non-huntable players.


This is an issue and the bounty hunter corrospondant wouldnt have asked for suggustions on how to improve the bh system if it wasn't a problem.


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