Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: last ditch being used as a first strike -exploit-
ProzacRefugee wrote:
A) As stated, this is a smuggler special, it belongs on the smuggler boards. Yes, he was running a BH mission, but he didn't use BH abilites.
B) DON'T POST EXPLOITS. I don't know if this is an exploit, but if you think it is you report it, you don't post it. The reason why is:
C) You've just taught this trick to every BH who reads this board. So now instead of the one BH killing you this way you can expect it from many more.
ok-I am not sure about your reason A.......my reason A would be more like A) it belongs in the jedi forum, as we don't care that you got killed.
Eskie wrote:
SolarusArc wrote:
You've yet to prove it's an exploit. /lastditch is working as intended. Kudos to the BH for figuring this out. It's very risky and will probably fail more than it will work but it's not an exploit. Running to the LOS area and avoiding an attack, that's an exploit. Using the /duel command to determine who a BH is after, that's an exploit. Using a special like lastditched to take out a mark or an NPC, not an exploit.
Eskie wrote:
JeffIncredible wrote:
LMAO, people hate tactics.
No, but people hate exploiters.
I already made my point furhter up in this thread - one-shot incaps are not intended post-CU as stated by the devs in the published CU design documents, and LD if used as a first strike by a BH can be a one-hit incap.
Since one-hit incaps are not intended and LD is a one-hit incap as described in this thread, it is a bug.
So by using it, a BH is using a bug to gain an advantage over another player, which is the definition of exploit.
It does not matter if the smuggler has a chance to fail - trying to exploit and failing in the process does not legalize an exploit.
And just to clear things up:
I think LD is working as intended.
I think critters / NPCs damaging players is working as intended.
I think insta-incaps by slapping stormies is working as intended.
The only point I am making is that using LD as a first strike on another player with no TEF on the one using LD is a bug. I am not saying LD needs a nerf, I am saying the combination of attacking A to get low health and using LD on B afterwards needs to be fixed.
This issue is of no concern to pure smugglers as far as I can tell, it is only of concern to BHs who picked up LD and use it as a first strike - BH vs. Jedi is the only scenario in which LD can be used as a first strike.
Message Edited by Eskie on 06-30-2005 03:18 PM
honestly, you can't be that much of an idiot....let me show you how you can use the same thing and get a one hit incap-
Jedi fights BH< BH hurts jedi..jedi hurts bh, .....bh hurts jedi...jedi hurts bh....bh almost down to no health.....jedi heals to full health....bh uses last ditch toONE HIT INCAP JEDI.
and a smuggler can use ld as a first strike against someone-if he is overt, in a fight, and has been taking damage by other players, he can use ld to attack ANYOVERT ENEMY ON THE BATTLEFIELD, REGARDLESS IF THAT TARGET HAS EVER ATTACKED THE SMUGGLER.
Listen. There are enough good, legitimate bh templates out there that bhs shouldn't be THAT cheap and go Smuggler just for last ditch.
In the end their going to get Last Ditch nerfed and then leave Smuggler for a new template. Totally ruining a good Smuggler skill. It is a blatent slap in legitamite Smugglers faces for bhs to abuse one of their techniques to the point of where the Devs will be forced to nerf, just so they can have a few easy kills.
And dont say it wont happen. All the jedi that went Defender for AI can tell you that they will nerf something if it starts getting abused.
timit wrote:
Golrok wrote:
if you get killed byLD becauseyou want to hang around staring ata wounded BHwhen you should have been supicious then you get what you deserve. your simply being outsmarted stop crying nerf and watch your backs next time, like dont hangout all stupid at the spaceport in the middle of groups of BH and then cry when you get outsmarted by one.
No. See you got it all wrong. I said i was ready for the bh to attack. LEARN TO READ.You dont see me in startports, not all jedi are the same. So tell me more jokes. Read all the posts before you open your mouth.
Dark whatthefukeveryournameis. A bh used it on me so im posting it here. You add nothing to the arguement on either side.If knowone cares why is the postcount,nevermind.
I THANK ALL OF THE BH AND OTHERS THAT POSTED AND COMMENTED WITH RESPECT. Hopefully some of the others can have somerub off on them.
ANOTHER THING, JUST BECAUSE ITS POSTED DOESNT MEAN ANYTHING IS GONNA GET DONE. I just shine light on what i think is or could be a problem for someone else.Its my job as a player. Take it how you want. Say what you want.
Timit, exactly what preparation did you do to make yourself ready? Please list, foods, drinks, force skills, etc
What CLwere you and what race?
What was your current template at the time?
Were you running any defensive macros etc?
Anything else I have missed?
I would really like to understand whether this in fact can be mitigated with a reasonable chance of success if a person takes the right steps and has a reasonable template. I thinkit can be but I am giving you the benefit of the doubt that you had taken these steps and still ended up on the floor.
Message Edited by Skabik on 07-03-2005 05:58 AM
Message Edited by Actairr on 07-03-2005 06:07 AM
ill bring this up on dev forum maybe we can get a BH nerf WOOT!!!
DeaDKennedys wrote:ill bring this up on dev forum maybe we can get a BH nerf WOOT!!!
rofl, yea nerf them BHs. What are they thinking using that SMUGGLER skill rofl.
aatc wrote:
So your cheating your grind on the bug spawn.. And expect us to care when you shout exploit?
Nope, I expected a few reasonable peope with good points and some uunreasonable people with no points, your the latter.
Besides not only jedi grind there, lol. The bugged spawn rate is not a jedi special.So dont point your crooked finger at jedi.
Smugglers dont need to exploit LD .
BH just found a way to exploit thelargest damage output special. Now you cry cuz it gets attention.
Message Edited by timit on 07-03-2005 10:53 AM
timit wrote:
aatc wrote:
So your cheating your grind on the bug spawn.. And expect us to care when you shout exploit?
Nope, I expected a few reasonable peope with good points and some uunreasonable people with no points, your the latter.
Besides not only jedi grind there, lol. The bugged spawn rate is not a jedi special.So dont point your crooked finger at jedi.
Smugglers dont need to exploit LD .
BH just found a way to exploit thelargest damage output special. Now you cry cuz it gets attention.
Message Edited by timit on 07-03-2005 10:53 AM
Gillik wrote:Listen. There are enough good, legitimate bh templates out there that bhs shouldn't be THAT cheap and go Smuggler just for last ditch.
In the end their going to get Last Ditch nerfed and then leave Smuggler for a new template. Totally ruining a good Smuggler skill. It is a blatent slap in legitamite Smugglers faces for bhs to abuse one of their techniques to the point of where the Devs will be forced to nerf, just so they can have a few easy kills.
And dont say it wont happen. All the jedi that went Defender for AI can tell you that they will nerf something if it starts getting abused.
QFE
And whoever said using Last Ditch during a fight when the BH is close to being incapped, but the Jedi healed up full: This is _not_ a one-shot incap, it is intended use of the skill. It would be used during a fight, well towards the end of that fight. Not comparable to the scenario of LD being used as an opening move.
To another poster: No, I dont want to take the first strike ability from BHs, I want to take the ability to use LD as an opening move in a BH vs. Jedi fight away. The statement saying there are several ways to counter LD, defensive and offensive, were meant as preparation for the next sentence, they were not meant to say Jedi should be able to use offensive counter-attacks before a BH even attacks. I was referring to using KD when the BH gets closer to 0 health after the fight has been going for quite some time, for example.
Actairr wrote:
Isnt this a smuggler skill? Go there and post this since it is their skill.Message Edited by Actairr on 07-03-2005 06:07 AM
As pointed out several times: The problem is not the special itself, the problem is using the special as an opening move.
This can only be done by BHs, any non-BH smuggler has to be Special Forces to use LD on another player, and I doubt anybody would try to get artificially low health while under enemy fire.
This is why this discussion belongs in the BH boards - it only is about BHs using a special in a certain way, not about the special in general.
Eskie wrote:
Actairr wrote:
Isnt this a smuggler skill? Go there and post this since it is their skill.Message Edited by Actairr on 07-03-2005 06:07 AM
As pointed out several times: The problem is not the special itself, the problem is using the special as an opening move.
This can only be done by BHs, any non-BH smuggler has to be Special Forces to use LD on another player, and I doubt anybody would try to get artificially low health while under enemy fire.
This is why this discussion belongs in the BH boards - it only is about BHs using a special in a certain way, not about the special in general.
LOL, well it is a smuggler move and if you want it changed/fixed whatever you call it then you should take it there. Taking it here is only gonna lead to a long boring flame fest. Bottom line is there is no way to say that some one can/cannot use a skill that they have as the first attack. LOL, this is just silly. Stupid jedi.
BTW I am a jedi and a BH.