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Ok, hmm.. I'd like to explain my view without getting hate flamed (that I guess being next to impossible)

I play almost every day. I also work. I have a job and responsibilities, bills, mortgage etc. I have a partner I play with who sometimes needs to group with me to go survey with her CL1 etc or maybe needs someone for a little extra group exp bonus or the like when our friends are not on. So, I go afk in my house during the day and come back to play at night.

Now I recently unlocked my jedi. I decided I was going to make my alt a BH cause it sounds like fun. Do I have time to grind up my BH/whatever I'm making yet? No. Am I going to no longer do the afk thing in my house to benefit my partner? Of course I'm going to keep doing it. I worked to get my jedi. Yes I understand that I'm to be hunted but I also have the rights of every other player. Sometimes I'm at home and not even afk. Sometimes I like to just talk or play with the people that know me. I am a real live person.I am aplayer, just like you who spends money to playand has a life, just like you. I am not evil, or malicious, or spiteful. I am not your enemy. I did not harm you or have any intention of making you my enemy. So where does all this hatred come from?

Now with the jedi that posted earlier about being in his home to annoy BH's, I think that's actually rather pathetic,and a waste of good playtime. Sitting there just to annoy someone else playing is no better than them treating you not like a player but likegame content. Everyone is playing to have fun. To tell me that I'm not allowed to have a safe place to be with my main character just because you as a BH can't interrupt my playtime for your own enjoyment is not only selfish, it's childish. I am a person and a player. My BH will probably not hunt jedi often if at all, but if I ever do I won't be calling them names just because they're afk in their house. I will also not kill an afk player, jedi or not.That is simplybeing cruel to someone I don't even know.

I say all this cause I see a long thread here that doesn't need to be here. What do you do when your elite NPC mark is in a tree, or in the water, or stuck in a house and you can't get to him? I dont see aendless number ofhuge forum threads on that. Most just drop the mission and get a new one. I've heard about it over and over again. What is the difference when it's a player? It's fine when it's an NPC but when it's me I have to oblige you, even when I get absolutely nothing out of it? Don't I deserve at least that much respect from another human being?I try to respect all players. Everyone has a right to have fun and there are many different ways of doing it and many jedi that are at the keyboard who would welcome the hunt. You want to attack me while I'm out and about, fine. That is how the visibility thing is now andit is the same thing I expect from any jedi I will hunt. You will never catch me complaining that someone is a jerk cause he's stopping me from killing him by being in a safe place. That is just wrong.

I've said what I needed to. I welcome your opinions but you have to remember that we are ALL playing this game together.

Thanks

Actually I am going to update my original suggestion because I thought of a way that I believe is the best suggestion yet.

The seeker droid will only update your marks waypoint if the mark has moved. The Bounty Hunter will only receive the system message of an updated waypoint when the mark's waypoint has changed. This way, a BH who does not receive a system message can assume his mark is stationary and can then decide whether or not to pursue his mark. This may also hint at AFK jedi if your mark is stationary on say Dathomir for a prolonged period of time.

Message Edited by JuddaFett on 10-11-2005 11:38 AM

Dumbing down the professions appear to be a two way street. Pre-Cu jedi were all powerful and required multiple BH to take down. Master Combat Medics were overpowering PvP with area DoTs. Mutual healing was allowed. Jedi had 80% chance of block if MLS. MBH were gimped to some extent. BH whined, jedi whined. Post-CU Jedi get nerfed, can't get decent pearls, can't get decent CA's, can't use AI, can't cloak. Now apparently BH don't want them online! BH get AB resist armor, uber goober weapons, increased ability, snares, roots, and MCM abilities are overpowering. As things change some issues remain the same. I suppose next any jedi taking to piloting will be ejected from their ship upon notification that some Gomer BH has his mission. I could go on but hey it is like PI$$ING up a rope. Sitting in a house while some clown with a big gun has a jedi mission is not griefing. We have every right as paying subscribers to sit in a house and chat, craft sabers,redesign our house, or whateverif we choose to. Go get another mission or follow the tagline in my sig.

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Aydhan wrote:

So many threads overa non-issue. Learn your server's jedi, take notes, drop house sitter missions as soon as you recognize them.

I wrote more about how to do this here:

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=bounty_hunter&message.id=551801#M551801

I look at it this way, a jedi mission is for fun, not to make money. Stalking them is aprt of my fun. I figure I lose money on every jedi mission, even the quick and easy payouts.

A full temp/full payoutjedi is worth less then:

10 trigger assemblies

1/2 a clear crystal

a BH armor boot schematic

10 npc marks that drop only jars of bugs.

And that's just the low end loot so it can't be about money vs time. A house sitting afk jedi costs at most about 15 minutes once you get to know jedi in general. You only get to know jedi by stalking them. If you keep notes, then ahabitual afk jedi costs you at most about five minutes, including the 20 second flight and the time to get a new mission.

A bugged NPC mark costs you about the same.

Now please let our correspondent work on more important things so please take a reality check and game on.

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Wow, someone with a well reasoned position. I applaud you. Letour correspondent move on to more important items.

Keos Enfield, MBH

Three things are possible for this situation:

1. Jedi flees into house when he/she feels the fight is lost. TEFs should prevent this from happening.


2. The 'Mobile Home' problem where a Jedi sets a house down to grind and hops inside when someone approaches. One solution would be to put a timer on house placement. Think of it as group of workers putting the house up. On the base planets, the house timer would be a few minutes, where as the intermediate planets such as Lok and Dantooine it would take 10-15 mins for the house to appear.


3. Jedi hops inside house when he/she sees you approaching. No solution here. You revealed yourself too early. Take another mission or 'Cover' yourself.

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SamousNemo wrote:

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Ukadia wrote:

The BH must use a lot if action and/or mind to get the jedi out of his house with a certain move which will TEF both players and you can only use it once per mission.

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Again, removing a player from a house is not something I will pursue.

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Or if you want another option, give Jedi some incentive to stay outside and fight. I'm not saying take away XP loss, but how about:

- Give them extra XP for defeating the BH

- Decrease the amount of XP that is lost based on how long the fight ensues

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Cyclonus- wrote:

The whining, stupidity, and crying for nerfs in this thread is the worst I have seen in my 13 months on the forums.

You know what this calls for...

Cry more noob, then go see Learn 2 Play

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Meatpuppet1987 wrote:

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freedomwarrior wrote:

Ive got an idea that might work with the house sitting. If the jedi loses, then he cant log that char in for a week to play. He has his alt to play.

If the bh loses, he is fined the payout for the mission. There is risk for the bh and risk for the jedi. This will then separate the wannabes with the true bh. The true bh wont care about the credit loss and will still hunt. The wannabes will lose so much that 226k is a chunk to lose.

This would go a long way to giving risk vs reward. ITs a penalty for both. I mean if im killed as a jedi, then that would be affected by the week of playtime. However, there would need to be like a 3 death timer similar to how it was with perma death, so as to stop some of the crash deaths we see.

Just an idea. This would give jedi a reason to fight. Me, as a bh ive lost the last 3 times ive hunted, butwon 2 of the last 5 and credits dont mean anything for me to lose. As a jedi, ive won the last 2 fights and tied once. I dont mind the not being able to log in because I have my alt that I can play.

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No. People don't pay 15 bucks a month to be not allowed to play their character.

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freedomwarrior wrote:

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Meatpuppet1987 wrote:

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freedomwarrior wrote:

Ive got an idea that might work with the house sitting. If the jedi loses, then he cant log that char in for a week to play. He has his alt to play.

If the bh loses, he is fined the payout for the mission. There is risk for the bh and risk for the jedi. This will then separate the wannabes with the true bh. The true bh wont care about the credit loss and will still hunt. The wannabes will lose so much that 226k is a chunk to lose.

This would go a long way to giving risk vs reward. ITs a penalty for both. I mean if im killed as a jedi, then that would be affected by the week of playtime. However, there would need to be like a 3 death timer similar to how it was with perma death, so as to stop some of the crash deaths we see.

Just an idea. This would give jedi a reason to fight. Me, as a bh ive lost the last 3 times ive hunted, butwon 2 of the last 5 and credits dont mean anything for me to lose. As a jedi, ive won the last 2 fights and tied once. I dont mind the not being able to log in because I have my alt that I can play.

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No. People don't pay 15 bucks a month to be not allowed to play their character.

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How are you not getting to play your character. ITs called an alt. You know, that other slot you get when you get jedi.

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There should NEVER be any aspect of a game, from the developers standpoint, that prevents a player from doing anything in the game short of banning an account for rules violations.

However, players can prevent other players from participating. If its done illegally, its called griefing. If its done legit, its called competition.

1) Any single way to exploit the system is bad. Realisticly, there is no way to create a system that will keep Jedi out of buildings if a BH has thier mission. Any concievable method would clue a Jedi in to the fact that a BH is on thier trail, allowing them to exploit the system and log out if they don't want to deal with it.

2) Player BH missions do nothing to 'control' the Jedi population. There is no more blue glowey and the loss of 500K XP isn't exactly a huge loss.

3) Player BH missions are borderline-disruptive. I sure wouldn't want someone to bother me while I was trying to play the game.

So why not just remove Player BH missions?

Replace them with NPC Jedi missions with better loot and higher difficulty. Players who want to PvP can find other avenues for that sort of gameplay.

PS. Yes, I am a Master Bounty Hunter without a Jedi alt.